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The dreaded National ID card is on the way. Say no more.

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    #62
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Stekelly wrote: »
    A cop can already access your criminal record. Why would he want you medical one?(btw any cop that wants my medical record is welcome to it, he'll I'll post the details here if anyone wants them)

    Your bank card doesnt hold your account transactions,why would this.

    As for the last bit, if a card can record what I'm eating and a cop is interested in wasting his time reading through such info, then again, he can have it.



    Whats the point of an id card that people dont carry? You can hardly identify yourself if it's at home.



    I'm actually after a seperate Run_to_da_hills one in case I ever want to rummage through conspiracy theories without haveing to see the really wacky ****.
    Entering a foreign country, in particularly the USA in this climate would be a worry for some to have such information held on just one card


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    #63
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Entering a foreign country, in particularly the USA in this climate would be a worry for some to have such information held on just one card

    For some who need to hide such info. The states have required certain info for the last while and the list is always growing. It's their country, if they want you to enter the country in nothing bu8t your underwear and bring no luggage thats their choice. Your choice is to go there or not.

    I'll tell anyone who wants it whatever info they want, they dont have to bother scanning anythign belonging to me.


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    #64
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Entering a foreign country, in particularly the USA in this climate would be a worry for some to have such information held on just one card

    Why would you feel compelled to bring a national ID card to the USA?
    Surely your international ID or passport would be sufficient?
    You could always leave the national ID card (along with the info on how
    many weetabix you ate) at home.

    If a national ID card decreases crime, fraud, illegal immigration and
    reduces the amount of cards in my wallet I'll happily sign up.


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    #65
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Stekelly wrote: »
    A cop can already access your criminal record. Why would he want you medical one?(btw any cop that wants my medical record is welcome to it, he'll I'll post the details here if anyone wants them)

    Your bank card doesnt hold your account transactions,why would this.

    As for the last bit, if a card can record what I'm eating and a cop is interested in wasting his time reading through such info, then again, he can have it.



    Whats the point of an id card that people dont carry? You can hardly identify yourself if it's at home.



    I'm actually after a seperate Run_to_da_hills one in case I ever want to rummage through conspiracy theories without haveing to see the really wacky ****.
    It is the unknown that would be the concern, this card is taken off you at an international airport or some security check, you basically haven't a clue of what information is being passed on The US would be one of my biggest concerns


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    #66
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Gran Hermano wrote: »
    Why would you feel compelled to bring a national ID card to the USA?
    Surely your international ID or passport would be sufficient?
    You could always leave the national ID card (along with the info on how
    many weetabix you ate) at home.

    If a national ID card decreases crime, fraud, illegal immigration and
    reduces the amount of cards in my wallet I'll happily sign up.
    Plenty of reasons one would bring an officilaay recognised credit card ID card abroad with them, as I mentioned it would take nothing for the Government to make this into a driving license. It will no doubt be Euro compatible which would in turn be US compatible. (as they have access to ALL our digital records as we learned last month) Passports are a bulky and dated form of documentation fore most, visas are now becoming "electronic", I could well see conventional “book “ passports being phased out


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    #67
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Info such as...

    Someone that was arrested at a demonstration at Shannon Airport for some minor offense that may have some interest to the US authorities. That person more than likely will be on the next plane back when he arrives at JFK.


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    #68
    Savman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Run_to_da_hills, just turn yourself in.


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    #69
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,921 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This breed of a card will track all your movements electronically. I.E You use it at the tax office or any government building, crossing borders, driving a car, cashing a cheque, travelling on a bus, when ever stopped by the cops, purchasing alcohol or entering a pub etc. an electronic print out could be made of all the times it has been scanned

    The current license used by Irish motorists is just a bit of paper with a photo and dose not have any multi purpose tracking ability. If you produce the current license more than likely the authorities will just look at it and hand it back.

    Yeah so whats the problem? Less counterfeiting of licenses can only be a good thing: it starts with lower counts of underage drinking and moves onto safer roads.

    However Unless theres a mass Upgrade to the infrastructure (HA!) I dont see how this card will track your driving (GPS?) Track you entering a pub or purchasing alcohol, etc. uness of course its tied in with your credit card but ive skipped reams of this thread for brevity.

    Credit Cards already log when you make an electronic purchase so I dont see the problem there. Their hardly going to issue scanners to every pub and club in ireland to swipe you in when you get to the door. Get a grip on reality or construct your tin foil hat now.
    Someone that was arrested at a demonstration at Shannon Airport for some minor offense that may have some interest to the US authorities. That person more than likely will be on the next plane back when he arrives at JFK.

    Or, More likely, the person would go to stage 2 holding as the TSA calls it, where they would be held for an extra while during which they would look at the matter further. Any in depth look would reveal some political activism in keeping with Irish Politics. whoopdeedoo. Enjoy your stay in New York but play nice k? The little man or woman that stamps your passport never has the last say in the matter.


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    #70
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    It would be about time this country had a national ID card, fvcking hippies objecting to everything positive sickens me.


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    #71
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Someone that was arrested at a demonstration at Shannon Airport for some minor offense that may have some interest to the US authorities. That person more than likely will be on the next plane back when he arrives at JFK.

    My mind boggles how someone can hate the USA so much that they
    partake in a protest against the country yet want to go there on a
    holiday.

    Keep making those tinfoil hats ;)


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    #72
    thefinalstage
    Registered Users Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭thefinalstage


    We could get into pubs easier with this card.

    "You have no crimes on your record, go right ahead"

    I will not be applying for this card. I prefer the non electronic, less exploitable low tech version. Plus some bollox at the central data centre cannot re-write your entire life history if you use the low tech version.

    Think about it. Hacker comes along and adds a charge for murder or something to your record. You are boned.


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    #73
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,921 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    you all sound more like Americans than you will ever realize.


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    #74
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Gran Hermano wrote: »
    My mind boggles how someone can hate the USA so much that they
    partake in a protest against the country yet want to go there on a
    holiday.

    Keep making those tinfoil hats ;)
    There is a difference between hating America and not liking American Politics. I lived in the States over the period of four years, there are some very genuine people over there that would also oppose the current regime. I have relatives and family which would give me a reason to want to go there, yet I totally opposed the idea of America putting our country on the map for Islamic terrorists by using Shannon as a "war port".and putting the lives of the ordinary people at risk. There is Nothing "Hippyish" about this.


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    #75
    mental07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭mental07


    uberwolf wrote: »
    what's wrong with a National ID card?
    That's what I was thinking.....


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    #76
    Mahatma coat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Whats wrong with a National ID Card?

    well, everything about you is stored on a card, what if someone turns you off?

    then what?

    OK so you might have nothing to hide, what about guilt by asscosiation

    Mohammed Haneef was a doctor on the Gold Coast, it turnsout that whenhewas visitin somefamily in the UK he bought a prepaid mobile, hegave thatto oneofhisrelatives, they gave it to someone else etc etc, eventually it endedup being used in the attack on Glasgow Airport,

    Dr. Haneef was arrested and deported without any form of hearing based on this.


    So what if someone you socialise with/ are related to becomes a suspect, they examine the other persons records, lo and behold they've been is the same place as you on more than 10 occasions in the last month, you must be an accomplice, you get deleted


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    #77
    Sherifu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    What kind of APR are we getting on this card?


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    #78
    DonkeyStyle \o/
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    well, everything about you is stored on a card
    You sure?
    I would have thought it'd store a unique ID number which it can look up in a remote database.
    What'd worry me more is the possibility of someone making a clone of the RFID signature(?) on your card and impersonating you.


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    #79
    portomar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 507 ✭✭✭portomar


    well, everything about you is stored on a card......... if you use public transport for free! chuck it away if you disagree, start paying the bus fare, and go out and work for your money like the rest of us. this is not a uk style id card we're talkin bout.

    now we just have to tag civil servants to see how much work they do and well be getting somewhere


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    #80
    whitetrash
    Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭whitetrash


    So I'm guessing the people who have no problem with a national id card, who "don't have anything to hide", have never heard of identity theft?

    And are assuming that the government will handle the information competently and won't sell it to any company or government that has a spare e100 note?

    And I guess if they have nothing to hide they won't mind changing their pseudonymous boards.ie usernames to their actual full names?


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    #81
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    thelastangryman wrote: »
    Think about it. Hacker comes along and adds a charge for murder or something to your record. You are boned.

    That can be done now. This is when common sense comes into play and people use their heads to check if the information is accurate (ie if you were arrested for murder there'd be evidence of your arrest, trial, imprisonment etc.

    I've no problem with the card, but I dont' like the idea of being fined for not carrying it, if that were to come into play.


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    #82
    portomar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 507 ✭✭✭portomar


    whitetrash wrote: »
    So I'm guessing the people who have no problem with a national id card, who "don't have anything to hide", have never heard of identity theft?

    And are assuming that the government will handle the information competently and won't sell it to any company or government that has a spare e100 note?

    And I guess if they have nothing to hide they won't mind changing their pseudonymous boards.ie usernames to their actual full names?

    ok, with you on this one, not against it in principal for claiming dole and transport privileges though.


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    #83
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    whitetrash wrote: »
    So I'm guessing the people who have no problem with a national id card, who "don't have anything to hide", have never heard of identity theft?

    And are assuming that the government will handle the information competently and won't sell it to any company or government that has a spare e100 note?

    And I guess if they have nothing to hide they won't mind changing their pseudonymous boards.ie usernames to their actual full names?
    Your identity can easily be stolen as it is. This card won't make much of a difference. If someone is determined enough they can be who they want to be.


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    #84
    Krsnik87
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    One of the lads was telling me about the card they have in China, its every card you can imagine and even your house key all on 1. Seems very handy but dunno if I'd like it myself, I'd lose it in 20 mins...


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    #85
    SimpleSam06
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    Mr.S wrote: »
    the public wont have access to it, so whats the problem?
    What, members of the government and public sector aren't members of the public now?

    The biggest problem I could see with this is if it centralises and links all databases about you into one system. That is a staggering amount of power. Lets say I find your number, access the system, and bam. I know if you have children, where they are going to school, your relatives, your home address, any convictions or personal problems, if they hook it into credit cards I can find out where you go on holiday, if they hook it into an internet connection in your name I can discover everything from your political views to your sexual preferences. If you're opposed to a certain piece of legislation and post about it online, you go on the "potential danger" watchlist.

    Now while you can say this would never be abused with our current government, can you guarantee that it would never be abused ever in the future? What happens if "terrorists" start bombing European capitals, and emergency powers are granted which somehow never seem to go away (hello America)? If it becomes illegal to not have one, why not just get it implanted at birth, that way it can't be stolen and you can't forget it?

    Its a dangerous road to travel.

    If its not a centralised database, on the other hand, its no more threatening than a drivers licence.


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    #86
    whitetrash
    Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭whitetrash


    humanji wrote: »
    Your identity can easily be stolen as it is. This card won't make much of a difference. If someone is determined enough they can be who they want to be.

    No need to make it easier for the less determined though, eh? :cool:


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    #87
    Jumpy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Jesus you should have your own forum for this stuff by now. :rolleyes:


    At least then I could avoid all of it at once.

    I want...nay DEMAND the thanks button for this.


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    #88
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    The card would have reference data on it. To access the banking details you'd need access to the banking system. To get access to criminal records you'd need access to the criminal system. To get access to government information on a person, you'd need access to the government system. And if you already have access to all these systems, why the f*ck would you need someones card?


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    #89
    6th
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    Will it have a photo on it? I'm only asking cos I might want to get my hair done.


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    #90
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    humanji wrote: »
    The card would have reference data on it. To access the banking details you'd need access to the banking system. To get access to criminal records you'd need access to the criminal system. To get access to government information on a person, you'd need access to the government system. And if you already have access to all these systems, why the f*ck would you need someones card?

    That's what I was thinking. It would just be simpler to have the one card where all these things can be referenced from. If the social security card had a photo on it and was secure, it could do the job.

    A lot of people seem to be under the illusion that the actual data (criminal records, license points etc.) will be kept on the card itself. That's highly unlikely. These cards typically don't store that much info and having the information on the card would lead to card hacking anyway.


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    #91
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    jimbo78 wrote: »
    I really can't see the problem with this. If you have nothing to hide, what's the issue?

    people just complaining and having a problem, for the sake of it perhaps?

    i too have no issues about this.


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