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Cheers for that link. My mum's a health psych and is encouraging me to do it.
I'm 30 soon, if I was younger I'm sure I wouldn't have worried so much. Although I guess we will have experience and wisdom on our side now!
I've just turned 30 and will be sitting the GAMSAT in Sept. I doubt I'll pass 1st or potentially even 2nd time as I've zero science background. But its something I've wanted to do and regretting not trying would eat me up. Think about it this way. When qualified you will effectively practice for as long as you've been in this world. Thats a long time doing something you will love. That's my reasoning behind it
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sReq | uTeK wrote: »I've just turned 30 and will be sitting the GAMSAT in Sept. I doubt I'll pass 1st or potentially even 2nd time as I've zero science background. But its something I've wanted to do and regretting not trying would eat me up. Think about it this way. When qualified you will effectively practice for as long as you've been in this world. Thats a long time doing something you will love. That's my reasoning behind it
How do you know you will "love" it? Do you realise the long hours they work for very mediocre pay? You won't see much of your family/friends. You won't have much time for social/family gatherings. You literally live in the 'job'. Be prepared to have no life outside of the hospital wards.0 -
GeneralC are you a doctor? Junior doctor? Medical student? I hope I'm wrong but your comment sounds a little 'rain on the parade' to people on the forum who are currently anxious/excited about the possibility of embarking on a new course/career, many of whom, I think I'm correct in assuming have wanted this for a long time.
I also think that people who do attempt and study; especially 'graduate' medicine do not go in with their eyes closed. They do their research, they know what the job entails and how much work and sacrifice goes in to being successful, and surely they are the type of doctors we all want; those that actually want to be there. People wouldn't put themselves through the hardship, stress, financial or otherwise unless they really wanted it and felt that they would indeed 'love it'. And just in my opinion, going into it with such a positive outlook really is half the battle. Best of luck everyone awaiting an offer, congrats on getting through the gamsat, and those who didn't don't give up 0 -
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Firstly, have a look back over GeneralC's past posts on boards. (a fellow GAMSAT/GEM hopeful)
Secondly, objections J.mcfrmd makes regarding the HSE are not without their merit however that is the HSE and not doctors.
Putting the first two points to the side, i simply cant draw a parallel with the perspectives of J.mcfrmd or GeneralC's. GEM threads are, unfortunately, full of them and such are myopic.
People talk as if doctors are the only college graduates, working hard, completing long hours for seemingly little pay and under bad management.
During my mid twenties i was working two jobs. Both of which were high responsibility. Completed on average 60 hours a week and frequently 70+ in busy periods. Now in my later twenties i am only working one job and frequently do 55 hour weeks. Was i always paid "appropriately", no! Did i see my friends and family frequently, no! Did i always have great management, no!
So i hear some of you saying why am i/why did i do that....the answer is simple... because i liked what i was doing, i liked how i was contributing value to those around and me, because i was passionate about what i was doing. (If u dont understand that or think i am crazy, then i cant help you)
Was i stressed or under pressure, yes! But that stress, was for the most part positive and motivational, and as i highlighted in an earlier post, it has been empirically shown that stress, in and of itself, is not a problem. How we engage with stress is the problem (learn more here https://youtu.be/RcGyVTAoXEU )
If ur focus in life is money and prestige with comfortable hours....then stop looking at medicine as a job!! This is looking at a job for what it gives you...and you will be let down.
If you are looking at medicine thinking what you can give and why you want to give it...then u are off to a good start!
I think too many people are looking at medicine for the wrong reason and thats where the conversation should focus and not on it being a tough job...there are loads of tough jobs out there. Sure the HSE needs to get its act together but at the same time some doctors should question why they are doing the job they are doing. And, as i said, folks who hope to become doctors should question their motives for getting into the profession...not only wondering what the profession will give the.
Over the course of my gamsat/gem journey i have read so much focusing on the hours, pay and hse management. This is working condition, this is some of "what" the job gives. And while important it is not the only point, at least not to me.
So, can well intended people please stop hijacking good threads evangelising the negative aspects of "what" the profession offers (because the same is true of so many professions)
The conversation, if any, that needs greater awearness is "why" people enter the profession.
To close my rant, i acknowledged it as such, i will paraphrase Alan Greenspan...I know you think you understand what you thought I wrote but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant... that is to say, if i have communicated poorly then please give me the benefit of the doubt.
Suffice it to say, i, like many, want a job that pays me correctly. I, like many, want good working conditions. i, like many, want a good work life balance....whatever that means to each of us. I, like many, hope to create meaning and value in the life of others and myself. And i, like many, see the the difficulties within the irish medical sector (As in other sectors). yet, no matter how much i might attempt to dissuade myself or consider other professions or ways of life (lets face it, medicine is a way of life) ....medicine is all that comes to mind and it wont go away. And it hasn't for ten years!! For that, and a myriad of other resson (some of which i dont even yet know), is "why" i want to study and practice medicine!0 -
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Firstly, have a look back over GeneralC's past posts on boards.
Secondly, objections J.mcfrmd makes regarding the HSE are not without their merit however that is the HSE and not doctors.
Putting the first two points to the side, i simply cant draw a parallel with the perspectives of J.mcfrmd or GeneralC's. GEM threads are, unfortunately, full of them and such are myopic.
People talk as if doctors are the only college graduates, working hard, completing long hours for seemingly little pay and under bad management.
During my mid twenties i was working two jobs. Both of which were high responsibility. Completed on average 60 hours a week and frequently 70+ in busy periods. Now in my later twenties i am only working one job and frequently do 55 hour weeks. Was i always paid "appropriately", no! Did i see my friends and family frequently, no! Did i always have great management, no!
So i hear some of you saying why am i/why did i do that....the answer is simple... because i liked what i was doing, i liked how i was contributing value to those around and me, because i was passionate about what i was doing. (If u dont understand that or think i am crazy, then i cant help you)
Was i stressed or under pressure, yes! But that stress, was for the most part positive and motivational, and as i highlighted in an earlier post, it has been empirically shown that stress, in and of itself, is not a problem. How we engage with stress is the problem (learn more here https://youtu.be/RcGyVTAoXEU )
If ur focus in life is money and prestige with comfortable hours....then stop looking at medicine as a job!! This is looking at a job for what it gives you...and you will be let down.
If you are looking at medicine thinking what you can give and why you want to give it...then u are off to a good start!
I think too many people are looking at medicine for the wrong reason and thats where the conversation should focus and not on it being a tough job...there a loads of tough jobs out there. Sure the HSE needs to get its act together but at the same time some doctors should question why they are doing the job they are doing. And, as i said, perspective doctors should question their motives for getting in to the profession...not wondering what the profession will give the.
Over the course of my gamsat/gem journey i have read so much focusing on the hours, pay and hse management. This is working condition, this is some of "what" the job gives. And while important it is not the central point, at least not to me.
So, can well intended people please stop hijacking good threads evangelising the negative aspects of "what" the profession offers (because the same is true of so many professions)
The conversation, if any, that needs greater awearness is "why" people enter the profession.
To close my rant, i acknowledged it as such, i will paraphrase Alan Greenspan...I know you think you understand what you thought I wrote but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant... that is to say, if i have communicated poorly then please give me the benefit of the doubt.
Suffice it to say, i, like many, want a job that pays me correctly. I, like many, want good working conditions. i, like many, want a good work life balance....whatever that means to each of us. I, like many, hope to create meaning and value in the life of others and myself. And i like see the the difficulties within the irish medical sector (As in other sectors). yet, no matter how much i attempt to dissuade myself or consider other professions or ways of life (lets face it, medicine is a way of life) ....medicine is all that comes to mind and it wont go away. And it hasn't for ten years!! For that, and a myriad of other resson (some of which i dont even yet know), is "why" i want to study and practice medicine!
Durf apologies, I posted my reply before seeing your comment! Also, well said 0 -
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Firstly, have a look back over GeneralC's past posts on boards.
Secondly, objections J.mcfrmd makes regarding the HSE are not without their merit however that is the HSE and not doctors.
Putting the first two points to the side, i simply cant draw a parallel with the perspectives of J.mcfrmd or GeneralC's. GEM threads are, unfortunately, full of them and such are myopic.
People talk as if doctors are the only college graduates, working hard, completing long hours for seemingly little pay and under bad management.
During my mid twenties i was working two jobs. Both of which were high responsibility. Completed on average 60 hours a week and frequently 70+ in busy periods. Now in my later twenties i am only working one job and frequently do 55 hour weeks. Was i always paid "appropriately", no! Did i see my friends and family frequently, no! Did i always have great management, no!
So i hear some of you saying why am i/why did i do that....the answer is simple... because i liked what i was doing, i liked how i was contributing value to those around and me, because i was passionate about what i was doing. (If u dont understand that or think i am crazy, then i cant help you)
Was i stressed or under pressure, yes! But that stress, was for the most part positive and motivational, and as i highlighted in an earlier post, it has been empirically shown that stress, in and of itself, is not a problem. How we engage with stress is the problem (learn more here https://youtu.be/RcGyVTAoXEU )
If ur focus in life is money and prestige with comfortable hours....then stop looking at medicine as a job!! This is looking at a job for what it gives you...and you will be let down.
If you are looking at medicine thinking what you can give and why you want to give it...then u are off to a good start!
I think too many people are looking at medicine for the wrong reason and thats where the conversation should focus and not on it being a tough job...there are loads of tough jobs out there. Sure the HSE needs to get its act together but at the same time some doctors should question why they are doing the job they are doing. And, as i said, folks who hope to become doctors should question their motives for getting into the profession...not only wondering what the profession will give the.
Over the course of my gamsat/gem journey i have read so much focusing on the hours, pay and hse management. This is working condition, this is some of "what" the job gives. And while important it is not the only point, at least not to me.
So, can well intended people please stop hijacking good threads evangelising the negative aspects of "what" the profession offers (because the same is true of so many professions)
The conversation, if any, that needs greater awearness is "why" people enter the profession.
To close my rant, i acknowledged it as such, i will paraphrase Alan Greenspan...I know you think you understand what you thought I wrote but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant... that is to say, if i have communicated poorly then please give me the benefit of the doubt.
Suffice it to say, i, like many, want a job that pays me correctly. I, like many, want good working conditions. i, like many, want a good work life balance....whatever that means to each of us. I, like many, hope to create meaning and value in the life of others and myself. And i, like many, see the the difficulties within the irish medical sector (As in other sectors). yet, no matter how much i might attempt to dissuade myself or consider other professions or ways of life (lets face it, medicine is a way of life) ....medicine is all that comes to mind and it wont go away. And it hasn't for ten years!! For that, and a myriad of other resson (some of which i dont even yet know), is "why" i want to study and practice medicine!
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