Make money by not paying your fines

PizzamanIRL · 22-10-2012 7:08pm #1

Basically, a friend of my brother didn't pay a €2,500 fine and after all the threatening letters from solicitors he ended up in court, did a few hours in the Midlands and walked out with €1.40 from the daily prisoner wage thing.

The logic of our jusitice system amazes me.

So the moral of the story ladies and gents, don't pay your fines and save and make money. :cool:

donvito99 · 22-10-2012 7:09pm

That was the worst story I have ever read

PizzamanIRL · 22-10-2012 7:10pm

donvito99 wrote: »

That was the worst story I have ever read

I'm sorry I didn't throw in some imaginary unicorns and blue elephants to excite you.

HeyThereDeliah · 22-10-2012 7:12pm

Are you guaranteed to walk out after a few hours or do some people serve all the sentence?

juan.kerr · 22-10-2012 7:12pm

Was that €1.40 before or after tax?

lisaj · 22-10-2012 7:13pm

What about the criminal record and credit rating?

WoollyRedHat · 22-10-2012 7:14pm

lisaj wrote: »

What about the criminal record and credit rating?

They're just make believy things, like talking donkeys and witches.

im invisible · 22-10-2012 7:15pm

donvito99 wrote: »

That was the worst story I have ever read

still a better love story than twilight

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

I'm sorry I didn't throw in some imaginary unicorns and blue elephants to excite you.

needs more dragons

sdanseo · 22-10-2012 7:15pm

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Basically, a friend of my brother didn't pay a €2,500 fine and after all the threatening letters from solicitors he ended up in court, did a few hours in the Midlands and walked out with €1.40 from the daily prisoner wage thing, and a criminal record

Fixed your post there.

If you or he are over the moon, well for you. I wouldn't be.

MagicSean · 22-10-2012 7:32pm

http://www.thejournal.ie/legal-fines-pay-in-instalments-645535-Oct2012/

"The new rules, announced by justice minister Alan Shatter this afternoon, will give people 12 months to pay fines in instalments, with an added premium of 10 per cent – the first time that such an option has been offered.

However, the rules will also allow for the possibility that anyone who does not pay a fine can be brought back to court, which will be able to order that the fine be deducted from the person’s earnings."

You copped on a little late.

Pat Mustard · 22-10-2012 7:33pm

sdeire wrote: »

Fixed your post there.

From what the OP writes, it sounds like this guy didn't pay a civil judgment, refused to comply with a court order, and was imprisoned for that. If so, there wouldn't be any criminal record.

I assume that the OP's reference to a €2,500 fine should be a reference to a civil judgment instead.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, anybody.

MagicSean · 22-10-2012 7:35pm

The Mustard wrote: »

From what the OP writes, it sounds like this guy didn't pay a civil judgment, refused to comply with a court order, and was imprisoned for that. If so, there wouldn't be any criminal record.

I assume that the OP's reference to a €2,500 fine should be a reference to a civil judgment instead.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, anybody.

If that's the case then he still owes it.

Pat Mustard · 22-10-2012 7:46pm

MagicSean wrote: »

If that's the case then he still owes it.

Sdeire asserted that the guy also has a criminal record, which appears not to be the case.

Also, the article to which you linked appears to refer to enforcement of criminal fines. Will it also apply to civil judgments? (Not a rhetorical question, I genuinely do not know).

anniehoo · 22-10-2012 7:57pm

Prisoners get a wage?!! Is this for real?

:mad:

shed head · 22-10-2012 8:01pm

anniehoo wrote: »

Prisoners get a wage?!! Is this for real? :mad:

yes, it doesn't make sense for them leaving the slammer and mugging the nearest target!

PizzamanIRL · 22-10-2012 8:02pm

anniehoo wrote: »

Prisoners get a wage?!! Is this for real? :mad:

Yes, that's where some of the tax from your hard earned wages go. Straight to criminals that do feck all.

Pat Mustard · 22-10-2012 8:05pm

Prisoner gratuity scheme in the Irish Times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0427/breaking52.html

PizzamanIRL · 22-10-2012 8:08pm

shed head wrote: »

yes, it doesn't make sense for them leaving the slammer and mugging the nearest target!

They still leave practically broke because they spend it on shopping each week.

Pat Mustard · 22-10-2012 8:11pm

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

They still leave practically broke because they spend it on shopping each week.

Ya, they spend it in the prison shop. There's not much left after the price of a pack of fags.

Lollipops23 · 22-10-2012 8:17pm

So they get paid while they do their time??
I don't care that it's only pennies, that makes me sick. The whole point is that they're removed from society etc,not saving up for their week's shopping when they leave or whatever. It's not my problem that they've may have to start from scratch.

juan.kerr · 22-10-2012 8:20pm

In a few years scum bags who got suspended sentences will sue the state because they were denied the generous prison wages.

I wonder is it pensionable income...

uberalles · 22-10-2012 8:24pm

Did he not have someone to collect his scratcher for him while he was inside ?

Pat Mustard · 22-10-2012 8:24pm

juan.kerr wrote: »

I wonder is it pensionable income...

And sure, if it's pensionable, maybe they can retire somewhere sunny and enjoy the Irish pension benefits without the attendant weather.

weldoninhio · 22-10-2012 8:31pm

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Basically, a friend of my brother didn't pay a €2,500 fine and after all the threatening letters from solicitors he ended up in court, did a few hours in the Midlands and walked out with €1.40 from the daily prisoner wage thing.

The logic of our jusitice system amazes me.

So the moral of the story ladies and gents, don't pay your fines and save and make money. :cool:

So your brothers friend doesn't have a job and has refused to pay a fine?? Sounds like a gent.

PizzamanIRL · 22-10-2012 8:34pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

So your brothers friend doesn't have a job and has refused to pay a fine?? Sounds like a gent.

Since when was this thread about praising the person in question?

juan.kerr · 22-10-2012 8:34pm

The Mustard wrote: »

And sure, if it's pensionable, maybe they can retire somewhere sunny and enjoy the Irish pension benefits without the attendant weather.

You're not wrong, my friend.

M cebee · 22-10-2012 8:54pm

i know of a guy who made a nice profit in a similar way
right chancer but-he went down for non-payment .while in the cell his bed collapsed.he injured his back and got about 15k compo

Milk & Honey · 22-10-2012 11:33pm

The Mustard wrote: »

From what the OP writes, it sounds like this guy didn't pay a civil judgment, refused to comply with a court order, and was imprisoned for that. If so, there wouldn't be any criminal record.

I assume that the OP's reference to a €2,500 fine should be a reference to a civil judgment instead.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, anybody.

There is no imprisonment for non payment of a civil judgement. The only way there might be imprisonment is if there was a civil judgement and there was an instalment proces begun against him and he didn't co-operate with it and pay an instalment. In that case there would be imprisonment for contempt and he would not be let out after a few hours. It was much more likely to have been a 2.5k criminal fine. There is no effect on the criminal record. The imposition of the fine will have been preceded by a conviction. The imprisonment is in lieu of the fine and so makes no difference. His record will always read "convicted of x at y court and fined z".

ArtSmart · 22-10-2012 11:40pm

Milk & Honey wrote: »

There is no imprisonment for non payment of a civil judgement. The only way there might be imprisonment is if there was a civil judgement and there was an instalment proces begun against him and he didn't co-operate with it and pay an instalment. In that case there would be imprisonment for contempt and he would not be let out after a few hours. It was much more likely to have been a 2.5k criminal fine. There is no effect on the criminal record. The imposition of the fine will have been preceded by a conviction. The imprisonment is in lieu of the fine and so makes no difference. His record will always read "convicted of x at y court and fined z".

ok, suppose a guy owes the bank say, 6K. he's unemployed now and wont/ cant pay.

he doesnt go to court when eventually summoned. judge rules in favour of the bank in absentia . guy still refuse to pay.

what happens next?

ok, I'll give an answer from my understanding. According to Section 28 of the 1926 Act as amended by Section 6 of the 1940 Act a person can be sent to prison for 'willful neglect' to pay a debt after a court order - it doesnt distinguish between ability to pay and wilingness to pay. 35 people were incarcerated last year for non payment of debt.

The New Personal Solvency Bill doesnt seem to address that issue, but it might. (law soc recoms community service) but the bank , well, they aint happy.

What you describe as 'civil' most certainly becomes 'criminal' or as close as makes little difference - ie in terms of consequence.

Lapin · 23-10-2012 3:44am

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

I'm sorry I didn't throw in some imaginary unicorns and blue elephants to excite you.

If you threw in some genuine unicorns that would really be something !

Am Chile · 23-10-2012 4:26am

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Basically, a friend of my brother didn't pay a €2,500 fine and after all the threatening letters from solicitors he ended up in court, did a few hours in the Midlands and walked out with €1.40 from the daily prisoner wage thing.

The logic of our jusitice system amazes me.

So the moral of the story ladies and gents, don't pay your fines and save and make money. :cool:

Out of interest the fine he received what was it in relation to ?

Make money by not paying your fines

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