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    #272
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Syferus wrote: »
    The GM keeps the owner happy, it doesn't work the other way round!

    The Jags have a very solid defence and an elite RB, improve the o-line and get a couple of receivers (re: draft) and the Jags will be a borderline play-off team. There's not a huge difference between the Broncos team at the moment and the Jags apart from receivers with actual potential.



    The GM is in charge of all personnel decisions, not the owner. If that was the case Smith wouldn't have a job. GM's keep owners happy by winning, not just by selling out stadiums.


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    #273
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    The GM is in charge of all personnel decisions, not the owner. If that was the case Smith wouldn't have a job. GM's keep owners happy by winning, not just by selling out stadiums.

    You're trying to get semantical but the simple fact is if the owner wants Tebow the owner will get Tebow, the GM can't really stand in his way. An owner doesn't openly praise a player and said he'd have drafted him to the press unless he's telling the FO, and Tebow himself, in no uncertain terms he'll be actively interested in Tebow were he available.

    And either way, when your marque draft pick last season was Blaine Gabbert and your best option going into the season was Luke McCown it's not like this GM has much moral authority when it comes to choosing QBs.


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    #274
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Syferus wrote: »
    You're trying to get semantical but the simple fact is if the owner wants Tebow the owner will get Tebow, the GM can't really stand in his way.

    And either way, when your marque draft pick last season was Blaine Gabbert and your best option going into the season was Luke Mccown it's not like this GM has much moral authority on choosing QBs.


    Agreed.

    Gabbert is a lost cause, either this offseason or next they'll need a new QB. If Tebow is available they'd have to make a move for him.


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    #275
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Jacksonville reached agreement with former Dallas free-agent wide receiver Laurent Robinson on a five-year, $32.5 million deal.


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    #276
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Jacksonville reached agreement with former Dallas free-agent wide receiver Laurent Robinson on a five-year, $32.5 million deal.

    That's a good move, unless Robinson's production is entirely based upon a love affair with Tony Romo.


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    #277
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Syferus wrote: »
    You're trying to get semantical but the simple fact is if the owner wants Tebow the owner will get Tebow, the GM can't really stand in his way. An owner doesn't openly praise a player and said he'd have drafted him to the press unless he's telling the FO, and Tebow himself, in no uncertain terms he'll be actively interested in Tebow were he available.

    And either way, when your marque draft pick last season was Blaine Gabbert and your best option going into the season was Luke McCown it's not like this GM has much moral authority when it comes to choosing QBs.


    Of course the GM can't stand in his way. But when you publicly come out and say the GM has makes all personnel decision you can't over-rule him at the first opportunity unless you want to look like a terrible owner and risk having to hire a new GM a month before the draft. Also if an new owner is asked about Tebow he wont alienate a lot of Jag fans by saying he doesn't rate him.
    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Agreed.

    Gabbert is a lost cause, either this offseason or next they'll need a new QB. If Tebow is available they'd have to make a move for him.


    have to? meh, unless they want to be in the same position next year they won't.


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    #278
    matthew8
    Registered Users Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    The Browns now have Frostee Rucker, DE. Their defense should be very good next year. Now they have to sort out QB, RB, WR, RT and RG. Anyone know if they're interested in Bush or any of the WRs?


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    #279
    eagle eye
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    And Peyton Hillis is now a Chief(instead of a CIA operative)!


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    #280
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    matthew8 wrote: »
    The Browns now have Frostee Rucker, DE. Their defense should be very good next year. Now they have to sort out QB, RB, WR, RT and RG. Anyone know if they're interested in Bush or any of the WRs?

    Thought they'd be interested in Bush but he is only apparently visiting Bears & Bengals. They prob re-sign Hillis and hope Hardesty comes good.


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    #281
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Thought they'd be interested in Bush but he is only apparently visiting Bears & Bengals. They prob re-sign Hillis and hope Hardesty comes good.

    Or not......


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    #282
    eagle eye
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Thought they'd be interested in Bush but he is only apparently visiting Bears & Bengals. They prob re-sign Hillis and hope Hardesty comes good.
    Get with the times.:)


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    #283
    Silver-Tiger
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    So Hillis is gone. If this was the end of last season i would be in tears but now i'm not so sure. Questions of his health and even bigger ones about his head. When fit he is a beast though. Surely we draft Richardson now?


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    #284
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Get with the times.:)

    :)


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    #285
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Turns out now that Hillis has only signed a 1 year $3 million deal. Not big money but he is getting a chance to prove himself again and he is free to move on next season unless he gets tagged which is highly unlikely.


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    #286
    HigginsJ
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    Silver-Tiger wrote: »
    So Hillis is gone. If this was the end of last season i would be in tears but now i'm not so sure. Questions of his health and even bigger ones about his head. When fit he is a beast though. Surely we draft Richardson now?

    What ye do with Hardesty?


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    #287
    Silver-Tiger
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    What ye do with Hardesty?

    He tweeted "excited" about 2 minutes before the Hillis news broke so he's obv happy to be getting more of a chance. He's showed flashes but he can't stay off the injury table. Don't think he got into the end zone. No 2 for sure. Talk of Bush which i'm not excited about. I want Trent God Dammit. I wanna be excited


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    #288
    Silver-Tiger
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    Giving him the $3 mill deal shows that it is a "show us you are not crazy" deal. It also shows that the Browns never wanted him back. Heckert and Holmgreen better have a good plan


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    #289
    Silver-Tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Silver-Tiger


    Pete Prisco ‏ @PriscoCBS Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Memo to NFL fans: Winning the off-season means winning the draft.

    I hope he is right because the Browns can not win in FA.


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    #290
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Mario Manningham visiting with 49ers tomorrow,

    I can't help but hope the 49ers put in an offer to Mike Wallace or make a play for Brandon Lloyd ... despite this:

    blduck.gif


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    #291
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Mario Manningham visiting with 49ers tomorrow,

    I can't help but hope the 49ers put in an offer to Mike Wallace or make a play for Brandon Lloyd ... despite this:

    blduck.gif

    I think the 49ers look good at receiver now. I'd rate re-signing Ted Ginn Jr. as higher than signing any new face, though, he's great on special teams and has developed into a good #3 receiver. If he wasn't injured versus the Giants the 49ers could easily have an extra Lombardi in the trophy case right now.

    The Lions look very interested in him but he'd be a huge boon for the team as a whole if they could make a late charge for him.


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    #292
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Mario Manningham visiting with 49ers tomorrow,

    I can't help but hope the 49ers put in an offer to Mike Wallace or make a play for Brandon Lloyd ... despite this:
    They have made a play for Lloyd from what I'm hearing or at least meeting with them.


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    #293
    JaMarcus Hustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Chad Henne is a Jaguar.

    Good move for both parties, and further confirms they had no interest in Tebow and that 2 + 2 =/= 5 for those who thought they did.


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    #294
    JaMarcus Hustle
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    They have made a play for Lloyd from what I'm hearing or at least meeting with them.

    Lloyd is visiting San Fran tomorrow it seems (or tonight, but he's definitely visiting).


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    #295
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »
    Chad Henne is a Jaguar.

    Good move for both parties, and further confirms they had no interest in Tebow and that 2 + 2 =/= 5 for those who thought they did.

    It seems more of a sign that the writing is on the wall for Manning + Broncos rather than that, honestly.


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    #296
    JaMarcus Hustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Not really. If the Jags were crazy about Tebow as some of you were saying, they'd wait and see how it panned out. The fact that they've done a deal for Henne means they've been talking to him all day and getting it sorted with his people - likely they were never even looking at Tebow at all and had no interest as the journalists and beat writers who know the team and have sources have been saying all along. Deals dont just happen in the space of an hour or two.


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    #297
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »
    Not really. If the Jags were crazy about Tebow as some of you were saying, they'd wait and see how it panned out. The fact that they've done a deal for Henne means they've been talking to him all day and getting it sorted with his people - likely they were never even looking at Tebow at all and had no interest as the journalists and beat writers who know the team and have sources have been saying all along. Deals dont just happen in the space of an hour or two.

    Which is why they would have been looking at all the available QBs, Tebow was/is only a theoretically available QB in the event of Manning joining the Broncos. They couldn't rely on that solely when their current QBs clearly aren't up to snuff, all the QBs of any value will be gone very soon.


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    #298
    JaMarcus Hustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    There's been no link between the Jags and Tebow at all apart from the flimsy Florida native - seats need filling theory. There's very little doubt now that the Jags had no interest in Tebow as has been reported quite well at this stage. Let go of those straws ;)


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    #299
    Danger_dave1
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    Henne a jag rules him out Tebow moving there. They've brought in Henne to compete with gabbert at camp. Why have 3 people competing for one spot?


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    #300
    TimThomas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭TimThomas


    Syferus wrote: »
    Which is why they would have been looking at all the available QBs, Tebow was/is only a theoretically available QB in the event of Manning joining the Broncos. They couldn't rely on that solely when their current QBs clearly aren't up to snuff, all the QBs of any value will be gone very soon.

    What a ridiculous argument going on here. Firstly its all just rumours about would they or wouldnt they take Tim Tebow. The fact the owner stirred the pot makes every idiot in the main media jump on the band wagon and say he will be a Jag if Manning goes to Denver but it reality Tebow offers nothing to the Jags other than PR and Jersey sales and temporary full stadiums. One would be a fool to think other wise. Why take Tebow to throw footballs when you have Gabbert who has a better pass than Tebow doesnt make a lick of sense. And now taking Henne shows they wont be taking Tim if he comes free.


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    #301
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Nothing apart from the guy who has the final say slobbering all over himself in public at the prospect of Tebow? That's about as direct as you can get. They had more than one pot boiling at the same time if they had any business or sporting sense, the fact they bit on Henne indicates they know something more about the Manning situation than you or me. If they were in the market for a QB, which they obviously were, it makes zero sense that they weren't looking at Tebow being potentially available, even if it was just a directive from the owner.

    And Tim, that all boils down to you being a Tebow sceptic, which is an argument for another day.


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