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    #92
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    You being a Shinner nothing I write will do

    Try Google for all the answers you need

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article714366.ece



    What has the Real IRA got to do with Sinn Féin, might I ask?


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    #93
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    What has the Real IRA got to do with Sinn Féin, might I ask?

    RIRA was once PIRA and Mr Adams was the boss

    Simple History search will teach you that


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    #94
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    RIRA was once PIRA and Mr Adams was the boss

    Simple History search will teach you that

    So Gerry Adams is responsible for the actions of the Real IRA? Is this the point that you are trying to make?


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    #95
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    So Gerry Adams is responsible for the actions of the Real IRA? Is this the point that you are trying to make?

    Just an answer to a question your mate asked

    You should work in SF, you have a skill for moving the topic away from the issue , good work

    What about Garda McCabe


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    #96
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    Just an answer to a question your mate asked

    I asked you what the Real IRA have to do with Sinn Féin.

    The correct answer is "nothing". Do you actually know why the Real IRA was created? Uncle dlofnep will tell you - since you don't seem to be too savvy on the topic. The PIRA engaged in the peace-process, and the GFA. Those who did not want to move forward with the Good Friday Agreement and the peace process, created the Real IRA - to engage in an armed campaign. Gerry Adams has about as much to do with the Real IRA as Ian Paisley does.
    Winty wrote: »
    You should work in SF, you have a skill for moving the topic away from the issue , good work

    I don't remember moving away from any topic. The current topic is Gerry Adams discussing the Government, is it not?
    Winty wrote: »
    What about Garda McCabe

    What about him? Was there a specific question you wanted answered?


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    #97
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    anymore wrote: »
    He is a foreign politician, just like Cameron. They both take the Queens' Shilling. Of course Cameroon isnt wealthy enough to afford a holiday home in Donegal like our 'Socialist ' Mr Adams.

    well he has written a copuple of books, so I'd imagine he could afford a nice holiday home in Donegal. Many people in the last ten years did, or at least tried to. It was not really a big deal in Ireland to have more than one property, regardless of political background, so what's your point? I am sure there were/are many Labour politicans from well paid professions, are they are less left wing/socialist minded because he/she has a nice car or apartment in Dublin?

    Love the partionist mindframe btw. Being an Irish citizen doesn't seem to wash with you. I suppose you would have being one of many who had issue with a "foreinger" when McAleese ran and won the election for Presidency, or what about Fine Gael's Austin Currie. I suppose you wouldn't say that about John Hume would you?


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    #98
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    Winty wrote: »
    RIRA was once PIRA and Mr Adams was the boss

    Simple History search will teach you that

    respectively, maybe if you put down the "simple history" book and look and how and why these organisations split from each other along with CIRA et all, maybe then you will get an answer and be able to spot the difference. Different groups of personnel altogether. It wasn't all black and white, but sure, what do you expect from Southerners (I am one btw)


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    #99
    Exile 1798
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Exile 1798


    Winty wrote: »
    You being a Shinner nothing I write will do

    Try Google for all the answers you need

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article714366.ece

    In other words you lied.

    You made a completely false claim, which you probably made up on the spot.


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    #100
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    I don't remember moving away from any topic. The current topic is Gerry Adams discussing the Government, is it not? What about him? Was there a specific question you wanted answered?

    Does Ireland want help from Mr Adams, the man in charge of a gang who killed an on duty Garda


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    #101
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    Does Ireland want help from Mr Adams, the man in charge of a gang who killed an on duty Garda

    Gerry Adams was not in charge of a gang who killed an on duty Garda. Where is your evidence for this?


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    #102
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    Exile 1798 wrote: »
    In other words you lied.

    You made a completely false claim, which you probably made up on the spot.

    What Lie?

    Because the facts dont suit you twisted IRA support you get mad and called me a liar


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    #103
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Gerry Adams was not in charge of a gang who killed an on duty Garda. Where is your evidence for this?

    Yes OK your right, Mr Adams was never in the IRA


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    #104
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    What Lie?

    Because the facts dont suit you twisted IRA support you get mad and called me a liar

    You haven't stated fact. You posted an article about the Real IRA, which has nothing to do with Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams. You're clearly out of your depths here and don't have a clue about even the basics of republican groups, splits, and it's history. Don't come on here trying to preach history to us when you lack knowledge on even the most basic issues.


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    #105
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    walrusgumble wrote: »
    respectively, maybe if you put down the "simple history" book and look and how and why these organisations split from each other along with CIRA et all, maybe then you will get an answer and be able to spot the difference. Different groups of personnel altogether. It wasn't all black and white, but sure, what do you expect from Southerners (I am one btw)

    I was born and raised in Derry, had a great view in the 80's


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    #106
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    Yes OK your right, Mr Adams was never in the IRA

    He actually wasn't. He was a political figure from the very beginning, and was never actually engaged in armed conflict. But then - you being the expert and everything..


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    #107
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    dlofnep wrote: »
    You haven't stated fact. You posted an article about the Real IRA, which has nothing to do with Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams. You're clearly out of your depths here and don't have a clue about even the basics of republican groups, splits, and it's history. Don't come on here trying to preach history to us when you lack knowledge on even the most basic issues.

    Clearly he skipped the many chapter of several books written by his friend Ed Maloney oh well (not you dlofnep but the person you were directly replying to)

    Still, I do believe Adams was a senior member of the Army at one time or another and possibly at least knew about things. Would it really have hurt him by coming out saying he was a member of the IRA? It has not affected McGuinness or even Gerry Kelly. Btw the latter two having made it crystal clear their positions about the Peace Process. Lets say Adams WAS head hancho, imagine the worse carnage would have occurred if his influence was completely ignored within the Republican circles, afterall, even Maloney accepted that Adams, a very long time ago truely believed that political and peaceful methods were the only way to go, alas going down a long and rocky road to convince other senior men like Hughes and co. But sure, lets not get those small facts interfere with the usual straw man argument coming from the likes of certain establishments in the South. Who suggested the UUP? Jesus talking about short memories there.


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    #108
    Exile 1798
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    Winty wrote: »
    What Lie?

    Because the facts dont suit you twisted IRA support you get mad and called me a liar

    This lie, right here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=65910840&postcount=44

    When challenged you started mouthing off about Shinners and posted a link to a completely unrelated matter, perhaps naively hoping that no one would bother to actually read it.

    I would suggest you just leave your original lie as is, and not continue to lie about your lie.


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    #109
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    You haven't stated fact. You posted an article about the Real IRA, which has nothing to do with Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams. You're clearly out of your depths here and don't have a clue about even the basics of republican groups, splits, and it's history. Don't come on here trying to preach history to us when you lack knowledge on even the most basic issues.

    I am sorry if I upset you.

    All the books you read in Waterford has giving you a paper based knowledge that others in your little private gang on boards like to debate.

    Mr Adams and his group are not the saints you hold so high.

    Has Mr Adams ever done anything wrong in your eyes


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    #110
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    you being the expert and everything..

    I am no Expert far from It, Are you


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    #111
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    I am sorry if I upset you.

    You haven't upset me. You've amused me if anything.
    Winty wrote: »
    All the books you read in Waterford has giving you a paper based knowledge that others in your little private gang on boards like to debate.

    Considering you're unable to differentiate the PIRA from the RIRA, I'd sad you're in no position to make such a statement.


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    #112
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    I am no Expert far from It

    You've demonstrated that very clearly.


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    #113
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    Winty wrote: »
    I was born and raised in Derry, had a great view in the 80's

    Well, respectively, you would think you'd know better in telling the difference between each of the groups and the type of personnell in the said groups then.


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    #114
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    walrusgumble wrote: »
    Well, respectively, you would think you'd know better in telling the difference between each of the groups and the type of personnell in the said groups then.

    Its not easy, trust me the lines are not black and white. Some members jump from one to another and back again. Its not like membership of a golf club

    Good Question BTW


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    #115
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    You've demonstrated that very clearly.

    A man still has the right to speak and you have the right not to listen


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    #116
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    Its not easy, trust me the lines are not black and white.

    The lines are pretty black and white. One supports the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement. The other does not. From someone who's involved in Republican politics - I can tell you, that there is a very clear line between the groups.


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    #117
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    Winty wrote: »
    Its not easy, trust me the lines are not black and white. Some members jump from one to another and back again. Its not like membership of a golf club

    Good Question BTW

    completely fair enough. I am at least glad to see people do realise that these things were not and are not black and white.


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    #118
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The lines are pretty black and white. One supports the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement. The other does not. From someone who's involved in Republican politics - I can tell you, that there is a very clear line between the groups.

    Your talking policy, people jump ship and back again with speed and ease.


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    #119
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The lines are pretty black and white. One supports the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement. The other does not. From someone who's involved in Republican politics - I can tell you, that there is a very clear line between the groups.

    hmmm, I would be of that view (ie one for the GF and other clearly not) but what about the low rankers who might get a bit impatient with the political parties, all I'd say is, I surely would not want to be in the senior circles of Sinn Fein at this time, wouldn't have the balls for it. look what happened to Mitchell McLoughlin not too long ago. hopefully my concern is unneccessary.

    Anyway, back to the topic at hand, lets not fall into the usual pit falls when Mr Adams is mentioned. If I was a Sinn Fein activist, I would be calling on the senior heads to explain or tell me (I am sure they are doing it already) why Sinn Fein are the alternative, to even Labour. What is their solution to dealing with two clearly different minded Jurisdictions regarding the economy (look I know a nation is more than wealth, but you know full well, if it was up in the north, there wouldn't be too much to sing "the sash my father wore" or "wrap the green flag around me" if a person of the Republican background was sharing the same dole queue as an ardent unionist - the one time all are equal) Any one would much prefer to see a leader of the opposition spend more time on why they are the leaders we need and not the negative campaigning - remember Noonan's FIne Gael with their big publicity posters circa 2002 general elections concentrating on slagging off the government. Its not constructive to spend all that time doing it. Mary Lou shot herself in the foot during the last European Elections saying lets get them (ie government - which as we all know, FF don't do well in European Elections) Remember Green Party saying "time is now". TIme for what I asked.


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    #120
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    A man still has the right to speak and you have the right not to listen

    You do have a right to speak - I never contended that. But when you preach complete and utter lies, then I have the right to challenge it. And when you can't even discern the difference between pro and anti-GFA republican groups - you should try avoid coming in with guns blazing, making accusations.


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    #121
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Winty wrote: »
    Your talking policy, people jump ship and back again with speed and ease.

    Actually, they don't. I know many people on a personal level who have left Sinn Féin, and have no intentions of ever coming back. It's a make or break moment for them - and they stick to it. There is no jumping forward and back.


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