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HKC Alarm - GSM v Digidialler

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  • 17-07-2008 1:27pm
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    Genco
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    Anyone have advise to hand on the best options to activate and de-activate an alarm remotely from my mobile phone.

    Due to have new alarm system installed over the next two weeks and would prefer to have this option.

    Really dont want to have to get a landline installed to do this though.


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    Finneganjp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Finneganjp


    If you dont want a land line installed the GSM dialler is the only route, however I believe the GSM dialler should be used only as a backup system for the digi modem (land dialler). Plus at a cost of €400 to €500 euro I think its a lot of money to pay!


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    Genco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Genco


    Thanks for posting - 400 is higher than I was quoted for the cost of the panel and keypad :confused: so sounds like thats out.


    What are my options for getting a text to my phone to advise if the alarm has been activated. Again dont have a landline so hopefully there is a workable (ie cheap but reliable) option :)


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    Jnealon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    I've had good results with the HKC GSM unit. You simply text the panel with your code followed by set, unset, status etc and it does the rest. It comes with an 02 card but you can grt your own pre pay card for it.
    Alternatively if you have wireless broadband and an ATA you could use the pstn digi with blue face or something similar


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    Genco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Genco


    Jnealon have you any idea what the GSM cost when you have installed it ?

    The landline option at less than €100 is pretty cheap but GSM would be preferable if its less than €200.


    Also I have wireless broadband but I have no idea what an ATA is so would appreciate further info. if you can point me in the right direction pls :o


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    Jnealon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    The GSM units are expensive, prices mentioned in previous posts would not be too far off the mark.
    It sounds like the ATA is the way to go. Clicky


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    KoolKid
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    Genco wrote: »
    Anyone have advise to hand on the best options to activate and de-activate an alarm remotely from my mobile phone.

    Due to have new alarm system installed over the next two weeks and would prefer to have this option.

    Really dont want to have to get a landline installed to do this though.


    Forget HKC and take a look at the New Europlex Signet a little more expensive but the Signet 200 & 300 have IP as well as GSM & wirless modules. With a web server built in you have full access from your mobile browser as well.


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    Jnealon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    I'll second the Signet but make sure you have the latest firmware v1.3. The only thing is that it is not as easy to install the HKC to install


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    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    The HKC Gsm unit is easy to use and the only way set or unset / control the panel from your mobile phone. The land line digi cant proform any set or uset finctions.

    The GSM unit can also be used to trip lights , heat , gates,! If the Gsm is set up and wired into the system.

    I have 1 and its great. I have no land line and have saved money on line rental already.


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    KoolKid
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    Cadzer wrote: »
    The HKC Gsm unit is easy to use and the only way set or unset / control the panel from your mobile phone. The land line digi cant proform any set or uset finctions.

    The GSM unit can also be used to trip lights , heat , gates,! If the Gsm is set up and wired into the system.

    I have 1 and its great. I have no land line and have saved money on line rental already.
    If your interested in all this .. The SigNet is the way to go


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    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    koolkid wrote: »
    If your interested in all this .. The SigNet is the way to go

    I am intersested alright but what can the signet do that the GSM cant? Like can you set the panel?Trip an output? whats the differance between the two?


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    KoolKid
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    Follow the link above go to downloads & technical data sheets
    Its worth it for the IP access alone.


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    Jnealon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    Cadzer wrote: »
    I am intersested alright but what can the signet do that the GSM cant? Like can you set the panel?Trip an output? whats the differance between the two?

    Both the HKC unit and the Europlex Signet will do the same things like switch on and off the alarm, lights, open gates etc but out of the two the Europlex is probably better as it has X10 plus it's neater looking than the HKC


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    secman
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    Cadzer,

    How much did it cost for the GSM upgrade. ?

    Secman


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    construct06
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    got a gsmart - sms alarm receiver transmitter from Trade Electric in Limerick.

    Havent installed it yet but from reading the manual it appears to have functions to control other things also.....

    anyone any comments/experience with these.

    i am hoping to eventually set up a cctv system which i can monitor overthe web also....


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    will643
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭will643


    Did you install the gsmart yet- Whats it like if you did.
    How much did it cost? What pannel can it be used with?


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    KoolKid
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    construct06 wrote: »
    got a gsmart - sms alarm receiver transmitter from Trade Electric in Limerick.

    Havent installed it yet but from reading the manual it appears to have functions to control other things also.....

    anyone any comments/experience with these.

    i am hoping to eventually set up a cctv system which i can monitor overthe web also....
    The signet would have been the much easier way to go.
    CCTV monitoring is totally seperate from your alarm , this connects directly to your router.


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    jamesbond
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    How much did you pay for the G-Smart,i installed a couple of these,there grand ,do the job,


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    The Security ma
    Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭The Security ma


    Koolkid do you work for Europlex or something?:confused:

    I'm 25 years in this job and I can tell you the Signet is a ball of sh*te!
    It's riddled with software issues and still is.... maybe the one you bought you were lucky, but believe me I've removed over a dozen of them last year alone.
    If its so great, why haven't they made their own sensors????
    Using another company's radio card and sensors, come on like!:eek:

    Visonic can offer X10, remote dial-in, SMS via GSM, Arm disarm by text, IP signalling, to name but a few.
    (How do you think Eroplex came up with the IP idea???)
    :mad:

    And BTW, CCTV doesn't have to be separate from the alarm.... Have you not heard of the ATS panel from Aritech? (Or is that out of your league?)


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    KoolKid
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    The Security ma wrote: »
    Koolkid do you work for Europlex or something?:confused:
    No! why??
    The Security ma wrote: »
    I'm 25 years in this job and I can tell you the Signet is a ball of sh*te!
    It's riddled with software issues and still is.... maybe the one you bought you were lucky, but believe me I've removed over a dozen of them last year alone.
    I'm in the business 20+ years also which is irrelevant here as the Signet is a new panel. I have installed loads so I must be very lucky I guess
    The Security ma wrote: »

    Using another company's radio card and sensors, come on like!:eek:
    How is this relevent to anything. I use Aritech or Astec sensors all the time on HKC. Its personal preference & ease of use.

    The Security ma wrote: »
    And BTW, CCTV doesn't have to be separate from the alarm.... Have you not heard of the ATS panel from Aritech? (Or is that out of your league?)
    Yes I have heard of (and used) Aritech ATS panel. Hardly suitable for the OPs application. Why would it be out of my league? Its fairly straightforward dont you agree?


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    jamesd
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    jamesbond wrote: »
    How much did you pay for the G-Smart,i installed a couple of these,there grand ,do the job,

    I priced them there €356 ex vat


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    jamesd
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    Got myself a grandstream handytone-486 ( ATA ) and signed up with blueface for voip and connected this to my astec 49DV at the weekend and it's working fine, did 6 tests calls from it yesterday and all worked, it also works by ringing the 2nd or 3rd number in my alarm contact list if the previous number did not answer.

    The grandstream only cost me €50


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    Stoner
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    The Security ma wrote: »
    (Or is that out of your league?)

    Debate is great lads, but let's watch for potential flaming matches, you never know how someone will take a typed comment.

    It would be best to keep things focused on the OP.


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    #24
    proteus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭proteus


    Hi All,

    I have an existing HKC alarm system (probably HKC SW812 ) and I've just purchased a HKC GSM dialer ( GSM-P €300+vat) and I'm looking for some assistance with connecting this to the alarm panel. Hopefully somebody here can help.

    1/ I don't need to isolate power to the main panel. Is this correct?
    2/ Is the 4-core ribbon cable required as I don't have one?
    3/ Is the ribbon cable just used to configure the GSM module and can then be removed?
    4/ The GSM module can use up to 500mW. Do I need a 1amp PSU?
    5/ Any other tips?

    Thanks all.


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    KoolKid
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    proteus wrote: »
    1/ I don't need to isolate power to the main panel. Is this correct?
    You should always switch off the mains power before opening the panel
    proteus wrote: »
    2/ Is the 4-core ribbon cable required as I don't have one?
    It should come with the dialler as well as the mounting clips
    proteus wrote: »
    3/ Is the ribbon cable just used to configure the GSM module and can then be removed?
    When you say GSM unit do you mean the text dialler
    proteus wrote: »
    4/ The GSM module can use up to 500mW. Do I need a 1amp PSU?
    again do you mean text dialler? If so No.
    If you mean a seperate GSM dialler then yes for that currant consumption


    Thanks all.


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    proteus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭proteus


    This is the GSM device:

    HKC GSM Router (ABS housing):
    http://www.rspl.ie/reliablesecurity/Main/Products_DigitalVoiceTextLAN.htm


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    Jnealon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    If you didn't get the ribbon cable then you would need the 2 plug on cards, one for the digi and one for the panel. You then run 4 core cable between the two and you will also need to run 12vdc


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    proteus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭proteus


    koolkid wrote: »
    You should always switch off the mains power before opening the panel
    It should come with the dialler as well as the mounting clips

    That was the source of confusion, It didn't come with the RS485 comms cards. I had to follow up with the supplier for these.

    I can disconnect the mains power for the alarm panel. I take it that I need to keep the battery power to prevent the settings being lost. Is there any problem just plugging the RS485 modules into the main panel while there is still battery power connected, any order they need to be plugged in?

    The (aux)(SW8-12) 12v connectors on the main panel already have connections in them. What could these be and if they were disconnected while connecting the GSM panel could this cause problems?

    Thanks again.


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    verycoolguy60
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    hi all i also have a question on the hkc alarm contacts the ones i am useing are the shock sensors with built in reed, is there anyone there that can tell me which way these are wired the problem i am having is that when the window is shut the shock wont work but when the window is opened the the shock will work i think it is something to do with the way i have the contacts bridged out in the sensor. can any one through any lite on this


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    KoolKid
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    As fishdog said in the other thread you posted in..
    Wire them in series not parallel


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    Cadzer
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭Cadzer


    verycoolguy60 wrote: »
    hi all i also have a question on the hkc alarm contacts the ones i am useing are the shock sensors with built in reed, is there anyone there that can tell me which way these are wired the problem i am having is that when the window is shut the shock wont work but when the window is opened the the shock will work i think it is something to do with the way i have the contacts bridged out in the sensor. can any one through any lite on this

    Ok you have it wired in you need to wire it in series. this is the simple way to wire it.

    you have 6 wiring terminals.

    1=red
    2=black
    3=Blue
    4=yellow
    5=wire link between 5 and six
    6=above.

    thats the easy way note terminal 1 is closest to the shock and 6 is beside the tamper switch.


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