Bray Head wrote: » I am not so sure. Sales have declined simply as penetration of in-car satnavs has levelled off. I don't see a need to replace mine for the next ten years.
Bray Head wrote: » I am not so sure. Sales have declined simply as penetration of in-car satnavs has levelled off. I don't see a need to replace mine for the next ten years. A smartphone is not really a substitute for a proper satnav I find. The only real advantage now is that with google maps you are more likely to be able to find something than on a satnav. Once both have eircode that advantage disappears.
scas100 wrote: » sorry cant figure how to quote BoatMad as a supplier to the logistics software industry ( specialised logistics solutions) I can tell you that the main courier comvpnaie are very slow to roll out updates to their van drivers systems. Often the main large couriers are using custom versions designed for them with international multi country rollout or the smaller couriers are using semi off the shelf systems ( or fairly esoteric small bespoke systems ) i work for several courier companies-not freight companies-and i can say neither dpd, fastway, gls, ups or nightline, who are the main courier companies in ireland, do not and will not pay for any eircodes. reason being its up to the driver to deliver the packages and if hes used up his 15 goes a day, from his point of view, why should he have to pay for them. also ive noticed that out of say 10 eircodes written on packages 3 or 4 are usually wrong. this may be because people type them in wrong but because of that not one courier i know would trust them.
12Phase wrote: » It's obvious the state wanted a pays-for-itself and possibly a nice little revenue stream rather than an open system.
ukoda wrote: » byrnefm wrote: » Has there been any word from any SatNav company in relation to Eircode support? That alone would improve its uptake big time, IMO. It's google maps that will make it take off, sat navs are a rapidly declining market as seen by TomTom going from hundreds of millions in profit to tens of millions in loss over the last decade. They are on the way back up now but only because they diversified into being a mapping provider and focusing on in car navigation (which is again under threat from things like apple's car play and googles equivalent)
byrnefm wrote: » Has there been any word from any SatNav company in relation to Eircode support? That alone would improve its uptake big time, IMO.
BoatMad wrote: » you seem to be under the mistaken belief that the UK PAF is license free , it is not
If eircode wants to be as useful as the UK postcode for delivery (sorting and routing), then they need to release a dataset FOC, and freely usable which contains a list of all Eircodes, the SAC for each, and a list of centroid locations for each SAC. How the SACs are labeled is less important (if it's a free reuse license) because the work that others have done (like AutoAddress) can be used then
oscarBravo wrote: » There are several different licensing models for the Eircode database; there are also multiple resellers with different licensing models. There is no "one size fits all" licence.
plodder wrote: » It's something I predicted ages ago, that the complicated one size fits all license for Eircode would end suiting very few use cases.
plodder wrote: » Okay. Lets just say it doesn't work then. I don't think he was claiming they were the only companies surveyed, and it wasn't him who did the survey anyway. I'll look into it and report the gory details here later
ukoda wrote: » Not working and being complicated are 2 different things
I got the info from his blog, he posted a picture with the logos of those who were surveyed and I noticed the absence of the ones who do actually use eircode
plodder wrote: » Also FTAI haven't changed their stance re Eircode. This possible enhancement to eircode (which you seem to be opposed to) is what they like the sound of.
plodder wrote: » pay per lookup doesn't work for google. Check some of boatmad's posts on the question. I can't link to posts here but he says the delay in signing up google was due to licensing issues (which he says have been resolved). BTW where did you get the information that CBRE didn't include any of the couriers that are using Eircode in their survey?
ukoda wrote: » I'm also not so sure what's complicated about the licensing, you pay per lookup, the more you use the cheaper it is, you can pay as you go or block buy lookups. Are you basing that on the eircode licensing fees they published themselves? Because bear in mind that's not really geared towards an actual end user, it's more for resellers. If you want to buy eircode form a reseller (which would be the norm) then it's very very straight forward from most of them: You pay a set fee per lookup and that's it.
plodder wrote: » and it's not only a question of who pays. Complicated restrictive licenses hinder usage. Look at the whole google affair. If people here are to be believed the problem has been that the original license just didn't work for them and wasn't suited to the navigation sector generally.
Carawaystick wrote: » Except pedestrians and cyclists and foreign drivers can use the roads for free already.
ukoda wrote: » you pay for non motorway roads in motor tax, without tax your car can't use the roads. kinda the same model as Eircode, those who use it, pay for it. in my opinion, a far better system than simply socialising the cost of it across the entire population.
plodder wrote: » As Brian Lucey has pointed out today on Twitter, very few companies in the logistics/transport sector are using it - the very sector that should get most of the benefit
plodder wrote: » There is the concept of 'public goods'. It doesn't make sense to charge for everything as sometimes it's more efficient for the state to suck up the cost and let people just use it. An analogy might be the roads. It's not practical to charge all road users, but it might make sense to charge for a "premium product" like a motorway. It's something I predicted ages ago, that the complicated one size fits all license for Eircode would end suiting very few use cases. As Brian Lucey has pointed out today on Twitter, very few companies in the logistics/transport sector are using it - the very sector that should get most of the benefit and while the Autoaddress app is very nice and is useful so long as it stays free*, it's not something that business can use to build into their own IT systems. * maybe I would pay something for it. But, only a small upfront cost - subscriptions, or paying per lookup, then no way.
