RTE 1 HD on Sky box

bbability · 08-10-2014 5:13pm #1

Is there any sign of RTE 1 HD coming on stream on Sky platform

ftakeith · 08-10-2014 5:19pm

its on saorview

why on sky for love hate

I have sky but I have rte1hd through saorview

irishgeo · 08-10-2014 8:09pm

bbability wrote: »

Is there any sign of RTE 1 HD coming on stream on Sky platform

the rte transponder is full so it cant launch.

bjp1967 · 09-10-2014 9:57am

irishgeo wrote: »

the rte transponder is full so it cant launch.

"Seriously!!!!

lertsnim · 09-10-2014 11:41am

If Sky want it then I guess Sky will have to find room for it on another transponder. There is no way that RTE should be footing the bill.

irishgeo · 09-10-2014 7:39pm

lertsnim wrote: »

If Sky want it then I guess Sky will have to find room for it on another transponder. There is no way that RTE should be footing the bill.

i think sky covered the cost of the first transponder.

lertsnim · 09-10-2014 9:55pm

irishgeo wrote: »

i think sky covered the cost of the first transponder.

They did and they should cover the cost of the second one too.

decor58 · 12-10-2014 12:53pm

why is rte news now not on sky, there is room for improvement on the service but I am sure it would be welcome by irish community abroad, no copyright issues.

JDxtra · 12-10-2014 5:42pm

Hardball between RTE and Sky. The loser is the viewer.

pegasus1 · 20-10-2014 5:06am

Aren't sky launching a new satellite in the next couple of months as an upgrade to the existing one..so that will have room for rte1hd as well as utv ireland hd..

Mayo Yid · 20-10-2014 7:22am

pegasus1 wrote: »

Aren't sky launching a new satellite in the next couple of months as an upgrade to the existing one..so that will have room for rte1hd as well as utv ireland hd..

You don't understand, the problem isn't that the satellite is full, it's that the transponder carrying Irish channels is full. Each transponder (and there is over 100 of them) has a limited amount of bandwidth. RTE One HD would need to be carried on another transponder, meaning they would have to pay or do a deal for two. See, scroll down to the third one, 10744.00

http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php

The Irish channels are already on a new satellite, Astra 2e, only launched last year.

20-10-2014 10:40am

Does that mean that UTV Ireland will go on the transponder where the other ITV/UTV channels are?

pegasus1 · 20-10-2014 11:01am

There is enough space if they converted the transponder to s2 but thats not going to happen..

I thought i read somewhere that there was something going to happen in the next few months..

lertsnim · 20-10-2014 11:53am

pegasus1 wrote: »

Aren't sky launching a new satellite in the next couple of months as an upgrade to the existing one..so that will have room for rte1hd as well as utv ireland hd..

Sky don't own any satellites. They rent transponders from the likes of Astra.

pegasus1 · 20-10-2014 12:48pm

lertsnim wrote: »

Sky don't own any satellites. They rent transponders from the likes of Astra.

Astra are the satellites owned and operated by SES..

Astra 2G is launching 4th quarter '14 which we are now in...

So maybe...

mad muffin · 23-10-2014 10:58am

I got an update yesterday to my box, where i can now send pictures from my phone to the box... still no rte 1 HD though :rolleyes:

pegasus1 · 23-10-2014 2:26pm

mad muffin wrote: »

I got an update yesterday to my box, where i can now send pictures from my phone to the box... still no rte 1 HD though :rolleyes:

what version box...

lucky you...

mad muffin · 23-10-2014 2:41pm

pegasus1 wrote: »

what version box...

lucky you...

I want to say 895. Is that right? The 500gb version or is it 890?

pegasus1 · 23-10-2014 2:57pm

we have the samsung 500gb one...it has a slow fit every few days then it speeds up again...epg software update wont make a difference to channel selection..
i wonder is rte holding back on putting rte1hd on the epg to get more saorview boxes sold....

scart · 23-10-2014 2:59pm

mad muffin wrote: »

I got an update yesterday to my box, where i can now send pictures from my phone to the box... still no rte 1 HD though :rolleyes:

Its a nice new feature.
Great for showing the relations all your holiday snaps:D

DRX-895 running R010.070.58.13P
IOS Sky+App Version 5.0

mad muffin · 23-10-2014 3:05pm

Yes, it is a nice feature. Except I have many other ways I can accomplish the same. The only way I will be able to watch rte 1 HD is through sky.

scart · 23-10-2014 3:17pm

mad muffin wrote: »

The only way I will be able to watch rte 1 HD is through sky.

Yeah same here.
Hopefully RTE/Sky can get this sorted soon with the launch of Astra 2G.

I have sent an e-mail to RTE and called their switchboard twice voicing my annoyance at not been able to receive RTE1HD on the Sky platform. I recommend other Sky customers do the same...

murpho999 · 24-10-2014 9:57am

scart wrote: »

Yeah same here.
Hopefully RTE/Sky can get this sorted soon with the launch of Astra 2G.

I have sent an e-mail to RTE and called their switchboard twice voicing my annoyance at not been able to receive RTE1HD on the Sky platform. I recommend other Sky customers do the same...

Who is responsible for this? Is it Sky or RTE?

I find this "transponder" issue hard to believe.

pegasus1 · 24-10-2014 10:20am

murpho999 wrote: »

Who is responsible for this? Is it Sky or RTE?

I find this "transponder" issue hard to believe.

search other threads...in short, sky paid for a transponder that rte and other irish channels use..its full at the moment..

imo rte are to blame...not paying for a transponder in the first place..

Kensington · 24-10-2014 10:25am

murpho999 wrote: »

Who is responsible for this? Is it Sky or RTE?

I find this "transponder" issue hard to believe.

Hard to say.

The only reason RTÉ is on Sky in the first place, is because Sky offered to cover the cost of transponder leasing, as well as providing EPG slots and carriage.
In turn, you need an active Sky subscription in order for the channels to clear, there is no Free-to-View option.

Presumably this was done because, at the time, Chorus/NTL had the huge advantage of carrying the Irish channels, as well as the BBCs, UTV, Ch4 etc. (which at the time were not FTA), and it was a big negative dragging sky's marketing drive down.

As it stands, I see the situation repeating, and we will only see RTÉ 1 HD on Sky when Sky feel that the cost of gifting a second transponder to RTÉ outweighs the loss of revenue from subscribers deflecting to other avenues/providers for RTÉ 1 HD (and any ancillary services that may launch). As it stands, all of the other main platform operators, SaorView, UPC and Eircom, carry RTÉ 1 HD.

If RTÉ were to go it alone on a second transponder at 28.2E, the cost would cripple them, a transponder lease costs multiple €100,000s per annum, on top of that there are EPG carriage fees, platform contribution costs and encryption fees payable to BSkyB for inclusion on the Sky service. Now, if 2rn could sublet the second transponder, e.g. to Setanta, 3e, TG4 HD, UTV Ireland, they might be able to subsidise it somewhat but the costs would still be enourmous compared to the nothing they currently pay under the Sky deal.

There is nothing on RTÉ 1 HD you cannot see on RTÉ 1 SD (save for the few hundred thousand pixels of course) so the cost is not justifiable to RTÉ just for a HD variant of an existing channel, and on a closed platform pay TV operator at that.

irishgeo · 24-10-2014 11:23am

Kensington wrote: »

Hard to say.

The only reason RTÉ is on Sky in the first place, is because Sky offered to cover the cost of transponder leasing, as well as providing EPG slots and carriage.
In turn, you need an active Sky subscription in order for the channels to clear, there is no Free-to-View option.

Presumably this was done because, at the time, Chorus/NTL had the huge advantage of carrying the Irish channels, as well as the BBCs, UTV, Ch4 etc. (which at the time were not FTA), and it was a big negative dragging sky's marketing drive down.

As it stands, I see the situation repeating, and we will only see RTÉ 1 HD on Sky when Sky feel that the cost of gifting a second transponder to RTÉ outweighs the loss of revenue from subscribers deflecting to other avenues/providers for RTÉ 1 HD (and any ancillary services that may launch). As it stands, all of the other main platform operators, SaorView, UPC and Eircom, carry RTÉ 1 HD.

If RTÉ were to go it alone on a second transponder at 28.2E, the cost would cripple them, a transponder lease costs multiple €100,000s per annum, on top of that there are EPG carriage fees, platform contribution costs and encryption fees payable to BSkyB for inclusion on the Sky service. Now, if 2rn could sublet the second transponder, e.g. to Setanta, 3e, TG4 HD, UTV Ireland, they might be able to subsidise it somewhat but the costs would still be enourmous compared to the nothing they currently pay under the Sky deal.

There is nothing on RTÉ 1 HD you cannot see on RTÉ 1 SD (save for the few hundred thousand pixels of course) so the cost is not justifiable to RTÉ just for a HD variant of an existing channel, and on a closed platform pay TV operator at that.

Is it true HD or upscaled SD

Thurston? · 24-10-2014 11:45am

pegasus1 wrote: »

There is enough space if they converted the transponder to s2 but thats not going to happen..

Why do you think this wouldn't happen? Are there still so many old Sky boxes out there with subs?

channelsurfer2 · 24-10-2014 3:02pm

forgive my ignorance but surely if RTE1 HD is encrypted what difference does it make what transponder it is on? people in the UK are not going to get it so i think thats not much of an excuse. I presume only the SD version is a must carry station for Sky so the HD version dosent have the same status.

Kensington · 24-10-2014 3:38pm

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

forgive my ignorance but surely if RTE1 HD is encrypted what difference does it make what transponder it is on? people in the UK are not going to get it so i think thats not much of an excuse. I presume only the SD version is a must carry station for Sky so the HD version dosent have the same status.

Because if they went it alone, they'd have to pay the standard ratecard:
http://corporate.sky.com/documents/about-sky/policies/bskyb-and-sssl-published-price-list.pdf

Then rent transponder capacity from an existing leasing agent, and figure out how to get the channel feed to the teleport uplinking to that chosen transponder (primarily UK, France, Belgium).

RTÉ uplinks directly to the current transponder from Nutley Lane since all content on it can be muxed locally in Donnybrook.

Kensington · 24-10-2014 3:46pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Is it true HD or upscaled SD

Some native, remainder upscaled.

Kensington · 24-10-2014 3:52pm

Thurston? wrote: »

Why do you think this wouldn't happen? Are there still so many old Sky boxes out there with subs?

If Sky could switch every transponder to DVB-S2 with H.264 encoding they would do so in a heartbeat, all things being equal, it'd cut their current bandwidth usage by more than a half. There are still a considerable number of "non-HD" subscriber equipment (including a lot of multiroom installs), presumably too, a lot of broadcast equipment is only DVB-S MPEG-2 capable.

RTE 1 HD on Sky box

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