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1000's of kids making their communion today

Kenny Bania

Are people just not aware that the Catholic Church molested 10's of 1000's of kids around the world and covered it up, or do they just not care?

Why are people cool with kids being molested, especially being parents themselves? And I believe they must be "cool" with it, otherwise why would they voluntarily choose to associate with this very same organisation.

And not only that, a few weeks before their communion, they send their kid into a box with a dirty old man who asks them about all the naught things they've been getting up to lately!! aka 'first confession'. They're 8 - they have nothing to confess to you, ya big weirdo FFS!

Am I the one that's crazy here? Is it okay to molest thousands of kids? People seem cool with it.

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One eyed Jack

Kenny Bania wrote: »

"when you're saying the Church molested kids, you might as well be saying men molest kids. You're a man Kenny. Do you approve of men molesting kids then?"

Wow - such amazing logic at work here.

So... nothing at all like you claimed I said then?

Well, thanks for clearing that up at least.

Any chance you could tone down the hyperbole and there might be a reasonable discussion to be salvaged from this mess?

Kenny Bania

The only thing that amazes me here, 8 pages in, is how many people will blindly defend an organisation riddled with paedophiles, that systematically moved them around to avoid getting caught, and still finances & supports them to this very day.

You all seem to find the most bizarre ways to justify yourselves being okay with it, and directly supporting it by putting money in the collection plates - that probably paid for a last-minute Ryanair flight to get Fr. Touchy McFeely out of Clane parish over to a sauna in the Vatican before the cops arrived.

Absolam

Kenny Bania wrote: »

If you don't think financing paedophiles is showing support for them & defending their actions, I'm not sure what more we can discuss here.

Well, I don't think the Church or religious orders providing pensions, housing, private medical insurance (or anything else) to convicted paedophile priests is the same as the Pope providing them, nor do I think the provision of such things to convicted paedophile priests is the same as defending convicted paedophile priests (much as I don't think the President of Ireland is defending convicted paedophile laypeople when the State provides them with social housing, state pensions or medical cards). So you're probably right, if you can't point to a specific occasion where the Pope has defended anyone being a paedophile, there's probably not more we can discuss here, since your post was apparently an unfounded slur.

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Maybe the pope will sign your poster when he visits next year.

Oooh.. that burns! Oh wait. Nope. It doesn't. Try harder?

One eyed Jack

Kenny Bania wrote: »

The only thing that amazes me here, 8 pages in, is how many people will blindly defend an organisation riddled with paedophiles, that systematically moved them around to avoid getting caught, and still finances & supports them to this very day.

You all seem to find the most bizarre ways to justify yourselves being okay with it, and directly supporting it by putting money in the collection plates - that probably paid for a last-minute Ryanair flight to get Fr. Touchy McFeely out of Clane parish over to a sauna in the Vatican before the cops arrived.

Have you actually read any of my posts in this thread Kenny? Because the post above suggests you haven't. It suggests that rather than engage in reasonable discussion, you'd prefer to grandstand and soapbox, in which case you're on your own as far as I'm concerned, because I'm out.

Absolam

Kenny Bania wrote: »

You all seem to find the most bizarre ways to justify yourselves being okay with it, and directly supporting it by putting money in the collection plates - that probably paid for a last-minute Ryanair flight to get Fr. Touchy McFeely out of Clane parish over to a sauna in the Vatican before the cops arrived.

Sounds like you're making stuff up again, like that crack about the Pope.

Kenny Bania

Absolam wrote: »

Well, I don't think the Church or religious orders providing pensions, housing, private medical insurance (or anything else) to convicted paedophile priests is the same as the Pope providing them

Not sure if anyone has told you this, but the Pope is actually the leader of the church. So he could stop showing his loyalty & support to convicted paedophile priests if he wished. But he doesn't. He continues to finance them. Something you're totally fine with, and have purposefully avoided criticising.

Absolam wrote: »

Sounds like you're making stuff up again, like that crack about the Pope.

Yeah, because Fr Touchy McFeely is a real priest and that was intended as a real story - you got me, detective.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Have you actually read any of my posts in this thread Kenny? Because the post above suggests you haven't.

I've read 8 pages of you defending the worlds largest ever paedophile ring. My favourite part was this though:
"when you're saying the Church molested kids, you might as well be saying men molest kids. You're a man Kenny. Do you approve of men molesting kids then?"

Air-tight logic at work there.
Let me apply your logic to a random example: a plane went missing this morning. A plane is a thing - you're also a thing. Therefore you are missing.

Absolam

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has told you this, but the Pope is actually the leader of the church. So he could stop showing his loyalty & support to convicted paedophile priests if he wished. But he doesn't. He continues to finance them. Something you're totally fine with, and have purposefully avoided criticising.

Not sure if anyone has told you this, but that doesn't make him the Church, any more than it makes the President Ireland. Nor have I told you what I'm fine with

You're making a heck of a lot of stuff up here......

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Yeah, because Fr Touchy McFeely is a real priest and that was intended as a real story - you got me, detective.

I knew it! I'm starting to suspect you haven't made a single honest statement in any of your posts...

Kenny Bania

Absolam wrote: »

Nor have I told you what I'm fine with

Because you're afraid to admit it, since sympathising with paedos & their supporters is generally frowned upon. So do you support the pope or not? The guy who directly funds paedos & lets them live in the vatican city, consistently hates on gays, and in the article I posted, he stands by a French cardinal facing abuse cover-up claims. What a guy!

But is he YOUR guy? You fine with the Pope and all he represents?

Absolam wrote: »

I'm starting to suspect you haven't made a single honest statement in any of your posts...

I stated facts in every single one of my posts - substantiated facts, backed up with articles; except where I clearly made up the name of a priest called "Fr Touchy McFeely", which you seemed to think was serious & you called me on it. I understand you may be naive & gullible due to your beliefs, but I really didn't think you were that slow. "Hey - wait a second! That priest name sounds suspicious! I therefore question this story because I'm smart!!"

Absolam

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Because you're afraid to admit it, since sympathising with paedos & their supporters is generally frowned upon.

Do you feel the need to tell everyone how they feel, or just the ones who ask you to provide evidence for your allegations?

Kenny Bania

Absolam wrote: »

Do you feel the need to tell everyone how they feel, or just the ones who ask you to provide evidence for your allegations?

I asked you 6 times now - you've avoided answering every time.

triple nipple

100cent wrote:

I did receive Jesus that day and have done on countless occassions since.

Did he have a big weiner?

PopePalpatine

triple nipple wrote: »

Did he have a big weiner?

Hey, nobody f*cks with the Jesus! :P

Kenny Bania

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Hey, nobody f*cks with the Jesus! :P

True - he's a giver, not a taker.

Absolam

Kenny Bania wrote: »

I asked you 6 times now - you've avoided answering every time.

Are you sure? Only the question in your last post was added five minutes after I replied to it. I do know this started with me asking you

Absolam wrote: »

Can you point to a specific occasion where he has defended anyone being a paedophile?

And whilst I know you tried to redirect the conversation by coming up with some question of your own, I did say

Absolam wrote: »

Let's not hurry to skip over what we're discussing to address something completely new, eh? So... how about it? Can you point to a specific occasion where the Pope has defended anyone being a paedophile?

So, if you'd like to admit you can't point to a specific occasion where the Pope has defended anyone being a paedophile I'm happy to move onto the next point, but until then I think we're still looking for an answer...

Trent Houseboat

Serious question, can the pope just cut off convicted priests? Is papal infallibility still a thing(it came up on the Junior Cert)? Could he not just dictate that all paedophile priests are cut loose?

TheIrishGrover

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Are people just not aware that the Catholic Church molested 10's of 1000's of kids around the world and covered it up, or do they just not care?

Why are people cool with kids being molested, especially being parents themselves? And I believe they must be "cool" with it, otherwise why would they voluntarily choose to associate with this very same organisation.

I suspect the OP is trolling but I'll bite.

Not only that but MILLIONS of people all over the world watch football EVERY WEEK. MILLIONS!!! Knowing that thousands of people have been molested by people involved in the football industry and that this has also been covered up to various degrees.

My GOD, people even watch TELEVISION despite the fact that there were molesters in the BBC!!!!!

Do you watch television? Are YOU OK with molestation?

Do you watch football? Are YOU OK with rape?

People have their beliefs. They believe in their god, they believe in their teachings and they are followers of their religion. They do not worship rapists and molestors. They worship their god. The organization is a human one with good and bad people.

meeeeh

This thread is fun.

Kenny Bania

@ Grover - Man, you really suck at analogies. Almost as bad as One Eyed Jack.

People have their beliefs. They believe in their god, they believe in their teachings and they are followers of their religion. They do not worship rapists and molestors. They worship their god. The organization is a human one with good and bad people.

But they don't just follow their religion - they voluntarily follow & associate with the organisation too. They attend the organisation when they go to mass or rituals. They give money to the organisation. They identify as part of that organisation, whether it be on the census or similar.

I'd be fine with it if they actually separated the 2 - their faith & the RCC. But they don't. They're loyal to the organisation. As we can see here from posters such as One Eyed Jack & Absolam - they'll defend the RCC even if it means making wild claims & logical leaps. That's how indoctrinated they are. "paedos are men, and we are men - therefore we are all paedos" - this is the sort of gibberish people will actually trot out in an attempt to justify paedophilia. I asked Absolam 6 times if he supports the Pope providing pensions, housing, and private medical insurance to convicted paedophile priests - and he avoided giving an answer every time, preferring to answer the question with a question - one I already answered.

The RCC is the largest worldwide paedophile ring ever discovered. Unless you know of another, I'm open to correction... Facts are facts. There has never been a bigger organised paedophile ring than the RCC (has there???). Yet people still associate with them - as if it's all totally cool.
http://www.vatileaks.com/vati-leaks/pope-john-paul-iis-international-paedophile-ring-of-catholic-priests

Isn't is amazing though, that the decrease in catholics in this country has come about since people were given more access to information & education & freethinking & ideas - basically, since internet access increased, the number of catholics in Ireland has decreased. I expect we'll be down from the 84% in the last census too. And within 10 years religion will be out of schools - we'll see how many make their communion then, when it's not as handy and has to be done on their own time.

TheIrishGrover

Kenny Bania wrote: »

@ Grover - Man, you really suck at analogies. Almost as bad as One Eyed Jack.

But they don't just follow their religion - they voluntarily follow & associate with the organisation too. They attend the organisation when they go to mass or rituals. They give money to the organisation. They identify as part of that organisation, whether it be on the census or similar.

I'd be fine with it if they actually separated the 2 - their faith & the RCC. But they don't. They're loyal to the organisation. As we can see here from posters such as One Eyed Jack & Absolam - they'll defend the RCC even if it means making wild claims & logical leaps. That's how indoctrinated they are. "paedos are men, and we are men - therefore we are all paedos" - this is the sort of gibberish people will actually trot out in an attempt to justify paedophilia. I asked Absolam 6 times if he supports the Pope providing pensions, housing, and private medical insurance to convicted paedophile priests - and he avoided giving an answer every time, preferring to answer the question with a question - one I already answered.

The RCC is the largest worldwide paedophile ring ever discovered. Unless you know of another, I'm open to correction... Facts are facts. There has never been a bigger organised paedophile ring than the RCC (has there???). Yet people still associate with them - as if it's all totally cool.
http://www.vatileaks.com/vati-leaks/pope-john-paul-iis-international-paedophile-ring-of-catholic-priests

I stand by my analogy. You watch football I'm assuming, even after we see all the corruption at the highest levels. Even though it seems that every couple of weeks there are reports of assaults by footballers. You watch the sport, maybe at home, maybe in the pub or with friends, you support your team and get the strip every year or so? If so, then according to your logic, not only are you OK with their corruption and with their ignoring of the behaviour of their players, you are actively SUPPORTING this organization.

You watch television I assume even though there was an active coverup by the powers that be at the time.

Anyway, I'm assuming this is a troll thread and I've fed the troll more than I wanted.

Absolam

Kenny Bania wrote: »

As we can see here from posters such as One Eyed Jack & Absolam - they'll defend the RCC even if it means making wild claims & logical leaps. That's how indoctrinated they are.

Or at least, posters here will make stuff up and attribute it to other posters to make it appear that they think they have something to say

Kenny Bania wrote: »

I asked Absolam 6 times if he supports the Pope providing pensions, housing, and private medical insurance to convicted paedophile priests - and he avoided giving an answer every time, preferring to answer the question with a question - one I already answered.

You still haven't actually pointed to a specific occasion where the Pope has defended anyone being a paedophile, though. Remember? The very first question?

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Facts are facts.

Can you show us those facts please? Not wild allegations from conspiricy theorists now... facts. Like you say, facts are facts! Like the facts that demonstrate the Pope defended someone being a paedophile. No?

Kenny Bania

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I stand by my analogy. You watch football I'm assuming, even after we see all the corruption at the highest levels. Even though it seems that every couple of weeks there are reports of assaults by footballers. You watch the sport, maybe at home, maybe in the pub or with friends, you support your team and get the strip every year or so? If so, then according to your logic, not only are you OK with their corruption and with their ignoring of the behaviour of their players, you are actively SUPPORTING this organization.

No, I don't watch football at all. Why assume that, and then go on to assume 10 more things after it like buying the strip, etc? You fell down at the first hurdle there.

You watch television I assume even though there was an active coverup by the powers that be at the time.

I watch TV, yeah - but who are these powers that be you refer to? Are you aware TV is a device and not an organisation? Are you referring to Samsung? Or Sky? Or RTE? Or Viacom? Sony? Panasonic? LG, perhaps? Your analogies really do suck.

And what do you mean by "at the time"? At what time? The time I was watching TV? WTF are you even trying to say here? Just spit it out. Is this something to do with Saville? Who worked for the BBC. Which is not Irish. Which I don't watch. And is also not a TV - it's an organisation. An organisation that I don't support and have never given money to.

You're out of your depth here, kid - best move along.

Kenny Bania

Absolam wrote: »

Can you show us those facts please? Not wild allegations from conspiricy theorists now... facts.

It's my assertion that the RCC is the largest worldwide paedophile ring ever discovered. Unless you know of another, I'm open to correction. Do you know of another? If so, just tell us - a link to an article - anything. Or you can avoid that question, which seems to be a knack of yours.

And I see you're still avoiding the main question I've asked you 7 times now re your support for King Paedo himself - a simple question that you can't seem to answer.

TheIrishGrover

Don't feed the troll, folks

GT_TDI_150

In my opinion and i dont participate in any relegion.... maki g your communion is 1000 time safer than going to rugby training.

Ive no problem with my kids making their communion/confirmation (missus will want it)but i'll do all i can to make sure they dont end up playing rugby...

Not alledging peodophillia at rugby clubs by the way ... brain injuries / repeat concussions scare the crap out of me

lazygal

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

In my opinion and i dont participate in any relegion.... maki g your communion is 1000 time safer than going to rugby training.

Ive no problem with my kids making their communion/confirmation (missus will want it)but i'll do all i can to make sure they dont end up playing rugby...

Emmmm ok. Thanks for the heads up.

TheExile1878

Kenny Bania wrote: »

It's my assertion that the RCC is the largest worldwide paedophile ring ever discovered. Unless you know of another, I'm open to correction. Do you know of another? If so, just tell us - a link to an article - anything. Or you can avoid that question, which seems to be a knack of yours.

And I see you're still avoiding the main question I've asked you 7 times now re your support for King Paedo himself - a simple question that you can't seem to answer.

King Paedo ?

If you mean the Holy Father you're a disrespectful gob****e.

Kenny Bania

TheExile1878 wrote: »

King Paedo ?

If you mean the Holy Father you're a disrespectful gob****e.

He's not my father - he may be yours - could very well be, in fact.

But yeah - King Paedo - the leader of the world largest paedophile ring. Do you know of a larger paedophile ring? If not, then the title fits Francis for now.

Correct me where I'm wrong, by all means. I welcome it. If you know of a larger paedophile ring, I'll retract my statement & apologise for calling him King Paedo. Larger paedophile ring than the RCC - anyone know of any?? Anyone?

TheExile1878

Kenny Bania wrote: »

He's not my father - he may be yours - could very well be, in fact.

But yeah - King Paedo - the leader of the world largest paedophile ring. Do you know of a larger paedophile ring? If not, then the title fits Francis for now.

Correct me where I'm wrong, by all means. I welcome it. If you know of a larger paedophile ring, I'll retract my statement & apologise for calling him King Paedo. Larger paedophile ring than the RCC - anyone know of any?? Anyone?

You and your mates possibly ?

Or right, silly me - you clearly spend all your days alone under a bridge.

Kenny Bania

TheExile1878 wrote: »

You and your mates possibly ?

I'd have to have 1000's of mates for that to even be possible. Want to try again?

TheExile1878

Kenny Bania wrote: »

I'd have to have 1000's of mates for that to even be possible. Want to try again?

Sarcasm not your strong suit clearly.