Overkill UK Police?!

monkeypants · 09-07-2010 7:33am

The english police tend to overload situations with manpower. I was in a pub once when the police came and sealed the place off, wouldn't let us leave. We were let go eventually in ones and twos and ordered to proceed in a particular direction. There were eleven police vehicles, dog units and a helicopter. The reason? Two football fans had had a bit of a scuffle. They were dealt with almost instantly and chucked into the back of a van. Not sure what the rest was about.

This guy Moat is simply committing suicide by cop.

hal9000 · 09-07-2010 9:06am

Brady wrote: »

Hey,

Im sure all of you's have been reading the story about this massive police manhunt for Raoul Moat.

Having read some of the latest developments and checking out the images i couldnt believe hardware on display of the UK police force (check out attachements)

Is it just me or is this overkill?!

Images are Sourced from BBC Newswebsite

No thats not overkill, this would be overkill

http://www.lahc.edu/classes/chemistry/arias/nuclear-explosion.jpg

Nailz · 09-07-2010 9:13am

They're taking it more seriously because the gunman is mostly out for them, they're more protective of themselves than the civilians. Assholes.

Brady · 09-07-2010 9:23am

DingChavez wrote: »

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3047313/Tornado-jet-called-in-for-Raoul-Moat-search.html

They're sending fighter jets now.

Won't sending all this badass hardware in encourge more people to be hard men? He probably thinks he's John Rambo.

That is just brilliant...

Elliemental · 09-07-2010 9:41am

Brady wrote: »

Hey,

Im sure all of you's have been reading the story about this massive police manhunt for Raoul Moat.

Having read some of the latest developments and checking out the images i couldnt believe hardware on display of the UK police force (check out attachements)

Is it just me or is this overkill?!

Images are Sourced from BBC Newswebsite

They don't always look like that. Its' just that this Moat guy seems a tad unbalanced.

Stercus Accidit · 09-07-2010 10:06am

Nailz wrote: »

They're taking it more seriously because the gunman is mostly out for them, they're more protective of themselves than the civilians. Assholes.

Yeah sure, they are there in the first place to protect people.

Why would 4000 police travel TO the gunman?

Or was that just a bout of mental diarrhoea?

caseyann · 09-07-2010 11:36am

How long is this guy on the run? :eek:

TerrorFirmer · 09-07-2010 11:53am

Too much hardware?? They're searching for an armed gunman that's shot and killed innocent victims - what would be the suitable level of hardware then? Time to break out the muskets and blunderbusses....

genericguy · 09-07-2010 12:04pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Too much hardware?? They're searching for an armed gunman that's shot and killed innocent victims - what would be the suitable level of hardware then? Time to break out the muskets and blunderbusses....

i do hope they manage to disable him rather than killing him. a nice life sentence as a vegetable would give him time to think about what he did.

aidan24326 · 09-07-2010 12:16pm

orourkeda wrote: »

They are chasing a gunmen you know

Exactly. A gunman who has stated his intention to target police officers. Unhinged man + loaded gun = very dangerous situation, as the citizens of Cumbria found out recently. With the memory of that still fresh in the mind I'd expect the ploice to be taking no chances whatsoever.

We all like to give out about the police/gardai from time to time but in cases like this they can't win really. If they don't react sufficiently people end up dead and they get lambasted for inaction, if they react as they are now it's 'overkill'.

Hogzy · 09-07-2010 1:02pm

monkeypants wrote: »

The english police tend to overload situations with manpower. I was in a pub once when the police came and sealed the place off, wouldn't let us leave. We were let go eventually in ones and twos and ordered to proceed in a particular direction. There were eleven police vehicles, dog units and a helicopter. The reason? Two football fans had had a bit of a scuffle. They were dealt with almost instantly and chucked into the back of a van. Not sure what the rest was about.

This guy Moat is simply committing suicide by cop.

We have all seen how quick a situation can turn bad in regards football fans in the UK.
TBH i dont think the having that many police at a football fight is overkill as the two fighting could have been known hooligans. Things can escalate pretty quick over there as i have seen before.

ejmaztec · 09-07-2010 1:13pm

Good photo of armed UK cops protecting their doughnuts. You have to get your priorities right.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0709/breaking2.html

MidlandsM · 09-07-2010 1:19pm

2 Angles on this ;

If this nutter is hunting the police, hes doing a pretty lacklustre job. Half the UK's police force is stomping around the woods, you'd have though it was open season for him, but he hasnt bagged one yet!

and as for the police, They are fecking useless, give them some 'real work' to do and it all goes tits up. The whole operation is a joke.
He's been under their noses and given them the slip several times now. I think its funny.

lol.....

Hogzy · 09-07-2010 1:31pm

^^^lol good pic,

Yeah it is a bit of a joke the way this guy has disappeared. Id say he is well gone by this stage, whether he stole a car or got a buddy to pick him up is fairly likely. He has no tent and no sleeping bag. Hes fooked if hes out in the open. Like he stayed in a tent the first night which was really close to Rothbury. I dont understand how a heat seeking infra red camera would not have seen him?

Unless he is a Vampire and has no body heat at all.

MidlandsM · 09-07-2010 1:49pm

I think he's been driven to it, one of his pals said he had been stopped over 100 times over a period of 4 or 5 months by the cops - they've been victimising him. Its my opinion hes been stitched up by the police big time. I've read many don't trust Northumbria police one iota, if they have it in for you, then basically you're focked! They're as corrupt as can be alledgedly. Remember ehat happened here in the Donegal division with our Gardai - Garda abuse of power is fooking everywhere and this guy is like Michael Douglus in "Falling Down"

09-07-2010 1:53pm

He is a creation of the police force . He does have a criminal past but alot of people say that he has been harassed by the police impounding his work truck and stopping him every time they see him.

It was the wife who tipped him over the edge by having the affair and not only that he new boyfriend actually issued a challenge to him , in which he took up.

Now the police have a mess to clean up.

Witcher · 09-07-2010 1:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It was the wife who tipped him over the edge by having the affair and not only that he new boyfriend actually issued a challenge to him , in which he took up.

"I bet you can't shoot me and go on the run from the police"

:pac:

allanb49 · 09-07-2010 2:03pm

Reading this story and following it, I'm thinking more and more Rambo First Bloob.

He's got the forrest boobie trapped

MidlandsM · 09-07-2010 2:05pm

in a bunker somewhere, and plod don't have a clue where this bunker is.
He's probably stocked it up on baked bean & supplies, and could be in there till WW3 breaks out!

cupthehand1 · 09-07-2010 2:07pm

Exact same as ERU in Limerick and no one says its overkill, peoples lives are at stake, fight fire with fire and all that

Mike 1972 · 09-07-2010 2:13pm

Brady wrote: »

Images are Sourced from BBC Newswebsite[/URL]

Why have the media got so obsessive about blurring out vehicle numberplates while still displaying faces of innocent/uninvolved parties ?

cupthehand1 wrote: »

fight fire with fire and all that

Surely water/CO2/dry powder/that-foamy-stuff-that-leaves -an-awful-mess works better ?

therokerroar · 09-07-2010 4:13pm

A few of my favourite quotes from Northumbria Police during the last couple of days:

"We are looking for a male who does not want to be found"

"Information has come to our attention about a threat to the public from Moat"

But......."There is no specific threat against the schools, children or anybody else in the Rothbury area"

laugh · 09-07-2010 4:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It was the wife who tipped him over the edge by having the affair

22 year old gf that he knocked up when she was 16 and he is 38.

CrazyRabbit · 09-07-2010 4:22pm

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The A-Team.

tommyhaas · 09-07-2010 4:35pm

Sky news were saying there that two RAF Tornado jets capable of Mach 1.6 are helping in the hunt for Raoul Moat. WTF, how fast can the lad run??

Overheal · 09-07-2010 5:09pm

tommyhaas wrote: »

Sky news were saying there that two RAF Tornado jets capable of Mach 1.6 are helping in the hunt for Raoul Moat. WTF, how fast can the lad run??

Even at subsonic speeds you rarely hear a plane before its already overhead, its just moving too fast: typically over 400mph. I forget what commercial liner runway speed is averaging at. C-17s frequently pass overhead during the day here, the Charleston AFB makes sure of that. But the same applies that because of the speed and the altitude involved you cant hear them before they're already overhead or past you.

But it still represents an advantage over searching by helicopter - which travels a lot slower and can be heard before seen.

tommyhaas · 09-07-2010 5:34pm

And what exactly are they gonna see at 400mph? Just seems a bit mad

Donny5 · 09-07-2010 6:05pm

tommyhaas wrote: »

And what exactly are they gonna see at 400mph? Just seems a bit mad

They have these thermal and near-IR cameras that are used in wartime for recce and target acquisition. They're up to the task.

Bear in mind that they also can fly quite high up so that the area below them appears to be passing quite sedately, just as when you're driving at 120km/h on the motorway, buildings on the horizon appear to pass more slowly than streetlights on the side of the road.

MidlandsM · 09-07-2010 6:08pm

Just out folks,

the New Google App, Where's Moaty?

flutered · 09-07-2010 6:11pm

raoul moates message to sue sim, def not safe for work

MidlandsM · 09-07-2010 6:18pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

Good photo of armed UK cops protecting their doughnuts. You have to get your priorities right.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0709/breaking2.html

...that bakery have jumped on the band wagon and are cashing in on their new local pastry snack. Its thick as fook, meaty and has a hint of ginger. Sausage Raouls are now on sale in there for 49p.:D

tommyhaas · 09-07-2010 6:21pm

Donny5 wrote: »

They have these thermal and near-IR cameras that are used in wartime for recce and target acquisition. They're up to the task.

I dont doubt that they'd be perfect in Afganastan and that, just seems a bit mad for this. I know what your saying about the speed and that, and I can see that working if your looking for an aircraft carrier or something, but a person?? Anyway once they see a person, they'd hardly be able to identify him from 20,000ft (or what ever height it is they fly at). I can see this ending badly for some random poor lad out for a stroll in the locality. Not that I know what im talking about of course, just the way it seems to me

Why dont they use the helicopter, like in 'road wars' with the thermal camera? At least then if they found him they could hover above him?

Local-womanizer · 09-07-2010 6:25pm

tommyhaas wrote: »

I dont doubt that they'd be perfect in Afganastan and that, just seems a bit mad for this. I know what your saying about the speed and that, and I can see that working if your looking for an aircraft carrier or something, but a person?? Anyway once they see a person, they'd hardly be able to identify him from 20,000ft (or what ever height it is they fly at). I can see this ending badly for some random poor lad out for a stroll in the locality. Not that I know what im talking about of course, just the way it seems to me

Why dont they use the helicopter, like in 'road wars' with the thermal camera? At least then if they found him they could hover above him?

The Tornado is not there to "exterminate" him,it is there to find him.

It takes a picture of the terrain,flies over the same spot again and takes another picture,and identifies any movement in the second picture from the first.

If they see something suspicious,they tell the cops who go for a look.

they have been using thermal cameras on the choppers and will continue to do so but it seems that area has no shortage of caves to hide in.

tommyhaas · 09-07-2010 6:30pm

I reckon he's with Bin Laden

Donny5 · 09-07-2010 6:38pm

tommyhaas wrote: »

I dont doubt that they'd be perfect in Afganastan and that, just seems a bit mad for this. I know what your saying about the speed and that, and I can see that working if your looking for an aircraft carrier or something, but a person?? Anyway once they see a person, they'd hardly be able to identify him from 20,000ft (or what ever height it is they fly at). I can see this ending badly for some random poor lad out for a stroll in the locality. Not that I know what im talking about of course, just the way it seems to me

Why dont they use the helicopter, like in 'road wars' with the thermal camera? At least then if they found him they could hover above him?

Well, I'm just guessing, but I figured that they are using them to look for thermal signatures which can then be passed onto the cops for a look. They probably are mostly airborne at dusk to dawn, to avoid false positives. They wouldn't be carrying ordnance; they're just there to have a look.

I imagine the two main advantages to using GR4s over helicopters are that the plane can cover far more territory in a given time frame (I don't know how much more, but it's likely orders of magnitude higher), and that planes are far cheaper to fly than helicopters.

Also, there's a good chance they're using both in their efforts. Maybe they're grid-searching with GR4s looking for signatures, and if they find one, they call over the helicopter to have a closer look and loiter until someone can get there on foot.

Anyway, it's all just my supposition and I'm talking through my arse, never having been a fighter pilot or armed policeman.

MidlandsM · 09-07-2010 6:39pm

tommyhaas wrote: »

I reckon he's with Obama

don't you mean Osama?:pac:

Delicate_Dlite · 09-07-2010 6:43pm

Well according to sky news he's now holding a gun to his head while having a 'confrontation' with armed police.

This should end well. :rolleyes:

tommyhaas · 09-07-2010 6:43pm

MidlandsM wrote: »

don't you mean Osama?:pac:

Thats the one

LadyMayBelle · 09-07-2010 6:45pm

Delicate_Dlite wrote: »

Well according to sky news he's now holding a gun to his head while having a 'confrontation' with armed police.

This should end well. :rolleyes:

BBC have said nothing about this!

Tis all happening now...

DB10 · 09-07-2010 6:45pm

Sky news stand 400m away from where everyone else is standing watching...

And they have had full coverage on this for days....:rolleyes:

"From what we can see, there is a crowd of people and a man with a gun...just around the corner..."

SHOW IT

Delicate_Dlite · 09-07-2010 6:47pm

I know, wtf! Being nosy is sky's strength... oh eventually the camera man decides to move his ass.

Ooh a cop car with dented light. :rolleyes:

LadyMayBelle · 09-07-2010 6:48pm

Ha, an eye witness on BBC has just said she saw two police cars crashing as they were in such a hurry!

tommyhaas · 09-07-2010 6:49pm

Delicate_Dlite wrote: »

I know, wtf! Being nosy is sky's strength... oh eventually the camera man decides to move his ass.

Ooh a cop car with dented light. :rolleyes:

Apparently two police cars crashed into each other

Delicate_Dlite · 09-07-2010 6:54pm

Yes, I heard. not that thrilling though.

"My mum wants to come out of her house, but they (police) keep telling her to stay indoors"

*Bangs head of table* Hmm, I wonder, I mean it couldn't be for HER own safety. My god, why do they talk to ppl like this. :rolleyes:

LadyMayBelle · 09-07-2010 6:55pm

Hmm, interestingly, a very distressed lady was just on bbc; her mum is stuck in a house nearby and cant leave' she just said the mothers house was broken into on Tuesday, and forensics confirmed it was Moat.. ya can't trust the news to tell you everything can ya :rolleyes:

Degag · 09-07-2010 6:59pm

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Hmm, interestingly, a very distressed lady was just on bbc; her mum is stuck in a house nearby and cant leave' she just said the mothers house was broken into on Tuesday, and forensics confirmed it was Moat.. ya can't trust the news to tell you everything can ya :rolleyes:

Yeah, same woman then says that she is so worried about her mother and is going to ring her straight away. Camera cuts to the reporter and you can see the same woman telling her story to some other news agency.... Very worried indeed.:rolleyes:

Shzm · 09-07-2010 7:01pm

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Hmm, interestingly, a very distressed lady was just on bbc; her mum is stuck in a house nearby and cant leave' she just said the mothers house was broken into on Tuesday, and forensics confirmed it was Moat.. ya can't trust the news to tell you everything can ya :rolleyes:

Sky reported that they weren't informed of the break in by the Police.. so no, quite hard for them to report something they don't know about.

Delicate_Dlite · 09-07-2010 7:02pm

Police confirm they're negotiating with him.. That must be an interesting conversation.

"I'm going to kill myself!"
"Really?...We were kind of planning to kill you.."

unknown13 · 09-07-2010 7:02pm

Sky are blowing this out of proportion like always

therokerroar · 09-07-2010 7:02pm

Interesting that Northumbria Police have been looking for 6 days without any luck, but The Met come up to the North-East for one day and find him within 12 hours.

:rolleyes:

Overkill UK Police?!

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