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Martin McGuinness to be named as Sinn Féins candidate for the Presidential Election?

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    #122
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Don't know for definite whether i will vote for him or not,haven't mind up my mind yet, But i tell you one think it surely has made the presidential election a lot more interesting.


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    #123
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    happening already

    reuters are reporting he is a "Ex-IRA guerrilla"

    Ex-IRA guerrilla McGuinness to run for Irish president


    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/martin-mcguinness-run-irish-president-163417989.html

    Have to laugh. I suppose they reported the past elections in NI in the same fashion.

    'Bunch of screwballs from the OO are elected to run a government. '

    Biased news articles are going to be a feature from now on so.


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    #124
    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    Did she not work as a lecturer here? I could be mistaken.

    She worked in Trinity college and worked for RTE for a number of years. She was born in NI but spent years here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mcaleese


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    #125
    sparkling sea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭sparkling sea


    :mad:Whats there to say, why not have Giovanni Trapattoni he is "doing wonders" with the Irish team in some peoples opinion!

    Or better still Tony Blair wasn't he the architect of the Good Friday agreement - perhaps not!

    Maybe people in Northern Ireland might take Bertie Ahearn off us, we could do a swap?

    Why cant we have a Republic of Ireland citizen for the Republic of Ireland president.

    The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are different countries, I mean come on people - of all the people who live here there must be one person that can do the job.
    Martin McGuiness, first minister of Northern Ireland, really loyal to his voters there, I wonder will he show the same loyalty to he voters here, or would this be just another career move for this career politican


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    #126
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    "Why cant we have a Republic of Ireland citizen for the Republic of Ireland president."



    Oh dear oh dear oh dear


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    #127
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    :mad:Whats there to say, why not have Giovanni Trapattoni he is "doing wonders" with the Irish team in some peoples opinion!

    Or better still Tony Blair wasn't he the architect of the Good Friday agreement - perhaps not!

    Maybe people in Northern Ireland might take Bertie Ahearn off us, we could do a swap?

    Why cant we have a Republic of Ireland citizen for the Republic of Ireland president.

    The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are different countries, I mean come on people - of all the people who live here there must be one person that can do the job.
    Martin McGuiness, first minister of Northern Ireland, really loyal to his voters there, I wonder will he show the same loyalty to he voters here, or would this be just another career move for this career politican
    The position has no power anyway, bar opening shops and taking Jackie McDonald to the golf course.


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    #128
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The position has no power anyway, bar opening shops and taking Jackie McDonald to the golf course.



    Whats wrong with jackie mcdonald ?


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    #129
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    Why cant we have a Republic of Ireland citizen for the Republic of Ireland president.

    So would you like to take Mary McAleese's last 14 years of salary back? This argument is just plain silly.

    Anyone born on the island of Ireland is entitled to an Irish passport. Would you like to change this law and send up a crack squad of civil servants to the North to repossess all the passports currently held by people born in the 6 counties?

    Of all the arguments not to vote for Marty, this one is by a millions miles the worst.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #130
    niallers1
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭niallers1


    jbkenn wrote: »
    He does not live here.
    He does not work here, (did he ever hold down a job anywhere?)
    He does not pay taxes here.
    He does not vote here.

    Why should I vote for him?, gifting him the equivalent of a Lotto win, between salary, perks and pension.

    No thanks

    He is Irish so I don't see your problem? And the only reason he does not vote/pay taxes/work in the South is because of the temporary situation up north. That will be sorted in good time.

    Oh, And he will be working for the average industrial wage..


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    #131
    yosemite_sam
    Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭yosemite_sam


    This should shake up the dross that is standing


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    #132
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    I would strongly consider voting for him (had I the vote).


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    #133
    KeithAFC
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    realies wrote: »
    Whats wrong with jackie mcdonald ?
    Well he was a volunteer but still splits debate amongst loyalists.


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    #134
    baldbear
    Registered Users Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭baldbear


    I suppose that cross dressing incident will be in the papers now!


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    #135
    Imhof Tank
    Registered Users Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Martin is such a brave and glorious patriot - but werent Mary Lou, Pierce Doherty and slick electable southern shinners invented/ groomed for ROI elections though?


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    #136
    Cicero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,144 ✭✭✭✭Cicero


    This is way too much like strategic political point scoring ...President McAleese has done an exceptional job as President.

    M.McG has nothing to offer that can progress the interests of the 26 counties....I'm out!


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    #137
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    NSNO wrote: »
    The fact that you're even comparing De Valera and O'Kelly to McGuinness boggles the mind. If you think that the Troubles is comparable to the War Of Independence or the Civil War (in which neither O'Kelly or De Valera took an active role and both tried to stop) in the minds of the Irish public then you're beyond help.

    And his "military" past? Really? :rolleyes:

    The violence during the troubles was not started by the ira. The roles were reversed the troubles could have been prevented by granting catholics full rights as oppossed to attacking the civil rights marchers vie the ruc and orange order.


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    #138
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    i'd say psf are hoping getting curly into the park will help keep grassroots happy coming up to the '16 anniversary. they were told there'd be a united ireland by then:rolleyes:so having a sf president would help calm the restless grassroots. but you cant polish a turd. ireland will still be partioned, in fact partition's copperfastened. brit police will still patrol irish streets and british army personel will still be barracked on irish soil. and downing street will ultimately call the shots.

    anyway he hasnt a hope, the free state media will go into overdrive now on his ira past. skeletons like frank hegerty and patsy gillespie will be rolled out time and time again from his closet.

    i'd rather see him in then a pure west brit like norris.


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    #139
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    niallers1 wrote: »

    He is Irish so I don't see your problem? And the only reason he does not vote/pay taxes/work in the South is because of the temporary situation up north. That will be sorted in good time.

    Oh, And he will be working for the average industrial wage..

    What is "the South" (your capital "S" in an attempt to give it a legitimacy as a term) ?

    It certainly doesn't sound like something that would have a President.

    This country however is a different story.

    As for "temporary situation" : :rolleyes:


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    #140
    sparkling sea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭sparkling sea


    briankeating wrote: »
    So would you like to take Mary McAleese's last 14 years of salary back? This argument is just plain silly.

    Anyone born on the island of Ireland is entitled to an Irish passport. Would you like to change this law and send up a crack squad of civil servants to the North to repossess all the passports currently held by people born in the 6 counties?

    Of all the arguments not to vote for Marty, this one is by a millions miles the worst..

    Marty is that what his followers call him!!!

    Seems like a lovely woman and I do think she did a brillant job, but I would have prepared if she had actually come from our country, given that she was the figure head for it. And yes - I would definitely have prepared is the Republic of Ireland Presidential salary had gone to a citizen of this country - by the by that doesn't mean they have to be born here to me - be the entitlement thing just because your from Northern Ireland -sad.

    I don't think people from Northern Ireland should automatically be entitled Republic of Irish passports, anymore than I think I should be entitled to a Northern Irish passport or a passpert to any other country.

    Calling someones opinion silly just because you don't agree with is stupid and to IMO stupid truimphs silly everytime - but then intolerence is another historical feature of Sinn Fein supporters - yet another reason I'd rather they stayed in Northern Ireland :rolleyes:


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    #141
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The violence during the troubles was not started by the ira.
    I don't know about that, but they certainly were major contributors to continuing it long past the point where it had any justification.

    We may have a Sinn Fein president in the future, but the memories of Enniskillen, the deaths of two children in Warrington and the bombings in London & Manchester are still too fresh.


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    #142
    sparkling sea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭sparkling sea


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The violence during the troubles was not started by the ira. The roles were reversed the troubles could have been prevented by granting catholics full rights as oppossed to attacking the civil rights marchers vie the ruc and orange order.

    Extremely simplistic arguement - both sides committed terrible acts and only represented themsleves


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    #143
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    Marty is that what his followers call him!!!

    Seems like a lovely woman and I do think she did a brillant job, but I would have prepared if she had actually come from our country, given that she was the figure head for it. And yes - I would definitely have prepared is the Republic of Ireland Presidential salary had gone to a citizen of this country - by the by that doesn't mean they have to be born here to me - be the entitlement thing just because your from Northern Ireland -sad.

    I don't think people from Northern Ireland should automatically be entitled Republic of Irish passports, anymore than I think I should be entitled to a Northern Irish passport or a passpert to any other country.

    Calling someones opinion silly just because you don't agree with is stupid and to IMO sillly truimphs stupid everytime - but then intolerence is another historical feature of Sinn Fein supporters - yet another reason I'd rather they stayed in Northern Ireland :rolleyes:
    So people from the north arent Irish according to you, good stuff.


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    #144
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 16,974 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    Marty is that what his followers call him!!!

    Seems like a lovely woman and I do think she did a brillant job, but I would have prepared if she had actually come from our country, given that she was the figure head for it. And yes - I would definitely have prepared is the Republic of Ireland Presidential salary had gone to a citizen of this country - by the by that doesn't mean they have to be born here to me - be the entitlement thing just because your from Northern Ireland -sad.

    I don't think people from Northern Ireland should automatically be entitled Republic of Irish passports, anymore than I think I should be entitled to a Northern Irish passport or a passpert to any other country.

    You are old hat, move with the times


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    #145
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    What is "the South" (your capital "S" in an attempt to give it a legitimacy as a term) ?

    It certainly doesn't sound like something that would have a President.

    This country however is a different story.

    As for "temporary situation" : :rolleyes:
    I dont mean to insult you Liam but can you please stop correcting peoples grammer and use of the language, it adds nothing to the conversation.


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    #146
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    I dont mean to insult you Liam but can you please stop correcting peoples grammer and use of the language, it adds nothing to the conversation.

    That comment had nothing to so with grammar, and you know it.

    It was the fact that most SF people refuse point-blank to refer to this state by its name, therefore having one of them as its president is absolutely ridiculous and objectionable.

    Would America stand for having a president that referred to their country as "North America" or "Southern Canada" ?


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    #147
    ninjasurfer1
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭ninjasurfer1


    niallers1 wrote: »
    He is Irish so I don't see your problem? And the only reason he does not vote/pay taxes/work in the South is because of the temporary situation up north. That will be sorted in good time.

    Is the position of President of Ireland funded by Republic of Ireland taxes or all irish people on the island?

    Also, are Irish passport holders born in the 6 counties subject to ROI laws?


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    #148
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    As if there wasn't enough to deal with in this election with all the Norris stuff, we now have McGuinness throwing his hat into the ring. Seriously.....won't they just think of the mods of the forum for once! :)

    Anyway, can i just ask that people keep it civilised and on the topic at hand. Trench digging and the usual nonsense that accompanies all things NI won't be tolerated, please bear that in mind before posting

    Cheers

    DrG


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    #149
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Well it is important to point out the reality. Two different communities hate each other. The peace process only keeps large amounts of guns off the street.

    Sounds like you think thats a small achievement. Obviously keeping guns off the streets will help the two communities come together over time (it might only take 1 or 2 generations). Anyway, I don't believe its as bad as you say in most of Northern Ireland. Just in certain areas.


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    #150
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    Extremely simplistic arguement - both sides committed terrible acts and only represented themsleves

    Before the troubles the ira had a border campaign with very little support and after the civil rights they had massive support. You cant accuse me of a simplistic arguement and then sum the troubles up as:
    both sides committed terrible acts and only represented themsleves

    The IRA commited terrible acts no doubt and Im not defending them I just dont think they were the cause of the troubles.


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    #151
    dlofnep
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    That comment had nothing to so with grammar, and you know it.

    It was the fact that most SF people refuse point-blank to refer to this state by its name, therefore having one of them as its president is absolutely ridiculous and objectionable.

    Would America stand for having a president that referred to their country as "North America" or "Southern Canada" ?

    The name of the state is Éire/Ireland. Republicans view Ireland as a single nation, comprising of the entire Island, as does the constitution of this Republic. So, to use colloquial terms which highlight that the Island is partitioned is perfectly acceptable and is used by many politicians in Ireland outside of Sinn Féin who often use the phrase 'the north of the country'.

    You're going to have to get over your hang-up on such trivial bollocks such as terms like 'the south/the north/6 counties/' etc... It comes across as petty.


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