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KATIE HOPKINS gets it right

TheLastMohican

How do the Katie haters feel about this? Personally, I can see the logic in pulling up the drawbridge. But is it too radical to advocate this on boards.pc?

C'mon politicians, grow some!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506043/KATIE-HOPKINS-hell-solidarity-Europe-willing-accept-Muslim-terror-simply-new-normal-t-afford-stay-it.html

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thattequilagirl

maryishere wrote: »

along with beloved Belgium, Italy, Spain, France etc who all had foreign colonies.

However nobody can change the events of 100 / 200 years ago. Britain is and has been much more tolerant of minorities than most countries in the middle east is now. A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

Are you aware that the huge country of Saudi Arabia does not allow one Christian church to be built?

Using Saudi, which is basically a legitimized Isis to make your point doesn't help. Most Muslims would not want to live in a society like Saudi. I've been to Christian churches in several Muslim countries.

maryishere

You have not answered the question. A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

thattequilagirl

maryishere wrote: »

You have not answered the question. A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

I didn't answer your question because it's irrelevant. I lived in countries that operated sharia law for six years and it was fine although I'd rather not see it spread in Europe.

If you did a massive survey of European people if they would like to see Christianity spread in the Middle East, they'd give the same answers - it doesn't mean anything

rsh118

maryishere wrote: »

along with beloved Belgium, Italy, Spain, France etc who all had foreign colonies.

However nobody can change the events of 100 / 200 years ago. Britain is and has been much more tolerant of minorities than most countries in the middle east is now. A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

Are you aware that the huge country of Saudi Arabia does not allow one Christian church to be built?

Saudi is a family business masquerading as a country though, and businesses has all sorts of weird rules. Saudi doesn't even allow non-Muslims into Mecca.

Of course they do! It's one of the evangelistic faiths. Christians tend to want the Christianisation of everywhere, except tending to be well off they can do it through bribery with money!

And yes, Britain has been more tolerant, and continuing to be more tolerant demonstrates the values that make us different to what we see in the Middle East. If I wanted to live in a deeply repressive state, I'd move.

Eugene Norman

Salma Scarce Registry wrote: »

Hold on a second... you linked to the daily mail and then asked for intelligent dialogue?

Can somebody tell me when we normalized horror (terror)?

If people think that closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks, well, they are wrong.

So it's back to lighting up buildings then. Good idea.

Eugene Norman

topmanamillion wrote: »

Can't be any worse then all those Christian pricks.

It probably would be.

maryishere

The only reason the question could not be relevant is if you do not / will not have grandkids / great grandkids.

Would you not think it is likely give Muslim immigration, family size, attitudes etc there will be sharia law in at least some European countries before the century is out ?

rsh118

maryishere wrote: »

The only reason the question could not be relevant is if you do not / will not have grandkids / great grandkids.

Would you not think it is likely give Muslim immigration, family size, attitudes etc there will be sharia law in at least some European countries before the century is out ?

As it happens, no. Muslims in the political class tend to be very minor voices in the over all running of any of the states mentioned. And since Muslims populations are all <10% of most European nations I'd say the other 90% aren't too keen.

Even if Muslims made up 50% in say 100 years time, you'd need there to be a Muslim party formed (and single issue religious parties are nooooot popular) and 90% of those 50% who actually wanted strict sharia law (again based on today's demographics highly unlikely).

Of course we also shouldn't let the fact that a fair whack of sharia law being identical to biblical law cloud our judgement either...

Eugene Norman

rsh118 wrote: »

As it happens, no. Muslims in the political class tend to be very minor voices in the over all running of any of the states mentioned. And since Muslims populations are all <10% of most European nations I'd say the other 90% aren't too keen.

Even if Muslims made up 50% in say 100 years time, you'd need there to be a Muslim party formed (and single issue religious parties are nooooot popular) and 90% of those 50% who actually wanted strict sharia law (again based on today's demographics highly unlikely).

What about 200 years time. Civilisations last a long time. And your demographic change will be much faster if the Syrian refugees are let in.

Of course we also shouldn't let the fact that a fair whack of sharia law being identical to biblical law cloud our judgement either...

Ack the anti Christian whataboutary is ****. Nobody is suggesting biblical Christianity return nor is there any chance of that happening.

[Deleted User]

maryishere wrote: »

A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

Wasn't so long ago Catholics prayed for the conversion of Russia.

Sometimes, what religious people want to archieve, and actually achieve, are different...

Eugene Norman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wasn't so long ago Catholics prayed for the conversion of Russia.

Sometimes, what religious people want to archieve, and actually achieve, are different...

not that Catholic prayers had anything to do with it but it's not an atheist state anymore.

thattequilagirl

Eugene Norman wrote: »

What about 200 years time. Civilisations last a long time. And your demographic change will be much faster if the Syrian refugees are let in.

Ack the anti Christian whataboutary is ****. Nobody is suggesting biblical Christianity return nor is there any chance of that happening.

It's as impossible to predict 200 years from now as it would have been to picture today's society in 1816.

The Christian stuff is relevant in my eyes because for all the "their culture is incompatible with ours", their beliefs are very similar to those my mother grew up with here in the 1950-60s. Now I know no one is suggesting a return to that, I'm just pointing out it really isn't so long ago that we moved on from some of the things people hate about Islam e.g gay rights.

screamer

Simple fact is more Muslims in europe from wherever equals more fodder for IS extremists.

Do you think that the migrants (not refugees as they marched through many safe countries demanding yes demanding to be let go to Germany and sweden) will settle down and live peacefully.......some will but definately not all. There will be those amongst them who will harbour resentment and anger and tell their children's children about the hardships the evil west inflicted on them as they marched through europe. Not that bashar al Assad was the problem. They'll long for Syria or wherever and vent their spleen on us. Forget the fact that they were taken in and given refuge. Massive chips on shoulders and this aggressive entitlement attitude they have already demonstrated will lead to many more generations of extremists but they won't need IS to indoctrinate them...... its already happened in Belgium England France the enemy within is there. So sure we just let in a few million more with no vetting, don't worry about it. We must be compassionate and caring and we must be stupid.

Now where is that UN refugee policy so I can familiarise myself with it as the way things are we the non Muslims will be the ones abandoning Europe and running in fear of our lives.

hatrickpatrick

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Any chance of intelligent dialogue?

>wants intelligent dialogue
>posts on AH

Pick one.

Wanderer78

Who's Katie Hopkins? Can't be arsed googling

[Deleted User]

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Who's Katie Hopkins? Can't be arsed googling

A tv and media "personality".

Gained popularity when she appeared on BBCs the Apprentice, has turned into something of a caricature desperate to cling onto fame or notoriety by expressing increasingly objectionable views.

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote:

A tv and media "personality".

Deleted User wrote:

Gained popularity when she appeared on BBCs the Apprentice, has turned into something of a caricature desperate to cling onto fame or notoriety by expressing increasingly objectionable views.

Sounds like a very very boring person. Thank God I didn't bother googling

Lisacatlover

TheLastMohican wrote: »

I presume you're talking about the leverage that got the Third Reich to it's dizzy heights?

If the allies had acted earlier - and they had plenty of time to mull over things - Hitler would not have caused the carnage that cowardly pussyfooting led to.
Perhaps you, and your ilk, think this is totally wrong thinking?

If the allies, which was basically France and Britain as far as armed forces worth talking about (US were nowhere near joining a war), had of acted earlier, the Soviet Union may well have rowed in alongside Germany, fearing the aggressive, expansive, invading allies wouldn't stop at the Russian border. And wouldn't that have been fun?

[Deleted User]

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Sounds like a very very boring person. Thank God I didn't bother googling

In her early days, she seemed interesting, direct, blunt etc. she was a good candidate on the show, I think she may even have walked off and refused a place in the final which was an enjoyable rebuff of the format. But then it seems like her provocative views became her shtick and she has spiralled increasingly towards deliberately offensive comments to keep her place in the public eye.

dan1895

maryishere wrote: »

You have not answered the question. A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

What survey? Link please.

Mr. teddywinkles

TheLastMohican wrote: »

I presume you're talking about the leverage that got the Third Reich to it's dizzy heights?

If the allies had acted earlier - and they had plenty of time to mull over things - Hitler would not have caused the carnage that cowardly pussyfooting led to.
Perhaps you, and your ilk, think this is totally wrong thinking?

That is so true. Lots of words and no balls amongst our politicians. Just say something to pass themselves.

conorhal

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Fascist Left are trying to polarize any debate to be had. Even before most of the refugees arrived into Europe, the fascist left were abusing anybody that questioned it and created a polarized situation before it begun.

They are doing more harm than good. Extremists from all sides need to go away and let the adults talk about how we are going to go on in the future.

If you are going to restrict discussion, it will lead to greater and harboured resentment.

It has gotten to a stage where you are not allowed to be angry or sad at what has been going on. If somebody dies in Belgium, you are not allowed to be upset about it unless you list off a bunch of other atrocities.

It is not ISIS causing the polarization, it is not European Right Wing groups causing the polarization, it is not Muslims causing the polarization, it is the far left that are creating social upheval. This is what they want.

Katie Hopkins is giving a voice to people who have none or are living in fear of speaking out

Aparently when politicians make a mistake, the answer is to deny and double down.

As for the lunatic left, I have honestly come to believe that their position comes down to a combination of pathological altruism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_Altruism
among some combined with a cynical desire to shred the society that refuses to acknowledge them, like the worst kind of teenage petulance they believe that if they can destroy social cohesion and cultural hegemony then they can rise from the ashes by feeding on the discord it creates.
The reality is that they don't actually give a damn about refugees, they are but another useful tool to poke a stick in the eye of 'the real enemy'

Take for example the recent centre left Social Democrats grouping in the EU meeting in Paris.
Apparently according to Greek PM Tsipras, who was in attendence, the "real threat" facing Europe was not Islamic extremism but rather the rise of extreme right forces.
It never seems to occur to these fools that the rise of the far right is a direct consequence of their policies. If they wanted to halt the rise of the FN or the AfD then perhaps they need to address the legitimate concerns of citizens about their madcap policies which are driving voters into the arms of the far right out of desperation.

Will they though? It seems not....

"Following the meeting, Germany's Social Democrat leader Sigmar Gabriel said his party wouldn't be pushed to change its course even when threatened at the polls by the rise of nationalist parties. The increasingly right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party was expected to make gains in three regional elections being held Sunday which are seen as somewhat of a referendum on Germany's migration policies. Gabriel said the large majority of citizens would choose "democratic parties" and called for a strong voter turnout."

So the "democratic parties", without a hint of irony it seems are determined to ignore the demos and plough on and have the nerve to call those that demand the main stream parties actually listen to what the people are telling them, 'anti-democratic'? The cognitive dissonance is stunning....
His call for strong voter turnout seems to have backfired, turnout is up, and it looks like those disenfranchised voters are voting AfD

These loons are the worst kind of societal poison and they have used entryism to infiltrate every quango, charity, media organization, educational institution and state board that that has any influence on government to push their agenda from the shadows in a way that they could never manage democratically.
The reality is that Poland or Japan with little or no immigration form the Islamic world are unsurprisingly, not exactly hotbeds of Islamism. Basic common sense would dictate that in light of recent events a pause should be placed on immigration from the middle east. Instead to powers that be urgently want to accelerate their deconstruction of civil society and the nation state before the wheels come off their little project.

RGDATA!

maryishere wrote: »

There are some towns in England now more than 50% muslim.

Which towns?

joe40

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

That is so true. Lots of words and no balls amongst our politicians.

The EU and their auld gender quotas!!

Mr. teddywinkles

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wasn't so long ago Catholics prayed for the conversion of Russia.

Sometimes, what religious people want to archieve, and actually achieve, are different...

But was Russia being invaded by Catholics en mass ?

maryishere

conorhal wrote: »

The reality is that Poland or Japan with little or no immigration form the Islamic world are unsurprisingly, not exactly hotbeds of Islamism. Basic common sense would dictate that in light of recent events a pause should be placed on immigration from the middle east.

Correct. Look at much of Bradford, Luton, Dewsbury etc. Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.
In Brussels, the top seven baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza. No great surprise the bombs tragically went off in Brussels a few days ago, as has happened before, and as will unfortunately happen again....even though the city is often in a state of lockdown.
Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society.

MonkeyTennis

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Who's Katie Hopkins? Can't be arsed googling

She gets paid to spew hate filled drivel. Best ignored really.

dav3

When people are nodding in agreement with the comments of not only Trump, but Katie Hopkins, it's a clear sign that the education system has failed them.

For any people outside Ireland looking through boards, I would like to apologise for these people. We're not all like that.

It's just like with Trump and Hopkins, empty vessels make the most noise.

conorhal

dav3 wrote: »

When people are nodding in agreement with the comments of not only Trump, but Katie Hopkins, it's a clear sign that the education system has failed them.

For any people outside Ireland looking through boards, I would like to apologise for these people. We're not all like that.

It's just like with Trump and Hopkins, empty vessels make the most noise.

This must be you...

http://i.imgur.com/SW5GN5S.jpg

MonkeyTennis

whereas you did what exactly ?