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Bus lanes do not close on bank holidays

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  • 22-04-2014 7:56am
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    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Just to note for future reference: Bus lanes do not close on bank holidays!


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    #2
    old_aussie
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    lol :)


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    martingriff
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    monument wrote: »
    Just to note for future reference: Bus lanes do not close on bank holidays!

    Were you caught or just some good advice.


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    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    martingriff wrote: »
    Were you caught or just some good advice.

    Just some good advice.


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    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    but where did you get this from? Its been discussed a few times but I have never seen anything to definitively say if it was ok or not? I have always used them on B/H's including yesterday, as it seems to be openly unclear.


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    bumper234
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    but where did you get this from? Its been discussed a few times but I have never seen anything to definitively say if it was ok or not? I have always used them on B/H's including yesterday, as it seems to be openly unclear.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/open-bus-lanes-on-bank-holidays-rejected-by-dcc-614887.html

    A proposal to open up Dublin's bus lanes on Bank Holidays has been rejected by the City Council over fears it could cause confusion, and traffic jams.


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    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    hmm...that does seem to clarify (if not in legal terms). Seems silly not to...how would the marathon be affected? what nonesense


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    corktina
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    I can't see the point in part -time bus lanes. If they are in force only during the busy times, why would they be needed for use by ordinary traffic at non-busy times?


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    bumper234
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    corktina wrote: »
    I can't see the point in part -time bus lanes. If they are in force only during the busy times, why would they be needed for use by ordinary traffic at non-busy times?

    I used one this morning at 6:45 you should have seen the looks i got from people when i passed them :)


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    SeanW
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    corktina wrote: »
    I can't see the point in part -time bus lanes. If they are in force only during the busy times, why would they be needed for use by ordinary traffic at non-busy times?
    A better question, that answers yours, is if they are only needed in peak times, why is the restriction needed in the off-peak times?


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    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    the ones that can be used between 10am and 12pm are the best! The looks you get are priceless! And it saves a lot of time in cross city travel


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    whomitconcerns
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    corktina wrote: »
    I can't see the point in part -time bus lanes. If they are in force only during the busy times, why would they be needed for use by ordinary traffic at non-busy times?

    Well to answer..Malahide road yesterday..maybe 20 cars at lights at the casino in marino. Bus lane empty on a bank holiday..I used it..saved me a few mins..so why not :) Even if it is only a notional gain.


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    corktina
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    Oh I do the same all the time, it's always worth reading those little plates. But I still wonder at the logic of part-time bus lanes.


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    Spook_ie
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    Well to answer..Malahide road yesterday..maybe 20 cars at lights at the casino in marino. Bus lane empty on a bank holiday..I used it..saved me a few mins..so why not :) Even if it is only a notional gain.

    So basicly you broke the law ( good law or not ) to get ahead by a "few" minutes?


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    whomitconcerns
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    So basicly you broke the law ( good law or not ) to get ahead by a "few" minutes?

    well thats the question in hand. There is no law clarifying this, and to be clear I never use the buslanes in hours of operation. Drives me mental when you see people indicating left for 2-300m in a bus lane on a Monday morning when the rest of us are queueing...

    The bank holiday situation is a legislative gray area.


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    Spook_ie
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    well thats the question in hand. There is no law clarifying this, and to be clear I never use the buslanes in hours of operation. Drives me mental when you see people indicating left for 2-300m in a bus lane on a Monday morning when the rest of us are queueing...

    The bank holiday situation is a legislative gray area.

    Not really if a BH Monday falls on a Monday then the hours of operation 7.00 -19.00 ( or whatever ) would still be on a Monday


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    GerardKeating
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Not really if a BH Monday falls on a Monday then the hours of operation 7.00 -19.00 ( or whatever ) would still be on a Monday

    I always thought Sunday rules applied on a bank holiday...


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    GerardKeating
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    SeanW wrote: »
    A better question, that answers yours, is if they are only needed in peak times, why is the restriction needed in the off-peak times?

    Most/All the 24/7 Bus lanes were formerly Hard shoulders, so would revert to that outside peak hours.

    Obviously contra flow lanes would always have to be 24/7


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    monument
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    but where did you get this from? Its been discussed a few times but I have never seen anything to definitively say if it was ok or not? I have always used them on B/H's including yesterday, as it seems to be openly unclear.

    Not sure what you think is unclear about the signs - there's no bank holiday expections on them! And that's back the law.

    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    well thats the question in hand. There is no law clarifying this, and to be clear I never use the buslanes in hours of operation. Drives me mental when you see people indicating left for 2-300m in a bus lane on a Monday morning when the rest of us are queueing...

    The bank holiday situation is a legislative gray area.

    The law is clear cut: There is no bank holiday expection.

    GerardKeating wrote: »
    I always thought Sunday rules applied on a bank holiday...

    It does not.


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    seamus
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    GerardKeating wrote: »
    I always thought Sunday rules applied on a bank holiday...
    This is the popular perception. That because busses operate Sunday rules on a BH, then so too do bus lanes.
    But they don't.

    What about paid parking? It would be commonly believed that parking hours operate Sunday rules on a BH. Is this true, or is it just a de facto rule because clampers/warden don't operate on BH's?


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    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    monument wrote: »
    The law is clear cut: There is no bank holiday expection.

    You see I am not so sure here to be honest... I mean Dublin parking (pay and display) restrictions dont apply on bank holidays.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/Parking/pages/payanddisplay.aspx.

    So its not like its an completely unfounded assumption although I do take your point..and now am more wary of same...

    I think this could do with more clarity..and if definitely not allowed then it should be allowed.

    Buses are on a Sunday timetable so the rules and restrictions applying to them should be also.


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    whomitconcerns
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    Nice clear answer available in the UK
    http://mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=8245
    Answer by Ken Livingstone (2nd Term)
    Bus lane regulations apply at all times except where signs indicate otherwise. This means that if a bus lane's operational hours apply on, for example, a Monday, they will continue to apply even if that Monday happens to be a public holiday.The Highway Code stipulates that "you must not drive or stop in a bus lane during its hours of operation unless the signs indicate you may do so"


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    monument
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    You see I am not so sure here to be honest... I mean Dublin parking (pay and display) restrictions dont apply on bank holidays.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/Parking/pages/payanddisplay.aspx.

    So its not like its an completely unfounded assumption although I do take your point..and now am more wary of same...

    I think this could do with more clarity..and if definitely not allowed then it should be allowed.

    Buses are on a Sunday timetable so the rules and restrictions applying to them should be also.

    It's clear cut and it has nothing to do with the parking bylaws.

    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    and if definitely not allowed then it should be allowed.

    Buses are on a Sunday timetable so the rules and restrictions applying to them should be also.

    State bus companies are by far not the only users of bus lanes.

    And even with Dublin Bus etc we should be looking better bus services and more 24 hour bus lanes to support such.


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    AlekSmart
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    Nice clear answer available in the UK
    http://mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=8245

    Off outa that with you...we'll be havin none of that sort of stuff around here....! :(


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    No Pants
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    GerardKeating wrote: »
    I always thought Sunday rules applied on a bank holiday...
    No, that's just the timetable.


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    Qualitymark
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Not really if a BH Monday falls on a Monday then the hours of operation 7.00 -19.00 ( or whatever ) would still be on a Monday

    Umm, what day would a bank holiday Monday normally fall on!

    (It would be much clearer if bank holiday Mondays were treated as Sundays in re bus lanes, as they are in parking, bus schedules, shop opening hours, etc, etc.)


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    bikeman1
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    The bus lanes that are Monday - Saturday 07:00 - 19:00 for example are definitely a bus lane on Public Holidays that are between those days times as Monument has said. There is no ambiguity with it.

    Also the College Green "Blockade" still operates on Bank Holiday Mondays. I have seen a guard patrolling it last year and all the signs were working advising such.

    Anyway traffic is usually so light you don't need / have the urge to use a bus lane.


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    Spook_ie
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    Qualitymark wrote: »
    Umm, what day would a bank holiday Monday normally fall on!

    Snipped
    Exactly it's a Monday not a Sunday


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    paddyland
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    SeanW wrote: »
    A better question, that answers yours, is if they are only needed in peak times, why is the restriction needed in the off-peak times?

    Bus drivers using bus lanes could really do without the added risks of cars cutting into their lane dangerously in front of them. Often, evenings, Sundays and bank holidays are just as congested or even moreso than weekdays, particularly with the rise in Sunday shopping, and rigid times of operation take no account of this.

    Besides, opening bus lanes to other traffic outside of peak hours simply turns roads into race tracks, inviting fast overtaking (or undertaking) in busy suburban areas.

    It's either a bus lane or it's not, and if it is, it should be 24/7, across the board. For safety, if nothing else.


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    HonalD
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    paddyland wrote: »
    Besides, opening bus lanes to other traffic outside of peak hours simply turns roads into race tracks, inviting fast overtaking (or undertaking) in busy suburban areas.

    It's either a bus lane or it's not, and if it is, it should be 24/7, across the board. For safety, if nothing else.

    I'll second that - especially at junctions where there is a "left only and bus ahead" marking, technically you can drive in the bus lane outside the hours on the signs but also you are breaking the law if you are not turning left.

    Just to clarify, the Regulations state that the information plate is what determines when the bus lane is in operation or not. Thanks.


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    sdanseo
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    the ones that can be used between 10am and 12pm are the best! The looks you get are priceless! And it saves a lot of time in cross city travel

    I take a sick pleasure in doing this. Drumcondra at 11am - sailing past kilometres of traffic at (roughly) 50km/h while they all sit there. Of course you always encounter the odd slow cretin in a taxi or bus that keeps stopping but the odd time, just the odd time, you get a clear run.

    I've done Malahide to Bolton Street in 17 minutes this way. In morning traffic. :D


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