Eircom DSL rollout. Delayed and no longer a priority.

MRBEAVER · 07-12-2011 2:38pm #1

Why are Eircom refusing to say which Exchanges, if any will be enabled for basic DSL in the future. For many of those living in the affected areas who have been waiting many years for 1MB broadband this is very frustrating. On the one hand we hear of the occasional enabling of an Exchange such as the Naul in Dublin so it seems the rollout has not been completely abandoned but why can't you provide more certainty for those served by non DSL enabled Exchanges.

The following are the "facts" from what I can gather. If there is any inaccuracy in the following I assume an Eircom rep will point it out. And please don't confuse the issue by bringing in the NGB upgrading of already enabled Exchanges.

1. Eircom has shut down it's broadband rollout website broadbandatoz.ie

2 Eircom has not enabled many Exchanges that it promised in 2007 would be enabled by 2009.

3 Eircom has reneged on its promise to "take all orders" in the five major urban areas. The breaking of this promise is a clear indication that Eircom now has no intention of DSL enabling all Exchanges in the major cities.

4 Over 200 Exchanges have not been DSL enabled.

kevinmcc · 12-12-2011 3:51pm

And eircom being eircom won't even take the time to respond to the valid points which you made OP. I'd also like to know how they can justify a price of 25.36EUR per month for basic line rental before you even make a call. And its the same amount even if you are connected on a line which does not have a DSL enabled exchange. To compare in Northern Ireland you can get line rental for 10GBP a month from BT if you pay the year upfront. The price difference is shocking and unjustified. No wonder eircom are billions in debt, we've got rid of our landline and will not give eircom a cent until they upgrade our exchange.

regress · 12-12-2011 5:45pm

What is the point of an Eircom forum if reps only answer queries that suit them and refuse to give info on legitimate questions relating to the effective abandonment of DSL rollout despite promises and assurances that Eircom gave to govt. Simple questions that should have straightforward answers

- Which Exchanges, if any do Eircom plan to enable and a rough timetable?

- How many, if any of the Exchanges that Eircom promised to enable by 2009 will be enabled in the future?

- Do Eircom have any plans to enable any more Exchanges in the cities?

- Admittance that Eircom is now refusing to honour it's Take all orders promise.

regress · 13-12-2011 4:35pm

My understanding is that Eircom has approx 1200 Exchanges and that there were about 300 or 25% left to be enabled before the decision was taken to wind down the rollout.

There are about 30 Exchanges left on list of those that Eircom promised to enable by 2009. I assume that it will take another few years at least to complete this program

I also assume that the 250+ Exchanges that are not on this list now have little hope of ever being DSL enabled as the Exchanges on the "enabled by 2009" list will take priority.

regress · 20-12-2011 11:34pm

Any chance you could provide official statement on status od DSL roll out. Can you confirm that it has been effectively suspended because of Eircoms upcoming bankruptcy.

Sponge Bob · 21-12-2011 11:19am

regress wrote: »

There are about 30 Exchanges left on list of those that Eircom promised to enable by 2009. I assume that it will take another few years at least to complete this program

This would be the early April 2007 list...which is not yet completed. I would say it is more like 15 exchanges now Regress. 2 of them were done recently, The Naul and Leitrim Village. One even got NGN.

It does look like we will not see this program finished in April 2012...5 years after eircom announced them and 2.5 years after they should all have been done.

Here is a list. I compiled it when eircom shut down their BroadbandatoZ site and hoped we would not notice

3 or 4 exchanges were done thereafter.

Exchanges by County and province.

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan

Leitrim:

Carrigallen
Cloone

Sligo

Sligo is complete.

Galway

Kilrickle

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 4

ULSTER

Donegal

St. Johnston

Monaghan

Annyalla

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballydesmond
Knocknagree
Knockraha

Kerry

Kerry is complete

Waterford

Ballymacarbry

Tipperary

Ballyporeen

Limerick

Bruree

Abandoned Munster = 6

Leinster

Westmeath

Westmeath is complete

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown
Coon

Dublin

Dublin is complete

Kildare

Calverstown

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3

Abandoned Nationwide = 15

regress · 21-12-2011 11:26pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

This would be the early April 2007 list...which is not yet completed. I would say it is more like 15 exchanges now Regress. 2 of them were done recently.

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What is Eircoms current timetable for enabling the Exchanges on the 2007 list?

If any Exchanges are to be DSL enabled in the future will those on the 2007 list take priority

Will any of the hundreds of Exchanges not on the 2007 list ever be enabled?

Sponge Bob · 22-12-2011 2:14am

regress wrote: »

What is Eircoms current timetable for enabling the Exchanges on the 2007 list?

None. More than enough money was spent on financial advisors in 2011 to finish the lot of them with fibre to the home (nearly).

If any Exchanges are to be DSL enabled in the future will those on the 2007 list take priority

Absolutely not, installing FTTx takes priority now. eircom sincerely hope that the country folks are understanding of the fact that they don't matter.

Will any of the hundreds of Exchanges not on the 2007 list ever be enabled?

Very few. From what I can make out there are 272 exchanges with no DSL today out of around 1216 .

regress · 28-12-2011 4:13pm

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1016285.shtml

Irish Rural Link (IRL) - told Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Energy and Natural Resources that the lack of broadband in much of the country is a brake on indigenous entrepreneurship and jeopardises our economic recovery. IRL said options including the renationalisation of the former State teloco Eircom, should be considered.
“Eircom’s incumbent position means the country is relying on them to provide the broadband infrastructure we require and the company has made it clear it simply cannot afford the investment. Without it tens of thousands or homes and business people will never be able to access the high quality broadband required and will be condemned to the digital dark ages for a generation. There must be a proper debate on the future of Eircom.

horse7 · 28-12-2011 4:31pm

does anyone read the papers,eircom is about to go into liquidation,all stt directors have resigned from the board.

Sponge Bob · 30-12-2011 3:21am

They have plenty of cash at hand ( €300M) to finish the 2007 program.....sure they spent as much sponsoring the GAA in 2011 ALONE as it would take to upgrade the remaining exchanges in that program.

Bankrupt or not they will spend as much again next year.!

regress · 04-01-2012 8:23pm

Interesting to look at the archives and see how Eircom and the govt blatantly lied about the rollout of DSL. It seems like the rollout has now been effectively abandoned even though nearly 300 Exchanges were not enabled. Many in urban centres.

The govt believing Eircoms assurances that basic 1MB DSL would be rolled out to the cities is anagoulous to Biffo believing Seanies assurances on the golf course that Anglo was solvent.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/eircom-stalls-on-broadband-rollout-1669857.html

The Government promised last night that the nationwide rollout of current broadband would be unaffected by Eircom's problems
A spokesperson for the Communications Department said: "Eircom's plans are entirely separate from the National Broadband Scheme and that promise will be kept."
That scheme will provide remote areas with broadband via slower and less reliable wireless connections.
Communications Minister Eamon Ryan announced in January that every home in the country would have access to high-speed internet by September 2010 under the National Broadband Scheme.
Difficulties

While Eircom predicted there would be nationwide availability of broadband at speeds ranging from 1 megabits per second by 2011, it accepted that a "residual" part of rural Ireland would have to depend on wireless networks.
Committee members yesterday claimed the company was "saddled" with enormous debt, but Eircom countered that its debt was "manageable" and that it was completing a €1bn investment programme to upgrade telephone exchanges.

regress · 04-01-2012 8:30pm

Even though little chance of an answer I'll ask the question again.

Does Eircom have any plans to rollout DSL availability in the major cities?

Sponge Bob · 04-01-2012 8:55pm

The 'all orders taken' program of 2007 did not promise Universal ADSL or fibre...bless... in the 5 big cities but proposed to use Wimax as well as ADSL. Sadly the Wimax gear that was installed is all shut down and the spectrum was returned to Comreg at the end of 2011.

roast · 06-01-2012 10:55am

No response from the Eircom reps whatsoever?

eircom: Ant · 06-01-2012 5:39pm

regress wrote: »

Even though little chance of an answer I'll ask the question again.

Does Eircom have any plans to rollout DSL availability in the major cities?

Thank you for your post.

In answer to your query, eircom have and are currently involved in a nationwide roll out of advanced NGN (next generation networks) nationwide; including all cites.

If you need further information on NGB and broadband availability, please see www.ngb.ie or contact Broadband Sales direct - freefone 1800503303.

Best wishes,
Ant

Sponge Bob · 06-01-2012 6:43pm

Ant, the queries largely involve 2 issues.

1. Completion of the last generation broadband rollout ( announced April 2007) not the next generation broadband program. It is not unreasonable to expect completion by April 2012...5 years later. Subsumation of last generation into next generation is of course entirely acceptable.

2. The status of the 2007 "Take All Orders" program in 2012. Is it abandoned in Dublin Cork Limerick Galway and Waterford which is where eircom gave that committment to all of their customers.

finally to NGB

3. Eircom announced the NGB program sould be complete, rolled out to over 240 exchanges by end 2011. Announcement

a) How many exchanges are complete as of 6 January 2012.
b) How many are programmed to be completed after 6 January 2012
c) By the end of what quarter and in what year will these remaining exchanges be completed.

Thanks.

regress · 07-01-2012 1:22am

MRBEAVER wrote: »

Why are Eircom refusing to say which Exchanges, if any will be enabled for basic DSL in the future.

MRBEAVER wrote: »

please don't confuse the issue by bringing in the NGB upgrading of already enabled Exchanges.

kevinmcc wrote: »

eircom being eircom won't even take the time to respond

regress wrote: »

What is the point of an Eircom forum if reps only answer queries that suit them and refuse to give info on legitimate questions

- Which Exchanges, if any do Eircom plan to enable and a rough timetable?

- How many, if any of the Exchanges that Eircom promised to enable by 2009 will be enabled in the future?

- Do Eircom have any plans to enable any more Exchanges in the cities?

- Admittance that Eircom is now refusing to honour it's Take all orders promise.

regress wrote: »

Any chance you could provide official statement on status od DSL roll out. .

regress wrote: »

Even though little chance of an answer I'll ask the question again.

Does Eircom have any plans to rollout DSL availability in the major cities?

roast wrote: »

No response from the Eircom reps whatsoever?

eircom: Ant wrote: »

In answer to your query, eircom have and are currently involved in a nationwide roll out of advanced NGN (next generation networks) nationwide; including all cites.

Shockingly insulting response but predictable. After weeks of refusing to respond Eircom provides a reply that answers none of the questions asked and adresses none of the issues. This thread relates to DSL enabling Exchanges. It has nothing whatsover to do with NGB which is comprehensively discussed in multiple other threads . None of the previous posts asked about NGB so using it as a response in very unprofessional and partronising.

regress · 07-01-2012 1:31am

MRBEAVER wrote: »

Why are Eircom refusing to say which Exchanges, if any will be enabled for basic DSL in the future.

please don't confuse the issue by bringing in the NGB upgrading of already enabled Exchanges.

1. Eircom has shut down it's broadband rollout website broadbandatoz.ie

eircom: Ant wrote: »

If you need further information on NGB and broadband availability, please see www.ngb.ie

Best wishes,
Ant

The NGB site provides information on NGB. I can find no information on in relating to whether any of the hundreds of non enabled Exchanges will be DSL enabled in the future.

Please stop talking about NGB or do so on another thread. It has no relation to the subject matter of this thread. If you want to continue to refuse to address any of the issues raised just continue your silence.

roast · 07-01-2012 3:25am

regress wrote: »

Shockingly insulting response but predictable. After weeks of refusing to respond Eircom provides a reply that answers none of the questions asked and adresses none of the issues. This thread relates to DSL enabling Exchanges. It has nothing whatsover to do with NGB which is comprehensively discussed in multiple other threads . None of the previous posts asked about NGB so using it as a response in very unprofessional and partronising.

I had a feeling it was going to be a copy-paste response.:rolleyes:

regress · 07-01-2012 4:13pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

. Subsumation of last generation into next generation is of course entirely acceptable
.

Totally acceptable but I think Ant wanted to discuss instead the NGB upgrading of Exchanges that were already enabled years ago. Totally irrelevant to the queries on this thread relating to the hundreds of Exchanges that were never enabled for basic DSL.

Sponge Bob · 07-01-2012 7:21pm

Well I would rather focus on the exchanges that were supposed to be upgraded since April 2007 and which have not been as well as the status of city exchanges within the Take All Orders promise.

That would inevitably still leave around 200 exchanges with no DSL but eircom never promised anything in those cases.

Currently 271 eircom exchanges have no DSL capability as far as can be ascertained ...naturally I would be glad to hear otherwise or about any plans to add DSL capability of any sort to any of these Last or New Generation Broaband...sure anything will do.

Name Code STD County
BILBOA BIB 059 Carlow
FENAGH FEH 059 Carlow
HACKETSTOWN HKN 059 Carlow
MYSHALL MYL 059 Carlow
RATHOE RTO 059 Carlow
TEMPLEOWEN TMO 059 Carlow
BAWNBOY BBY 049 Cavan
BUTLERS BRIDGE BUB 049 Cavan
CANNINGSTOWN CAW 042 Cavan
CROSS KEYS CKS 049 Cavan
SWANLINBAR SBR 049 Cavan
BALLYVAUGHAN BVN 065 Clare
BEHAGH BHH 065 Clare
BROADFORD (Shannon) BRF 061 Clare
CAHER CER 061 Clare
CARRON CRR 065 Clare
CRAGGAGH CAG 065 Clare
DOONAHA DHA 065 Clare
INAGH ING 065 Clare
KILKEE KKE 065 Clare
KNOCK KCK 065 Clare
LABASHEEDA LDA 065 Clare
LISSYCASEY LCY 065 Clare
MONEYPOINT MPT 065 Clare
OGONNELLOE OGO 061 Clare
RAHEY CROSS RYX 065 Clare
RUAN RUN 065 Clare
ARDFIELD ALD 023 Cork
ARDGROOM ADM 027 Cork
ASHMOUNT ASM 021 Cork
BALLYDESMOND BMD 064 Cork
BALLYMACODA BMA 024 Cork
BALLYNOE BLO 058 Cork
BERNEY'S CROSS BYX 029 Cork
BWEENG BWG 021 Cork
CAHERAGH CEA 028 Cork
CAPE CLEAR CCI 028 Cork
CARRIGANIMMY CIM 026 Cork
CHURCHTOWN CHW 022 Cork
CONNA CNN 058 Cork
CROSSBARRY CBA 021 Cork
CULLEN CUX 029 Cork
DUNDERROW DUW 021 Cork
INCHYDONEY INY 023 Cork
KILCROHANE KCH 027 Cork
KNOCKNAGREE KNG 064 Cork
KNOCKRAHA KHA 021 Cork
LISLEVANE LVN 023 Cork
LYRE LYR 029 Cork
MEELIN MEN 029 Cork
MILFORD MLD 063 Cork
NEWCESTOWN NCN 021 Cork
NEWTOWNSHANDRUM NSM 063 Cork
RINGASKIDDY PORT RIP 021 Cork
ROCKCHAPEL RCH 029 Cork
SALLYBROOK SBK 021 Cork
TARELTON TAN 026 Cork
TEMPLEMARTIN TPN 021 Cork
ARRANMORE ARN 074 Donegal
CULDAFF CDF 074 Donegal
DOIRE CHONAIRE DCE 074 Donegal
DRUMKEEN DUK 074 Donegal
GLENEELY GEY 074 Donegal
ROSSNOWLAGH RWH 071 Donegal
ST JOHNSTON STJ 074 Donegal
BALDOYLE BDL 01 Dublin
BALGADDY BGD 01 Dublin
CLONSKEAGH CKH 01 Dublin
OLDTOWN OLD 01 Dublin
PEAMOUNT LANE PML 01 Dublin
IBMSITE IBM 01 Dublin
CASHEL CAS 095 Galway
CLEGGAN CGG 095 Galway
CLONBUR CNB 094 Galway
CREGGS CGS 090 Galway
EYRECOURT ECT 090 Galway
GLANN GLA 091 Galway
GURTEEN GUN 090 Galway
INISBOFIN IBF 095 Galway
INISHERE IHR 099 Galway
INISHMAAN INM 099 Galway
KILLIMOR KIR 090 Galway
KILRICKLE KCE 091 Galway
KILRONAN KRN 099 Galway
KNOCKFERRY KNF 091 Galway
LETTERFRACK LKR 095 Galway
MAAM MAM 091 Galway
NEW INN NIN 090 Galway
NEWBRIDGE NBE 090 Galway
RECESS RCS 095 Galway
ROUNDSTONE RST 095 Galway
TOBERELATAN TBL 091 Galway
TULLY CROSS TUX 095 Galway
WOODLAWN WLN 090 Galway
ANNASCAUL ACL 066 Kerry
ASDEE ASD 068 Kerry
BALLINSKELLIGS BKS 066 Kerry
BALLYDAVID BYD 066 Kerry
BLACKWATER BRIDGE BIG 064 Kerry
BROSNA BNA 068 Kerry
CAHERDANIEL CRD 066 Kerry
CLOGHANE CHA 066 Kerry
CLONKEEN CKE 064 Kerry
FINUGE FGE 068 Kerry
FYBAGH FYB 066 Kerry
GLENCAR GCR 066 Kerry
INCH INH 066 Kerry
KELLS KLL 066 Kerry
LAURAGH LRH 064 Kerry
LISSELTON LSN 068 Kerry
LYRACROMPANE LPN 068 Kerry
MUCKROSS MUC 064 Kerry
PORTMAGEE PME 066 Kerry
TUOSIST TST 064 Kerry
VALENTIA ISLAND VIS 066 Kerry
VENTRY VTY 066 Kerry
ALLENWOOD ALW 045 Kildare
ARDCLOUGH ARC 01 Kildare
CALVERSTOWN CVW 045 Kildare
CHERRYVILLE CYE 045 Kildare
COLBINSTOWN COL 045 Kildare
COOLCARRIGAN CCG 045 Kildare
HEWLETT-PACKARD HPD 01 Kildare
INTEL INL 01 Kildare
KILMEAD KMD 059 Kildare
NARRAGHMORE NAR 059 Kildare
PUNCHESTOWN CROSS PNC 045 Kildare
COON COO 056 Kilkenny
JOHNSWELL JWL 056 Kilkenny
OLDTOWN OWN 056 Kilkenny
THE ROWER RWR 051 Kilkenny
ARLES ARL 059 Laois
BALLINAKILL BAK 057 Laois
BALLINTUBBERT BBT 059 Laois
BALLYFIN BIN 057 Laois
CLOUGH COU 057 Laois
COOLRAIN CRN 057 Laois
CULLAHILL CIL 057 Laois
ERRILL ERL 0505 Laois
LUGGACURREN LRN 057 Laois
SHANAHOE SNO 057 Laois
THE SWAN TSW 059 Laois
WOLFHILL WOL 059 Laois
TIMAHOE TOE 057 Laois
AUGHACASHEL AUG 071 Leitrim
CARRIGALLEN CIG 049 Leitrim
CLOONE CLU 071 Leitrim
DOWRA DRA 071 Leitrim
DRUMKEERAN DKN 071 Leitrim
GLENFARNE GLF 071 Leitrim
KILTYCLOGHER KLR 071 Leitrim
LEITRIM VILLAGE LET 071 Leitrim
NEWTOWNGORE NGO 049 Leitrim
BALLAGH BAH 069 Limerick
BALLYAGRAN BGN 063 Limerick
BRUREE BEE 063 Limerick
CASTLEMAHON CMN 069 Limerick
FEENAGH FGH 063 Limerick
GALBALLY GBY 062 Limerick
GLENROE GLO 063 Limerick
GRANAGH GNG 061 Limerick
HERBERTSTOWN HBN 061 Limerick
KILMEEDY KMY 063 Limerick
KNOCKADERRY KKY 069 Limerick
MARTINSTOWN MAN 063 Limerick
MEANUS MUS 061 Limerick
TOURNAFULLA TFA 069 Limerick
ARDAGH ADH 043 Longford
CARRICKGLASS CKG 043 Longford
CLONDRA CNA 043 Longford
COLEHILL CLL 044 Longford
KENAGH KNA 043 Longford
MOYNE CROSS MEX 049 Longford
NEWTOWNCASHEL NTC 043 Longford
RACECOURSE ROAD RCR 042 Louth
READYPENNY RPY 042 Louth
ATTYMASS ATS 096 Mayo
BALLYCASTLE BCE 096 Mayo
BALLYCROY BYR 098 Mayo
BANGOR ERRIS BES 097 Mayo
BINGHAMSTOWN BHM 097 Mayo
BLACKSOD BKD 097 Mayo
CARROWMORELACKEN CMK 096 Mayo
CLARE ISLAND CIS 098 Mayo
CLOGHANS CRF 096 Mayo
CLOONAGH CAH 098 Mayo
CURRANE CUA 098 Mayo
DOOLEEG DLG 096 Mayo
FERRYBRIDGE FBD 094 Mayo
GARRANARD GRD 096 Mayo
GEESALA GSL 097 Mayo
GLENAMOY GMI 097 Mayo
GLENISLAND GIL 094 Mayo
HOLLYMOUNT HMT 094 Mayo
KEEL KEL 098 Mayo
KILLADOON KON 098 Mayo
MULRANY MRY 098 Mayo
PARK PRK 094 Mayo
ROSSPORT RSP 097 Mayo
TOOREEN TOR 094 Mayo
TOURMAKEADY TEY 094 Mayo
URLAUR URL 094 Mayo
CASTLEJORDAN CSJ 046 Meath
DUNDERRY DDY 046 Meath
FORDSTOWN FWN 046 Meath
KILBRIDE KBE 01 Meath
KILSHARVAN KSV 041 Meath
LONGWOOD LWD 046 Meath
ROBINSTOWN RBT 046 Meath
ANNYALLA AYL 042 Monaghan
GLASSLOUGH GLS 047 Monaghan
STRANOODEN SON 042 Monaghan
BALLYDALY BDA 057 Offaly
BRACKNAGH BKG 057 Offaly
CLOGHAN CGH 090 Offaly
CLONBULLOGUE CBE 046 Offaly
CLONYGOWAN CYG 057 Offaly
LEABEG LAG 057 Offaly
POLLAGH PLL 057 Offaly
SHANNONBRIDGE SNB 090 Offaly
TULLAMORE COURT TMC 057 Offaly
WALSH ISLAND WIS 057 Offaly
KINNITY KNT 057 Offaly
BALLYFORAN BFN 090 Roscommon
EMMOO JUNCTION EMJ 090 Roscommon
FOUR ROADS FRS 090 Roscommon
MONKSLAND MNK 090 Roscommon
TAUGHMACONNELL TML 090 Roscommon
BUNNANADDAN BUD 071 Sligo
DROMARD DMD 071 Sligo
LAVAGH LVH 071 Sligo
AGHANCON AHC 057 Tipperary
AHERLOW AHO 062 Tipperary
BALLINGARRY BRY 067 Tipperary
BALLYMACKEY BCK 067 Tipperary
BALLYPOREEN BPN 052 Tipperary
BOHERLAHAN BON 0504 Tipperary
CARRIG CGB 057 Tipperary
COOLBAWN CBN 067 Tipperary
CRINKILL CRI 090 Tipperary
GOOLDS CROSS GSX 0504 Tipperary
KILCOMMON KCO 062 Tipperary
LISRONAGH LSR 052 Tipperary
MOYNE MNE 0504 Tipperary
MULLENNAGLOUGH MUG 051 Tipperary
NEW INN NWN 052 Tipperary
REARCROSS RRX 062 Tipperary
ROSEGREEN RGN 062 Tipperary
ROSSOULTY RSY 0504 Tipperary
SILVERMINES SIL 067 Tipperary
TEMPLEDERRY TDY 0504 Tipperary
TEMPLETUOHY TPY 0504 Tipperary
TOOMEVARA TOO 067 Tipperary
BALLINAMULT BAM 058 Waterford
BALLYMACARBRY BMY 052 Waterford
CLASHMORE CMO 058 Waterford
LOSKERAN LOS 058 Waterford
SHANBALLY SHY 058 Waterford
STRADBALLY STY 051 Waterford
BALLYMORE BYW 044 Westmeath
BALLYNACARGY BNY 044 Westmeath
FINEA FNA 043 Westmeath
ROSEMOUNT ROT 090 Westmeath
ADAMSTOWN ADT 053 Wexford
MONAMOLIN MLN 053 Wexford
COOLKENNO CKO 059 Wicklow
ENNISKERRY KILGARRON EKK 01 Wicklow
GLENCREE GNE 01 Wicklow
KILMACANOGUE KMC 01 Wicklow
REDCROSS RDS 0404 Wicklow
VALLEYMOUNT VMT 045 Wicklow

dahamsta · 07-01-2012 7:31pm

Come on Eircom, stop acting the maggot and answer the question that was asked.

arctan · 07-01-2012 8:35pm

the reason he's going on about NGB is because that is DSL, well the access customers will be given is DSL ...

i.e. if your exchange has been upgraded into the next generation network, DSL should be available..

Eircom are also only obligated to provide a telephone service if financially viable...

once they do, there is no obligation for them to upgrade a line to handle anything other than voice, well at the moment.

unfortunately this means, if you're out in the sticks, be happy if you even got a copper cable out, let alone a service to handle DSL ...

there are also logistical and technology limitations to rolling out a DSL connection, particularly when down the country where lines easily travel past the 5km limit for DSL to the nearest exchange... it can even make basic PSTN services a nightmare.

of course, in a perfect world, we'd all have Fibre to the home, but without investment, Eircom have to bank on, and pump money into the main money makers (commercial, and urban residential customers)

I'd get onto them to see if you are in a suitable area for FCS (Fixed Cellular Service)... its basically wireless connection to a tower or exchange for your home telephone and slightly higher than dial up data speeds (some areas can be faster than a fixed ISDN line)

edit: just seen one or two of the names of the exchanges in Wicklow ... lol, ever see the likes of Glencree exchange ? its basically a box .... no wonder it's not DSL enabled.

Sponge Bob · 07-01-2012 8:45pm

arctan wrote: »

the reason he's going on about NGB is because that is DSL, well the access customers will be given is DSL ..

Yeah but that is not what he was asked

eircom have around 1220 exchanges.

950 or so have broadband, up to 8mbit first generation ADSL

210 of the 950 have NGB, up to 24mbit second generation ADSL
(another 30 or so were promised NGB on top of the 210, eircom have no intention of upgrading all 950 to NGB)

2 of the 950 have VDSL, up to 100mbit third generation ADSL( actually VDSL)

2 more of the 950 have some fibre, 1 in Dublin and 1 in Wexford.

270 have nothing. Many of those 270 were promised _something_, ie not fibre and not VDSL...just bog standard ADSL.

arctan · 07-01-2012 8:53pm

simple matter of fact though is, that it all has to go into the next generation network ...

if it's not next generation broadband enabled ... this means no DSL ... of any type

dahamsta · 07-01-2012 9:35pm

arctan wrote: »

if it's not next generation broadband enabled ... this means no DSL ... of any type

Where did you get that idea? There's a rake of non-"NGB" - a retarded term btw - DSL-enabled exchanges around the country. I'm on one, and they're doing the exact same thing with these now they did with the DSL upgrades -- do the top earners, and screw everyone else.

arctan · 07-01-2012 9:50pm

it's how the network is being upgraded... unless the exchange is an RSU (a type of sub exchange) to another exchange that it is linked in the with the next generation network, you won't have DSL, because you won't be linked into the network, simple ..

NGB, NGN, all fairly homo terms alright, but unfortunately Next Generation Network and Broadband are fairly standard terms in the industry for describing this type of network, bit like 2.5, 3 and 4 G in mobile networks ...

as for the do the top earners, screw everyone else, they are a company who do have to turn over a profit, instead of upgrading Farmer Joe in the sticks with a nice DSL connection so he can watch youtube, they could save money and install it into a business premises with more line useage, hence more profit ...

ever see the costs for upgrading an exchange ? let alone then puttin in infrastructure into a customer ?

unfortunately, Eircom could promise you the moon and the sun, but regulatory wise, even in urban areas, all they are obligated to do is provide you with simple voice sevices... even then, it's only when financially viable.

dahamsta · 07-01-2012 11:32pm

Sorry but you're going around in circles. You clearly said that if an exchange isn't NGB enabled, DSL isn't available - I quoted you directly - and as I said this is absolutely not the case. I know how DSL works, I know what NGB represents, I know the costs involved and I'm acutely aware of Eircom's ridiculous levels of debt, none of these have any relevance to that statement.

I'm not even sure how to respond to the comment about rural exchanges. It does make me wonder if you've ever set foot outside a major city. Villages and towns are very different animals these days.

arctan · 07-01-2012 11:55pm

Don't be sorry, because I'm not going in a circle ... I'm not doubting for one second either you don't know anything about DSL

but if the exchange is not connected to the next gen network, you won't get DSL ... I then corrected it by saying, some (especially in rural areas), are RSU's, even though they are called exchanges, they are merely RSU's (sub exchanges), a bit like a spur out from a main exchange, it's to combat signal degredation over long runs (or a lot are put into spur towns or industrial estates for ease of access) ... they can have DSL also (even though records and wholesalers will say they don't)

re: the comment of rural exchanges, it's because I've worked on a lot of them ... to call some of them an exchange is hilarious tbh ... but if it has an E-side cable, LLI and MDF ... it's designated an exchange ... even if its in a roadside box

Sponge Bob · 08-01-2012 12:29am

In the interests of simplicity an "exchange" is a point where an A/D conversion is carried out and power injected into a E side or a D side. It could be the size of a biscuit tin on a pole somewhere but is normally a roadside cabinet or a building somewhere. An RSU is a legacy voice telephony description....lets use that instead of exchange if you will.

eircom have no intention of abandoning RSUs backhauled over legacy ATM gear Arctan.

They maintain the capability to encapsulate a DSL service within ATM do they not??

Eircom DSL rollout. Delayed and no longer a priority.

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