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22-09-2009 1:40pm#1
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janullrich wrote: »Convenience is king. I paid £450 for Total Fitness and only use it once or twice a week but since it is on my way to work and its facilities are good I think I have got good value for money. No offence B-builder but you are a exception to the rule. Most people use the gym/swimming pool maybe 3 times a week at most. Westpoint seems bad value for money and the joining fee is a joke. As for Northwood I would be prepared to spend twice as much going to a decent gym then join any of Ben Dunnes "sardine clubs"
Hi Jan
Totally agree with the convenience statement. This is what decided me on Westwood mostly. It's on my way home from work. So I get off the bus in fairview and go to the gym. If I went home first and then had to go to the gym, I know I could and would at times find excuses not to go
The reason for my last post was that in my experience over the last year I did not agree with any of the points that ihatewestwood posted and I responded to each of his points in my reply. I just wanted to give my view and experience of Westwood Clontarf. Everybody has and is entitled to their own opinion, ihatewestwood expressed his and I expressed mine.
I do not consider the gym to be dirty and have on numerous occasions seen the cleaning staff vacuuming the floors, cleaning down the machines and water fonts etc.
I have also seen members not wiping down benches, machines etc when they are finished. Leaving weight plates and dumbells etc laying where they were using them and not bothering to put them back. Spitting in the gym and changing rooms.
Another poster mentioned that the carpets were "showing their age", another point I would not agree with. And if they are indeed in place for 11 years, then with the amount of feet that walk across them on a daily basis over an 11 year period, I am amazed that they are in such good condition. This poster also complained about the gents toilets being "rank" and the urinals being "always on the blink" and "Smelly" and the showers being the same.
Again I would disagree with these comments. Yes, I have on two or maybe three occasions in my year there seen all the mens urinals covered over with black sacks, but this does not constitute "always on the blink" in my book. And as for "smelly" well that's just not the case. And the showers are also clean and not smelly. Again I have seen the cleaning staff hose and scrub out the shower cubicles on a regularly. The only issue I have found with the showers is that in some cubicles you have to keep hitting the button on the wall to keep the water flowing, where as in others the water seems to flow for longer with each push. This is a small irritation and easily overcome by always (as much as possible) using cubicles that I know have good water flow. I do not see this as a reason to come onto a public forum and slate the gym.
The "Pay scales" referred to is similar to what you find in many Chemists and is not simply a scales. It provides a printout of BMI, BF% and possibly BP I think. There is a free scales in the gym proper.
And on the subject of price, I know and understand that there is a recession on, However I also understand that Westwoods main function is as a business, and therefore to make money. Personally for me, going 6 times per week it works out as I said at €2.88 per day. And even if I only went 3 times, that still less than €6 per day. This is still less than 1 trip to a local swimming pool, or a nutrition-less sandwich and a fizzy drink from most shops, or 20 cigarettes etc.
Yes €900 sounds expensive and if I had to pay it all up front I would probably struggle. And yes there are cheaper alternatives around. So in the end it will come down to personal preference and convenience.
Again as I mentioned everybody is entitled to their opinion and I do not intend to continue challenging negative comments about Westwood or getting into arguments on the subject. I simply wanted to give the opinion of someone who has had a positive experience with Westwood Clontarf.
Best Regards,
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Hi Jan
Totally agree with the convenience statement. This is what decided me on Westwood mostly. It's on my way home from work. So I get off the bus in fairview and go to the gym. If I went home first and then had to go to the gym, I know I could and would at times find excuses not to go
The reason for my last post was that in my experience over the last year I did not agree with any of the points that ihatewestwood posted and I responded to each of his points in my reply. I just wanted to give my view and experience of Westwood Clontarf. Everybody has and is entitled to their own opinion, ihatewestwood expressed his and I expressed mine.
I do not consider the gym to be dirty and have on numerous occasions seen the cleaning staff vacuuming the floors, cleaning down the machines and water fonts etc.
I have also seen members not wiping down benches, machines etc when they are finished. Leaving weight plates and dumbells etc laying where they were using them and not bothering to put them back. Spitting in the gym and changing rooms.
Another poster mentioned that the carpets were "showing their age", another point I would not agree with. And if they are indeed in place for 11 years, then with the amount of feet that walk across them on a daily basis over an 11 year period, I am amazed that they are in such good condition. This poster also complained about the gents toilets being "rank" and the urinals being "always on the blink" and "Smelly" and the showers being the same.
Again I would disagree with these comments. Yes, I have on two or maybe three occasions in my year there seen all the mens urinals covered over with black sacks, but this does not constitute "always on the blink" in my book. And as for "smelly" well that's just not the case. And the showers are also clean and not smelly. Again I have seen the cleaning staff hose and scrub out the shower cubicles on a regularly. The only issue I have found with the showers is that in some cubicles you have to keep hitting the button on the wall to keep the water flowing, where as in others the water seems to flow for longer with each push. This is a small irritation and easily overcome by always (as much as possible) using cubicles that I know have good water flow. I do not see this as a reason to come onto a public forum and slate the gym.
The "Pay scales" referred to is similar to what you find in many Chemists and is not simply a scales. It provides a printout of BMI, BF% and possibly BP I think. There is a free scales in the gym proper.
And on the subject of price, I know and understand that there is a recession on, However I also understand that Westwoods main function is as a business, and therefore to make money. Personally for me, going 6 times per week it works out as I said at €2.88 per day. And even if I only went 3 times, that still less than €6 per day. This is still less than 1 trip to a local swimming pool, or a nutrition-less sandwich and a fizzy drink from most shops, or 20 cigarettes etc.
Yes €900 sounds expensive and if I had to pay it all up front I would probably struggle. And yes there are cheaper alternatives around. So in the end it will come down to personal preference and convenience.
Again as I mentioned everybody is entitled to their opinion and I do not intend to continue challenging negative comments about Westwood or getting into arguments on the subject. I simply wanted to give the opinion of someone who has had a positive experience with Westwood Clontarf.
Best Regards,
M
you dont work there do you!!
The toilets are rank and have had "those" black bags over the urinals way more than 3 times(i train 6 days a week), the carpets are dirty and if members are paying 900 + a year - the gym should be in tip top condition! inclusive of clean carpets and free weights! lets not forget either about letting all the decent fitness instructors go and bringing in foreign imports as replacements and then there would be training routines given to members, a quick 10 - 15 minute introduction routine where they show you how to do the exercise once and maybe might give the member a chance to do the specific exercise with correct form(once!!!) and thats a maybe. They just want members to sign up for personal training sessions, i find this somewhat dangerous to new members with no experience in a gym aat least take them through a full routine when joining! What else - the main carpark is constantly full at the weekends due to the parties in barcode, you would think members would be given priority here(like it was a couple of years ago). Also in regard to the cleaning staff, up to say a year ago there was usually somebody cleaning the machines with a cloth and spray, even the fitness instructors used to help out and do this - this has most definitely stopped, probably due to westowood letting some of these staff go!!! to sum things up: the price went up last year but the standard went down quite a bit!0 -
you dont work there do you!!
No. I actually work for a Telecoms company in Clonskeagh. I am an IT engineer.The toilets are rank and have had "those" black bags over the urinals way more than 3 times
We will have to agree to disagree on the "Rankness" of the toilets and I personally have only seen all the urinals covered up about 3 times in my year there. I have on occasion seen one or two covered up, like last night there was one covered up. But I have never seen a situation where there was a queue waiting to use the facilities(I train 6 days a week),
So do I. Every day except Friday. Week days at peak time, between 18:00 and 20:30 and at weekends early morning, 09:30 - 10:00 ish.the carpets are dirty and if members are paying 900 + a year - the gym should be in tip top condition! inclusive of clean carpets and free weights!
Like me you work out 6 times a week, so our €900 fee equates to €2.88 aprox for each visit. Maybe I just have lower expections of what I am entitled to for €2.88. I don't expect the Waldorf Astoria.
€2.88 give me access to a spacious reasonably well equipped gym, a wide range of classes mostly free of charge, Free parking (if you drive and can get into the car park), a 25m and 50m pool, Jacuzzi, Sauna, Steam room & showers and access to PT's who I can ask questions of. Pretty good value in my opinion.
lets not forget either about letting all the decent fitness instructors go and bringing in foreign imports as replacements
Yes they did let some of their trainers go last year and yes some of them were very good at their job. There were two new female instructors brought in that I know of. Emily a Canadian living here and Tine (I am not sure where she is from). Also yesterday I was there earlier than usual and there was a male instructor there that I had never seen before.and then there would be training routines given to members, a quick 10 - 15 minute introduction routine where they show you how to do the exercise once and maybe might give the member a chance to do the specific exercise with correct form(once!!!) and thats a maybe.
I would imagine that this is pretty standard practice is all of the large commercial gyms around. I was also given one of these inductions. The instructor showed me how I should do each exercise and then watched me as I attempted the same and corrected me if my form was incorrect. I have also called them over on a number of occasions just to check my form and they have always been only too happy to help.They just want members to sign up for personal training sessions
How strange. A business that wants to make money by selling a service to its custoomers.I find this somewhat dangerous to new members with no experience in a gym, at least take them through a full routine when joining!
As I said I think this is the standard practice in most of the big commercial gyms around and I was taken through both routines I was given in the gym.
A point I would make is that I have on a number of occasions seen guys & gals in the gym lifting with incorrect form and have seen some of the trainers pass by and not correct them. This is something that I wish did not happen. I would like to see the trainers correct folks who are lifting wrong.What else - the main carpark is constantly full at the weekends due to the parties in barcode, you would think members would be given priority here(like it was a couple of years ago).
I go to the gym at around 10:30 on Saturdays and 09:30 on Sundays and have never seen the car park full at this time. Granted when I am leaving at around 14:00 then the carpark would be pretty full/full by then.Also in regard to the cleaning staff, up to say a year ago there was usually somebody cleaning the machines with a cloth and spray, even the fitness instructors used to help out and do this - this has most definitely stopped, probably due to westowood letting some of these staff go!!!
I have seen on my time in the gym the cleaning staff wiping down the machines. I have never seen the trainers wiping down machines, but then I don't suppose that many neuro surgeons set up the theatere before an operation. They were employed to do a job not as general dogs bodies.to sum things up: the price went up last year but the standard went down quite a bit!
Again that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. For €2.88 a time, all I want is a place with enough equipment to get a decent workout in, where I feel comfortable and that is convenient to me. In my opinion the facilities that are available to me for €2.88 are well worth it and check all my boxes. Could the place be imporved? of course it could but in my opinion it is not as bad a some folks make out.
Now, in the words of Bugs Bunny, eh that's all folks
Best Regards,
M
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No. I actually work for a Telecoms company in Clonskeagh. I am an IT engineer.
We will have to agree to disagree on the "Rankness" of the toilets and I personally have only seen all the urinals covered up about 3 times in my year there. I have on occasion seen one or two covered up, like last night there was one covered up. But I have never seen a situation where there was a queue waiting to use the facilities
So do I. Every day except Friday. Week days at peak time, between 18:00 and 20:30 and at weekends early morning, 09:30 - 10:00 ish.
Like me you work out 6 times a week, so our €900 fee equates to €2.88 aprox for each visit. Maybe I just have lower expections of what I am entitled to for €2.88. I don't expect the Waldorf Astoria.
€2.88 give me access to a spacious reasonably well equipped gym, a wide range of classes mostly free of charge, Free parking (if you drive and can get into the car park), a 25m and 50m pool, Jacuzzi, Sauna, Steam room & showers and access to PT's who I can ask questions of. Pretty good value in my opinion.
Yes they did let some of their trainers go last year and yes some of them were very good at their job. There were two new female instructors brought in that I know of. Emily a Canadian living here and Tine (I am not sure where she is from). Also yesterday I was there earlier than usual and there was a male instructor there that I had never seen before.
I would imagine that this is pretty standard practice is all of the large commercial gyms around. I was also given one of these inductions. The instructor showed me how I should do each exercise and then watched me as I attempted the same and corrected me if my form was incorrect. I have also called them over on a number of occasions just to check my form and they have always been only too happy to help.
How strange. A business that wants to make money by selling a service to its custoomers.
As I said I think this is the standard practice in most of the big commercial gyms around and I was taken through both routines I was given in the gym.
A point I would make is that I have on a number of occasions seen guys & gals in the gym lifting with incorrect form and have seen some of the trainers pass by and not correct them. This is something that I wish did not happen. I would like to see the trainers correct folks who are lifting wrong.
I go to the gym at around 10:30 on Saturdays and 09:30 on Sundays and have never seen the car park full at this time. Granted when I am leaving at around 14:00 then the carpark would be pretty full/full by then.
I have seen on my time in the gym the cleaning staff wiping down the machines. I have never seen the trainers wiping down machines, but then I don't suppose that many neuro surgeons set up the theatere before an operation. They were employed to do a job not as general dogs bodies.
Again that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. For €2.88 a time, all I want is a place with enough equipment to get a decent workout in, where I feel comfortable and that is convenient to me. In my opinion the facilities that are available to me for €2.88 are well worth it and check all my boxes. Could the place be imporved? of course it could but in my opinion it is not as bad a some folks make out.
Now, in the words of Bugs Bunny, eh that's all folks
Best Regards,
M
you go into amazing detail, as for the 2.88 a day , well i have found a place which has a bigger free weights area, near enough the same amount of machines, a 25 m pool with sauna, steam room, also some classes(couldntcare less) and is way cleaner etc etc for 44c per day!
and to refer to another poster, i couldnt give a damn how dirty a gym was, ive trained in hardcore gyms that were falling apart in OZ with used syringes in the dressing room but the point being i wasnt paying 900 a year, anyway im out of this post!
oh yeah and my new gym has less than 100 members - suits me fine!!!0 -
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