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Adams: Government has to go

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    #32
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Winty wrote: »
    Correct, but it was not until the Boys got their pension paid in cash that the guns was put away for Good*


    * lets wait and see, we are not safe yet

    So now you're claiming - on top of the idea that the robbery was permitted - that the verification process was a farce?


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    #33
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Nodin wrote: »
    So now you're claiming - on top of the idea that the robbery was permitted - that the verification process was a farce?

    Hold on there, I want to get some popocorn. We have a live one... :D


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    #34
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    Nodin wrote: »
    So now you're claiming - on top of the idea that the robbery was permitted - that the verification process was a farce?

    The PIRA wanted cash from both the British and Irish Gov.

    They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

    Simple, they get cash we peace (but the odd knee capping was still allowed)


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    #35
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Winty wrote: »
    The PIRA wanted cash from both the British and Irish Gov.

    They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

    Simple, they get cash we peace (but the odd knee capping was still allowed)

    So explain the exhaustive police investigation and the treatment dished out to Chris Ward?


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    #36
    LordSutch
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Gerry Adams has said the Government of this country has to go.

    Who cares what he thinks, its not even his Government :rolleyes:


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    #37
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Camelot wrote: »
    Who cares what he thinks, its not even his Government :rolleyes:

    So no-one outside cabinet is entitled to an opinion?

    Thanks for clearing that up


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    #38
    mike65
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    I suppose if they smuggled Cowen across the border in the boot of car and blew his head off it would be a start...a small start but hey!


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    #39
    LordSutch
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    mike65 wrote: »
    I suppose if they smuggled Cowen across the border in the boot of car and blew his head off it would be a start...a small start but hey!

    If only, but Adams & his boys don't do that kind of thing anymore ;)


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    #40
    Nodin
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    Winty wrote: »
    The PIRA wanted cash from both the British and Irish Gov.

    They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

    Dear me. What "boys" went to live in spain, and do you have a source for that please?


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    #41
    aDeener
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    Winty wrote: »
    You make a strong case as to why FF should go.
    Yes we do need a new leadership to try and get Ireland back on track but I dont want Mr Adams telling how thing should be done. I will listen to people from the SDLP or the Ulster Unionist Party before I want some terrorist telling the Irish how to run the state.

    lol you would like bigots telling us what to do? :rolleyes:


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    #42
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    Nodin wrote: »
    Dear me.

    If you are from the North you will remember that the PIRA was one of the biggest employers in the 1980's

    Forcing money from Business people was a good earner


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    #43
    rightwingdub
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    Gerry Adams should made Minister for Child Protection, he really helped his niece when she needed it:rolleyes:


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    #44
    Nodin
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    Winty wrote: »
    If you are from the North you will remember that the PIRA was one of the biggest employers in the 1980's

    Forcing money from Business people was a good earner

    That wasn't what I asked you. You made a claim

    They could not in the eyes of the yanks be seen dealing with terrorists so the Ulster Bank was allowed to be done over so the boys could go and live in Spain.

    What "boys" went to live in Spain and where is your source for that claim?


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    #45
    Exile 1798
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    Winty wrote: »
    You make a strong case as to why FF should go.
    Yes we do need a new leadership to try and get Ireland back on track but I dont want Mr Adams telling how thing should be done. I will listen to people from the SDLP or the Ulster Unionist Party before I want some terrorist telling the Irish how to run the state.

    The same Irish state that was founded by "terrorists"?

    That's a bit rich. Surely Adams, being a "terrorist" is uniquely qualified to comment on affairs of the Irish Sate, created after a bloody campaign of "terrorism."


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    #46
    Exile 1798
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    lugha wrote: »
    If only Gerry would save his opinions for the parliament to which he has been elected :rolleyes:

    Is there any good reason why he should?


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    #47
    A Primal Nut
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    joolsveer wrote: »
    I think Adams has to go. As an unelected person who resides outside the state he has no right to make demands about our government.

    What? You can't have an opinion about the government unless you are elected? :confused: Are you elected?


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    #48
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Exile 1798 wrote: »
    Is there any good reason why he should?
    For the same reason David Cameron or any other MP should. It is discourteous for a politician with a mandate in one state to be commenting on the internal political affairs of another state. Sinn Fein have plenty of public representatives in the republic if they feel inclined to share their economic wisdom with us.


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    #49
    dlofnep
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    lugha wrote: »
    If only Gerry would save his opinions for the parliament to which he has been elected :rolleyes:

    Ah yes, a red herring for breakfast. Just as well, I was feeling a bit peckish.

    Gerry is the leader of Sinn Féin - A party which is represented in all 32 counties of Ireland. It's irrelevant as to where he is elected.


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    Exile 1798
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    lugha wrote: »
    For the same reason David Cameron or any other MP should. It is discourteous for a politician with a mandate in one state to be commenting on the internal political affairs of another state. Sinn Fein have plenty of public representatives in the republic if they feel inclined to share their economic wisdom with us.

    Indeed SF do have a lot of represtives in the Republic. They are infact the only political party organised in everyone of Ireland's 32 Counties.

    Gerry Adams is the Leader of this all-Ireland party, I would think it very strange if he didn't comment on issues affecting the Republic.

    I don't doubt for a moment that there are plenty of petty or silly reasons why you think the leadership of Sinn Féin should make no comment on the Fianna Fáil government's record, but as I said I'm quite doubtful you could come up with any good ones.


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    #51
    dermothickey
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    anymore wrote: »
    In farness his party wasnt aligned with terrorists; SF were the junior political wing ! And Adams was on the Army Council - the only person in the whole wide world who doesnt know that is apparently Gerry Adams himself !

    Do you really believe that Gerry adams was on the army council of The I.R.A. Think of it a guy who was followed around bugged, and on camera 24 hours a day for the past 35 years was sitting around having meetings continously with the chief staff?, The most secretive army council in the world? Crap all baseless lies.

    He is a politician who has managed to help bring peace to the island of Ireland. Without his influence there would be no peace agreement. Wake up people and stop demonising people. What's in the past is in the past.

    He made a simple statement which majority of the people on this Island would agree with. Anyone can see he tells the truth, we are left leaderless with cowen and crew.


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    #52
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    dermothickey wrote: »
    Do you really believe that Gerry adams was on the army council of The I.R.A. Think of it a guy who was followed around bugged, and on camera 24 hours a day for the past 35 years was sitting around having meetings continously with the chief staff?, The most secretive army council in the world? Crap all baseless lies.

    He is a politician who has managed to help bring peace to the island of Ireland. Without his influence there would be no peace agreement. Wake up people and stop demonising people. What's in the past is in the past.

    He made a simple statement which majority of the people on this Island would agree with. Anyone can see he tells the truth, we are left leaderless with cowen and crew.

    In a word 'Yes'
    So are you saying Brendan Hughes was making it all up about Gerry Adams ?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0330/1224267343063.html
    This allegation, and others, has resurfaced in Voices From The Grave by former Irish Times Northern Editor Ed Moloney.
    The book contains testimony from former IRA commander and former close colleague of Gerry Adams, Brendan Hughes, who died in 2008.


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    #53
    dermothickey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 489 ✭✭dermothickey


    Very hard to believe, just look at it logically. The continous hassle the man and his family got from the special's the continous bugging trying in vain to catch him out and convict him. The most surveilled man in Ireland, cameras on him 24 hours a day. Interviews with t.v continously, far too busy a man to be running the provo's. It's not in the job list for being on the army council. The provisionals wouldn't have a man like that on such a small army council.


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    #54
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    dermothickey wrote: »
    Very hard to believe, just look at it logically. The continous hassle the man and his family got from the special's the continous bugging trying in vain to catch him out and convict him. The most surveilled man in Ireland, cameras on him 24 hours a day. Interviews with t.v continously, far too busy a man to be running the provo's. It's not in the job list for being on the army council. The provisionals wouldn't have a man like that on such a small army council.
    Thats a funny post ! Why were the ' specials' spending so much time keeping an eye on him ? :D


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    #55
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    lugha wrote: »
    For the same reason David Cameron or any other MP should. It is discourteous for a politician with a mandate in one state to be commenting on the internal political affairs of another state. Sinn Fein have plenty of public representatives in the republic if they feel inclined to share their economic wisdom with us.

    APRD65.jpg

    Does David Cameron's party have representation across the 32 counties of Ireland? No. Your comparison is ridiculous. I'd expect more from you Lugha.


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    #56
    dermothickey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 489 ✭✭dermothickey


    anymore wrote: »
    Thats a funny post ! Why were the ' specials' spending so much time keeping an eye on him ? :D

    Apparently looking for inspiration :cool:


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    #57
    eoinbn
    Registered Users Posts: 791 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    dermothickey wrote: »
    Do you really believe that Gerry adams was on the army council of The I.R.A. Think of it a guy who was followed around bugged, and on camera 24 hours a day for the past 35 years was sitting around having meetings continously with the chief staff?, The most secretive army council in the world? Crap all baseless lies.

    He is a politician who has managed to help bring peace to the island of Ireland. Without his influence there would be no peace agreement. Wake up people and stop demonising people. What's in the past is in the past.

    He made a simple statement which majority of the people on this Island would agree with. Anyone can see he tells the truth, we are left leaderless with cowen and crew.

    OK.... so Adams wasn't on the army council because it would be impossible for him to met his colleagues? If that is true then how is it possible for him to negotiate on behalf of a group that he never met or never had contact with?

    As for the topic at hand: is it really news worthy?


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    #58
    anymore
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    APRD65.jpg

    Does David Cameron's party have representation across the 32 counties of Ireland? No. Your comparison is ridiculous. I'd expect more from you Lugha.

    He is a foreign politician, just like Cameron. They both take the Queens' Shilling. Of course Cameroon isnt wealthy enough to afford a holiday home in Donegal like our 'Socialist ' Mr Adams.


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    #59
    dermothickey
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    eoinbn wrote: »
    OK.... so Adams wasn't on the army council because it would be impossible for him to met his colleagues? If that is true then how is it possible for him to negotiate on behalf of a group that he never met or never had contact with?

    As for the topic at hand: is it really news worthy?

    No-one ever said he didn't have Contact. There are ways of getting messages through to the right people with the right know how.:cool: What we do know is that the army council played out a long game and decided the time was ripe for negotiations which is what they were looking for since the 70's. When Major decided to sit down and chat he did, and what came from all this is a peace agreement and a brighter future for all. This is what is important. We all know the history of Northern Ireland and let's be glad that there is now finally a power-sharing executive. Let's just see how the new british administration team will deal with the new arrangements, considering Cameron's sneaky dealings with the UUP backfired.


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    #60
    anymore
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    dermothickey wrote: »
    No-one ever said he didn't have Contact. There are ways of getting messages through to the right people with the right know how.:cool: What we do know is that the army council played out a long game and decided the time was ripe for negotiations which is what they were looking for since the 70's. When Major decided to sit down and chat he did, and what came from all this is a peace agreement and a brighter future for all. This is what is important. We all know the history of Northern Ireland and let's be glad that there is now finally a power-sharing executive. Let's just see how the new british administration team will deal with the new arrangements, considering Cameron's sneaky dealings with the UUP backfired.

    Adams and the IRA were negotiating with Margret Thatcher !
    The only value Adams ever had in the talks was his membership of the Council.
    It doesnt matter how long SF people deny it, we know the truth, the whole world knows the truth, well some of it.
    Are you saying Brendan Hughes was not telling the truth ?


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    #61
    dlofnep
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    anymore wrote: »
    He is a foreign politician, just like Cameron.

    When David Cameron holds an Irish passport, and is the leader of a party which represents all 32 counties of Ireland - we'll talk. Until then, you can save your red herrings for lunch.


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