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Silk Road Founder, Ross Ulbricht, Gets Life In Prison Without Parole

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    #62
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What personal comment ?

    Yes your comment

    This from the man who knows the "truth"


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    #63
    darkpagandeath
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    renegademaster wrote: »
    Yes your comment

    This from the man who knows the "truth"
    Would this be from some guy claiming he knows the "TRUTH" ?

    I apologise if you took it that way. It was a broad sweeping statement on Bloggers/YT/CT people who claim to know the "TRUTH". And not directed at you.


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    #64
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I apologise if you took it that way. It was a broad sweeping statement on Bloggers/YT/CT people who claim to know the "TRUTH". And not directed at you.

    Ok, I thought it was in reference to a previous post I made before. Lets just say people may know a lot but for one reason or another can't be posting on public forums about it


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    #65
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Life in prison without parole is insanity! Child abusers don't even get that. Nice message - "Selling drugs, which people want and which most people won't end up dying from/addicted to = worse than child abuse".


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    #66
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Life in prison without parole is insanity! Child abusers don't even get that. Nice message - "Selling drugs, which people want and which most people won't end up dying from/addicted to = worse than child abuse".

    Quite literally, this the same country that gives no jail time to a lad who rapes his 3 year old daughter.

    Even the people in the kids-for-cash scandal (judge taking brown envelopes from private prisons to lock up teens) will be eligible for parole.

    Bizarre yard stick used for sentencing, completely out of sync with harm caused.


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    #67
    Cold War Kid
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    I don't object to him facing consequences when he broke the law, but the sentence is bizarrely disproportionate.


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    #68
    catallus
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    I don't object to him facing consequences when he broke the law, but the sentence is bizarrely disproportionate.

    And it will probably be reduced on appeal, but the Americans know the meaning of Justice so hopefully this guy might be able to apply for parole sometime in the 2050's.


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    #69
    joe swanson
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    This country could learn a lot from the American sentencing system. Too one side in favour of the criminal


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    #70
    Digital Solitude
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    joe swanson wrote: »
    This country could learn a lot from the American sentencing system. Too one side in favour of the criminal

    By making a show of a petty criminal? Comparing this case to the Irish justice system is nonsense


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    #71
    IamtheWalrus
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    uch wrote: »
    Listen D, I'm not an expert either, I was just targeted when I was a kid, so i'm only talking from my experience, I'm sure everyone else has a different story, I was lucky, I'm clean from gear for years, and drug free for about 2, so I'm not the be all and end all.

    I'd be interested in you doing a Boards 'AMA', if one exists.


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    #72
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    joe swanson wrote: »
    This country could learn a lot from the American sentencing system. Too one side in favour of the criminal

    The American system is rotten to the core, it's a vengeance and 'for profit' system which in itself is absurd. Not to mention the whole 3 strikes insanity, or the too many to count instances of them letting off their own (cops murdering people etc). Its utterly inconsistent.
    Ours might not be perfect but it's vastly superior to theirs.


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    #73
    Cold War Kid
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    uch wrote: »
    Look I've never made a secret of my problems, I am what you'd call a recovering addict, i'm off the gear 13 years, but then I had problems with sleeping pills for another 6 years or so, then pain killers, then whatever else I could get, I still drink Beer, but don't smoke, I had to give up smoking when I gave up weed and hash, but to compare tobacco and alcohol to what these cúnts were peddling is a bit naive in my opinion and there's no comparison
    I wouldn't compare tobacco (although it does cause cancer) but I would compare alcohol. There are alcoholics out there on the streets who aren't dissimilar to heroin addicts. Look at what alcohol addiction does to homes and communities and society at large.
    You're not being consistent in your view that this guy deserves such a severe punishment. To be consistent, you'd have the same view in relation to those who sell alcohol - and even pharmacists and doctors, when you had a dependency on prescribed drugs. What he did was illegal though, so it is only correct that he face consequences and certainly for the site to be shut down (he is an idiot to think he could have gotten away with it IMO) so I do think he was wrong, but a life sentence: just think of the murderers and child abusers who don't even get that.
    Lots of people choose to take drugs responsibly, just like lots of people drink responsibly and most don't develop an addiction. Addicts, while many of them were led down that dark path at a vulnerable stage in their life, shouldn't get to set the agenda for everyone else IMO - personal responsibility and choice does have to come into it. The same goes for alcoholics.
    If heroin was no longer illegal, those who do become addicted (and this can never be eliminated unfortunately) would at least not be risking putting contaminated filth in themselves, there could be more regulation, more sanitary conditions, limits on what could be sold each time.
    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Did the lad that facilitated child porn server hosting not try the "I only supplied the infrastructure". Amazing no one is defending him..
    Not seeing any criticism of him on this thread either - probably because it's a different case. Violation of children isn't a fair comparison.


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    #74
    darkpagandeath
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    I wouldn't compare tobacco (although it does cause cancer) but I would compare alcohol. There are alcoholics out there on the streets who aren't dissimilar to heroin addicts.
    You're not being consistent in your view that this guy deserves such a severe punishment. To be consistent, you'd have the same view in relation to those who sell alcohol - and even pharmacists, when you had a dependency on prescribed drugs. What he did was illegal though, so it is only correct that he face consequences, but a life sentence: just think of the murderers and child abusers who don't even get that.
    Lots of people choose to take drugs responsibly. Addicts, while many of them were led down that dark path at a vulnerable stage in their life, shouldn't get to set the agenda for everyone else - personal responsibility and choice does have to come into it. The same goes for alcoholics.

    Not seeing any criticism of him on this thread either - probably because it's a different case. Violation of children isn't a fair comparison.

    It's still hosting illegal activity that's my point.


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    #75
    corner of hells
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    I wouldn't compare tobacco (although it does cause cancer) but I would compare alcohol. There are alcoholics out there on the streets who aren't dissimilar to heroin addicts.
    You're not being consistent in your view that this guy deserves such a severe punishment. To be consistent, you'd have the same view in relation to those who sell alcohol - and even pharmacists, when you had a dependency on prescribed drugs. What he did was illegal though, so it is only correct that he face consequences, but a life sentence: just think of the murderers and child abusers who don't even get that.
    Lots of people choose to take drugs responsibly. Addicts, while many of them were led down that dark path at a vulnerable stage in their life, shouldn't get to set the agenda for everyone else - personal responsibility and choice does have to come into it. The same goes for alcoholics.

    Not seeing any criticism of him on this thread either - probably because it's a different case. Violation of children isn't a fair comparison.


    The difference is we have in comparison to alcoholics or people dependent on alcohol we have a tiny amount heroin addicts .The figure quoted for addicts including those stabilised on methadone , detoxing and using heroin is around 24000 nationwide, with most confined to particular areas.

    Alcohol abuse , dependency , alcoholism is much more abundant with a guess by some treatment agencies of around 1 in 10 people dealing with alcoholism.

    I work in homeless services and much more are opiate addicts or polydrug addicts than alcoholics.


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    #76
    Batgurl
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    He was a skag dealer on a monumental scale.

    The $14m in commission accrued suggests less than altruistic intents.

    Have you done any research on him at all?!? Skag dealer??? $14m??? Less than altruistic intents??? When arrested he was living in a house share with 5 guys. Using a public library. He didn't own a fancy car, or a mansion or display any form of wealth or indulgence.

    Truth is he is an intelligent guy who had a utopian idea. As with the best laid plans, it got out of control. It grew larger than he could ever have imagined. Other people began controlling it. It spiralled.

    Ross is not a bad guy. Yes he made bad decisions. Punish him for those. But life without parole is not a sentence fit for the crime.


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    #77
    dissed doc
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    He cut out the middleman (government). That is a big no-no.

    UK and US work like this: if a person is the victim, it is fair game. If the state is the victim, you will be severely punished. This is why people go to jail for minor offences like television licenses or speeding, etc.,. But stab someone? Slap on the wrist.


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    #78
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    It's still hosting illegal activity that's my point.
    Well I think while that's true, the reason he would face more criticism is because what he was hosting was something that enabled abuse and violation of children rather than offering a choice to consenting adults.


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    #79
    darkpagandeath
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Well I think while that's true, the reason he would face more criticism is because what he was hosting was something that enabled abuse and violation of children rather than offering a choice to consenting adults.

    You could get anything on there.


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    #80
    catallus
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    "In handing down [the] sentence, Judge Forrest told Mr. Ulbricht that “what you did in connection with Silk Road was terribly destructive to our social fabric.”
    " “What you did was unprecedented,” she told Mr. Ulbricht, “and in breaking that ground as the first person,” he had to pay the consequences. Anyone who might consider doing something similar, the judge added, needed to understand clearly “and without equivocation that if you break the law this way, there will be very serious consequences.”"
    "[T]he judge added: “There must be no doubt that no one is above the law, no matter the education or the privileges. All stand equal before the law. There must be no doubt that you cannot run a massive criminal enterprise and, because it occurred over the Internet, minimize the crime committed on that basis.” She also ordered Mr. Ulbricht to forfeit $184 million. He showed no emotion as the life sentence was imposed."
    " [The Judge] dismissed the defense’s argument that because Silk Road had operated online, it was safer than traditional street-level drug dealing. She described how Silk Road had expanded the market for drugs and the demand by users, and cited collateral damage, from the violence associated with drug production overseas to addiction, crime and the destruction of families. Silk Road, she said, was just “a step in the chain.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/nyregion/ross-ulbricht-creator-of-silk-road-website-is-sentenced-to-life-in-prison.html


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    #81
    Cold War Kid
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You could get anything on there.
    And you had a choice to log in and purchase or not to do so; nobody forced anyone.


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    #82
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You could get anything on there.

    No you couldn't. If you are suggesting anything to do with the exploitation of children was allowed on that site/market you are 100% incorrect.

    Read about it.


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    #83
    identer
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    Actually do think life is meant for murderer alone.... So since the menu seems to be for everyone, what about corrupt government official?...they make me sick


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    #84
    Icepick
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    uch wrote: »
    to compare tobacco and alcohol to what these cúnts were peddling is a bit naive in my opinion and there's no comparison
    true, alcohol and tobacco are much worse


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    #85
    catallus
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    I think you could get drink and fags on the Silk Rd.


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    #86
    Cold War Kid
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    Icepick wrote: »
    true, alcohol and tobacco are much worse
    Not worse than heroin or crack or meth IMO.


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    #87
    My name is URL
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    Batgurl wrote: »
    But to deny a guy parole? He set up a website. That's it. This bull**** about having people killed-no evidence of any deaths.

    He wasn't accused of murder, he was accused of soliciting murder, and there's plenty of evidence that he is guilty of that.
    He proved quite ruthless in seeking to protect his illegal empire, attempting on multiple occasions to solicit murders for hire in order to deal with perceived threats to his operation. At trial, the Government introduced evidence of five of those attempted murders-for-hire. (GX-936). As the Government made clear, no one, thankfully, was actually killed as a result of Ulbricht’s actions; the “hitman” involved in these five attempts appears to have been a conman.

    But – contrary to Ulbricht’s absurd suggestion in his sentencing submission that these murder-for-hire attempts were mere “masquerade” or “role-playing,” (Def.’s Ltr. dated May 22, 2015, at 37) – Ulbricht clearly believed that all of the murders were real and intended for them to occur. He paid for them with $650,000 in Bitcoins – transferred directly from a Bitcoin wallet on his laptop. He coldly noted the arrangement and execution of the murders-for-hire in entries in his “log” file on his computer.

    Fcuk him.


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    #88
    DoYouEvenLift
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Not worse than heroin or crack or meth IMO.


    It'd almost be up there because of how damaging it actually is combined with how easily obtained it is, it's way too easy for even teenagers to get it without even needing IDs in a lot of shops and even parents condoning 15/16 year olds binge drinking regularly.


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    #89
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    He wasn't accused of murder, he was accused of soliciting murder, and there's plenty of evidence that he is guilty of that.



    Fcuk him.

    And the DEA agents that set him for those are now going to jail themselves.

    There is a reason he wasn't charged with any of those accusations. The whole thing was orchestrated by the authorities, it's filthy.


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    #90
    catallus
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    nm wrote: »
    And the DEA agents that set him for those are now going to jail themselves.

    There is a reason he wasn't charged with any of those accusations. The whole thing was orchestrated by the authorities, it's filthy.

    How is any of the stuff in that link even tangentially related to Ross Ulbricht?


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    Icepick
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Not worse than heroin or crack or meth IMO.
    You are wrong


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