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World Snooker Championship 2012

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Setun


    Safe trip zack, I'm sure you're in for a treat seeing all the action live - you'll get your fill of drama, that's for sure.

    As an aside, from all the talk of rivalries and people giving out about each other, which players actually get on well with each other away from the snooker table? They mentioned the other day about Ryan Day and Matthew Stevens are good mates, must be strange playing against each other in a big tournament.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Daddio wrote: »
    Safe trip zack, I'm sure you're in for a treat seeing all the action live - you'll get your fill of drama, that's for sure.

    As an aside, from all the talk of rivalries and people giving out about each other, which players actually get on well with each other away from the snooker table? They mentioned the other day about Ryan Day and Matthew Stevens are good mates, must be strange playing against each other in a big tournament.

    Really looking forward to the weekend, always head over for the final w'end but this year i think it's going to be really special.

    Regarding rivalries, i did nearly 11 eleven years of travelling with Ken right up to 2003, and to be honest i dont go to many events anymore, married life, kids etc put a halt to that !!

    Then and even now the majority of players get on with each other, some socialise and go out for a drink or meal between tournaments, other just like their own company and hole up in the hotel room for the duration of the event and go through a box set of dvd's.

    When i travelled on the circuit i found it was always the same group who went out, you had Hendry, Doherty,O'Sullivan, Higgins, Hunter to name a few whilst other players would have a few pals travel with them and they did their own thing.

    Other players would travel on their own and more or less stay on their own, not because they did'nt get on with others i just think they preferred to be alone, Steve Davis was a prime example of that, but when you did get him out he was great fun.
    The only rivalries i ever saw was when we were away in Asia and there would be a midweek football match on, these were normally on around 3am and the hotel bar would be full because nobody could sleep with the time difference so there was always a few winds ups going on then.

    I have heard though that Trump likes to do his own thing and brings an entourage everywhere with him, i've never met him so i can't really say much, i know that Ken tends to socialise with his fellow commentators a lot more now when on duty with the BBC.

    It's strange alright when they play each other, you may have been out for a meal the previous evening together but then you see them play each other and the friendship is put aside and it's down to business. Afterwards though it's back to being pals again.

    With Day and Stevens that must have been partically hard, they are really good friends who practice together and see a lot of each other, yes you have a job to do but it must be hard to see your friend struggle and collapse as Day did yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    zack01 wrote: »
    Really looking forward to the weekend, always head over for the final w'end but this year i think it's going to be really special.

    Regarding rivalries, i did nearly 11 eleven years of travelling with Ken right up to 2003, and to be honest i dont go to many events anymore, married life, kids etc put a halt to that !!

    Then and even now the majority of players get on with each other, some socialise and go out for a drink or meal between tournaments, other just like their own company and hole up in the hotel room for the duration of the event and go through a box set of dvd's.

    When i travelled on the circuit i found it was always the same group who went out, you had Hendry, Doherty,O'Sullivan, Higgins, Hunter to name a few whilst other players would have a few pals travel with them and they did their own thing.

    Other players would travel on their own and more or less stay on their own, not because they did'nt get on with others i just think they preferred to be alone, Steve Davis was a prime example of that, but when you did get him out he was great fun.
    The only rivalries i ever saw was when we were away in Asia and there would be a midweek football match on, these were normally on around 3am and the hotel bar would be full because nobody could sleep with the time difference so there was always a few winds ups going on then.

    I have heard though that Trump likes to do his own thing and brings an entourage everywhere with him, i've never met him so i can't really say much, i know that Ken tends to socialise with his fellow commentators a lot more now when on duty with the BBC.

    It's strange alright when they play each other, you may have been out for a meal the previous evening together but then you see them play each other and the friendship is put aside and it's down to business. Afterwards though it's back to being pals again.

    With Day and Stevens that must have been partically hard, they are really good friends who practice together and see a lot of each other, yes you have a job to do but it must be hard to see your friend struggle and collapse as Day did yesterday.


    Very interesting stuff! Enjoy your trip. Would love to hear more stories of how your weekend goes :)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Enjoy, take some photos and share them with us, won't you? :D

    btw I now officially hate Thursday mornings. It's so boring! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Not a regular poster here but a lot of websites are blocked where I work so I have a favour to ask.

    I backed Matthew Stevens outright at 22/1 when he was 5-3 down to Barry Hawkins and again at 18/1 when he went 6-5 up. Just wondering what price he is now and what price the others are?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭markc1184


    Not a regular poster here but a lot of websites are blocked where I work so I have a favour to ask.

    I backed Matthew Stevens outright at 22/1 when he was 5-3 down to Barry Hawkins and again at 18/1 when he went 6-5 up. Just wondering what price he is now and what price the others are?

    O'Sullivan 4/7
    Maguire 11/4
    Carter 7/1
    Stevens 10/1

    All with Paddypower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Note to self : Tune in on time today otherwise you might just miss three frames again. Curse you O'Sullivan. *shakes fist*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    markc1184 wrote: »
    O'Sullivan 4/7
    Maguire 11/4
    Carter 7/1
    Stevens 10/1

    All with Paddypower.

    Cheers... just needs Stevens to win the first two or three frames and then lay it all off!!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    zack01 wrote: »
    Really looking forward to the weekend, always head over for the final w'end but this year i think it's going to be really special.

    Regarding rivalries, i did nearly 11 eleven years of travelling with Ken right up to 2003, and to be honest i dont go to many events anymore, married life, kids etc put a halt to that !!

    Then and even now the majority of players get on with each other, some socialise and go out for a drink or meal between tournaments, other just like their own company and hole up in the hotel room for the duration of the event and go through a box set of dvd's.

    When i travelled on the circuit i found it was always the same group who went out, you had Hendry, Doherty,O'Sullivan, Higgins, Hunter to name a few whilst other players would have a few pals travel with them and they did their own thing.

    Other players would travel on their own and more or less stay on their own, not because they did'nt get on with others i just think they preferred to be alone, Steve Davis was a prime example of that, but when you did get him out he was great fun.
    The only rivalries i ever saw was when we were away in Asia and there would be a midweek football match on, these were normally on around 3am and the hotel bar would be full because nobody could sleep with the time difference so there was always a few winds ups going on then.

    I have heard though that Trump likes to do his own thing and brings an entourage everywhere with him, i've never met him so i can't really say much, i know that Ken tends to socialise with his fellow commentators a lot more now when on duty with the BBC.

    It's strange alright when they play each other, you may have been out for a meal the previous evening together but then you see them play each other and the friendship is put aside and it's down to business. Afterwards though it's back to being pals again.

    With Day and Stevens that must have been partically hard, they are really good friends who practice together and see a lot of each other, yes you have a job to do but it must be hard to see your friend struggle and collapse as Day did yesterday.


    One of the nicest players I forgot to mention and he'd never forgive me is Joe Swail, an absolute diamond


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭deafroadrunner


    based on the last couple frames. carter to win


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭purple_hatstand


    Stephen looks like he could snap his cue in half at any moment...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭califano


    If a player at the table trails by 19pts and there is only 18pts on (blue,pink,black) but he miss counts and thinks he only needs the last 3 colours to win and pots the blue and pink and prepares for the black. Will the black be a scoring ball on that visit or will the ref call the frame to the opponent after he pots the pink seeing you cant play for snookers on the black?.

    I ask because bookies do points spreads under/over 101pts so wondering would the black be eligible to count as a scoring ball or not. I suspect not but im not sure the rule.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    If a player at the table trails by 19pts and there is only 18pts on (blue,pink,black) but he miss counts and thinks he only needs the last 3 colours to win and pots the blue and pink and prepares for the black. Will the black be a scoring ball on that visit or will the ref call the frame to the opponent after he pots the pink seeing you cant play for snookers on the black?.

    I ask because bookies do points spreads under/over 101pts so wondering would the black be eligible to count as a scoring ball or not. I suspect not but im not sure the rule.

    Great question, strictly speaking the frame is over if there is more than 7 pts in it on the black, therefore if the player reaches the black and is 8 behind the frame is over.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Quick question regarding an incident that happened yesterday in the Carter V Jones game. In one of the later frames Jones jawed the white ball leaving Carter snookered in the jaws of the pocket unable to hit the reds. It took him four or five efforts but he did eventually swerved the white to hit the red.

    I was wondering what would happen if Carter had absolutely no shot on ie if it was impossible to hit the red. Would he have to keep on trying, giving away fouls until his opponent had enough points to deem the frame over or would the ref give him some leeway seeing as there is no shot on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭califano


    Yeah ive often imagined the occurrence i suggested as a backer in a foxhole!.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Anyone remember this from several years ago? Confused the hell out of me at the time.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Well if you are counting points scored, well yes the points he accumulates are off course counted.
    No ruling states you cannot play on no matter what is left on the table, in some instances players who have been kept off the table will take the opportunity to get their arm going as such


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭deafroadrunner


    Jernal wrote: »
    Anyone remember this from several years ago? Confused the hell out of me at the time.


    i remember watching that match. vergo still using his fractions catchphrase :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭babymanval


    zack01 wrote: »
    One of the nicest players I forgot to mention and he'd never forgive me is Joe Swail, an absolute diamond

    Joe's a lovely fella. I got in a fight in a nightclub in Sheffield in 2002 for him when some geezer stuck the head on him for no reason because the fella's missus kept comin over and talkin to Joe!

    I may have been involved in a few hotel singsongs with you after hours man, does your name begin with an M? I was only a freshfaced 16-21 yo durin my snooker travellin days with Mick Judge.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    babymanval wrote: »
    Joe's a lovely fella. I got in a fight in a nightclub in Sheffield in 2002 for him when some geezer stuck the head on him for no reason because the fella's missus kept comin over and talkin to Joe!

    I may have been involved in a few hotel singsongs with you after hours man, does your name begin with an M? I was only a freshfaced 16-21 yo durin my snooker travellin days with Mick Judge.

    No not me but I know exactly who your talking about, he travelled with Ken after I retired in 2003!!
    He's since fallen out with Ken, says a lot about someone when you can fall out with Ken Doherty.
    No doubt we've met, pity Mick isnt on the tour anymore, very fond of Mick and a hell of a player to boot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Permabear wrote: »
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    So is it totally up to the referee to decide if the shot is impossible or not? Like if Carter had missed that shot say 20 times in a row yesterday would the ref keep on calling miss or would there be a point where he'd eventually say enough is enough.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Pighead wrote: »
    So is it totally up to the referee to decide if the shot is impossible or not? Like if Carter had missed that shot say 20 times in a row yesterday would the ref keep on calling miss or would there be a point where he'd eventually say enough is enough.

    He can keep calling a miss until the snookers required stage is reached or the other player sportingly doesn't take the miss or the refs deems it a fair attempt. These days though you really have to get out of the snooker for it not to be called such is the standard.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Ali wins a very mediocre first session 5-3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Lucutus


    Ali wins a very mediocre first session 5-3

    Thanks, can't watch today... work getting in the way...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Ali wins a very mediocre first session 5-3

    Maguire behind for the first time in the tournament, Carter played that session exactly how you do against a player like Maguire.


    PS
    Can anyone tell me how I can put photos up on this forum from my phone please


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭purple_hatstand


    Jernal wrote: »
    Anyone remember this from several years ago? Confused the hell out of me at the time.


    here's the post-match explanation from the ref...



    ...that 'loophole' has since been closed although the "foul & a miss" rule still seems a bit unknowable - somebody said in commentary the other day that after a 3rd unsuccessful attempt at the same shot (with a miss called), the frame would be forfeit and yet Ronnie had 9 goes at the same red in his 2nd-round match against Mark Williams...:confused::eek:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Enjoy, take some photos and share them with us, won't you? :D

    btw I now officially hate Thursday mornings. It's so boring! :p

    Can any one explain how i can upload to this forum from my phone?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Lucutus


    zack01 wrote: »
    Can any one explain how i can upload to this forum from my phone?

    Yes, you need to upload them somewhere on the web and then link to them. pix.ie is a handy site for that, also, I know photobucket has apps for android and ios.

    Then just link them in your post with the insert image icon insertimage.gif

    Detailed thread over here about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    zack01 wrote: »
    Can any one explain how i can upload to this forum from my phone?

    It'd be a slight bit awkward on Boards mobile. Depending on the phone you are using. You'd need an app to resize the photo as it would be massive, another to upload the photo to a host site (something like flickr), , and then just get the link of the photo and use the [IMG][/IMG] tags.

    Would be fantastic to see some, if you can figure out the handiest way for yourself.

    EDIT: If you have a twitter page, it would be really easy to share the photos with us!


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    zack01 wrote: »
    Can any one explain how i can upload to this forum from my phone?

    Sorry mate I'm a tech-idiot. I'd love to see some of your pics though...:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Permabear wrote: »
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    It's a tough rule to enforce sometimes, players are feeling that their integrity is being called into question sometimes, there was a vote last year to (a) change the rule slightly and (b) do away with the rule completely. The players voted to keep it and called on the referees to use their better judgement in these circumstances.

    I'm sure a lot of the lads on here remember shortly after it was introduced, Ken Doherty was playing Steve Davis in The Irish Masters in Goffs, at 4-4 Ken left Davis in the baulk area, Davis could see several reds but tried to clip the more difficult red and return the white to baulk. He missed twice, John Williams the referee warned him what would happen if he were to miss again, Davis played the same shot missed and the match was awarded to Doherty.
    The funny thing was hardly anybody in the audience knew what had just happened !!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    I was under the impression a miss could only be called if there was an easier escape for the player to take. Otherwise it was simply just a foul.:confused:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Could not agree more with you there. It's funny but one of the worst offenders was Willie Thorne, and he's one of the most critical of all the commentators. He was actually so well known for doing it that in clubs you would hear someone say 'you just played a Willie there' !


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    Jernal wrote: »
    I was under the impression a miss could only be called if there was an easier escape for the player to take. Otherwise it was simply just a foul.:confused:

    I remember a qualifying match in Preston years back, Tony Drago was on a 20 odd break he pot a red and trying to travel down table to track a green which was near a corner pocket, landed up stuck behind the blue. He nonimated green and duly missed it, the ref called a miss, the ball was put back, Drago tried again this time hitting the green and potting it, the ref respots the green an Drago continues his break!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭califano


    zack01 wrote: »
    I remember a qualifying match in Preston years back, Tony Drago was on a 20 odd break he pot a red and trying to travel down table to track a green which was near a corner pocket, landed up stuck behind the blue. He nonimated green and duly missed it, the ref called a miss, the ball was put back, Drago tried again this time hitting the green and potting it, the ref respots the green an Drago continues his break!!!

    lol who was the ref!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    lol who was the ref!?

    Don't understand really get the lol? The ref was 100% correct. Those were the rules. Even though Drago snookered himself, he broke the snooker and was able to continue his break if he potted the green. Even if it cost him 24 points accumulated through fouls he was entitled to continue the break if green was potted. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭califano


    Jernal wrote: »
    Don't understand really get the lol? The ref was 100% correct. Those were the rules. Even though Drago snookered himself, he broke the snooker and was able to continue his break if he potted the green. Even if it cost him 24 points accumulated through fouls he was entitled to continue the break if green was potted. :)

    Zack01 is this right!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Jack01 is this right!?

    No it's not. It's zack01.:pac:

    As for the other thing, I think it's right but yeah some confirmation or denial would be nice.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Is just me or is poor auld Rob Walker losing his enthusiasm and zeal? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭califano


    Jernal wrote: »
    Is just me or is poor auld Rob Walker losing his enthusiasm and zeal? :D

    Mad lookin dude that fella. Worzel Gummidges love child imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 JBarnes1986


    zack01 wrote: »
    No not me but I know exactly who your talking about, he travelled with Ken after I retired in 2003!!
    He's since fallen out with Ken, says a lot about someone when you can fall out with Ken Doherty.
    No doubt we've met, pity Mick isnt on the tour anymore, very fond of Mick and a hell of a player to boot.

    That's a shame.No one could carry a cue case like Mr.M.He was world class!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    First frame, a scrappy enough one with both players riding their luck with whites on the edge of pockets goes to O'Sullivan.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭zack01


    That's a shame.No one could carry a cue case like Mr.M.He was world class!!

    He was the standard bearer !!


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