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Will you wear an Easter Lily?

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It's that time of the year again. Easter Week and the 100 year anniversary of the 1916 Rising is forthcoming, will you be wearing an Easter Lily to honour the men who fought and died for the Irish Republic? If so/not then why/why not?

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Vandango

Yes I will be wearing an Easter Lily and I'll be getting one posted over to me. You can get a lot of stuff here in Amsterdam, but Easter lilies ain't one of them.

freedominacup

Yamanoto wrote: »

And the graves of those who engaged in violence (against the Irish people), long after that republic had been established.

FYP. Long list of victims.

P_1

Won't be wearing one. Hopefully we won't have our own brand of poppy fascism manifest itself over it over the next few weeks.

tomwaterford

Il wear one...always do

Though tread needs poll

ancapailldorcha

Not sure where I'd get one here tbh. Also, might not be the best idea.

Samaris

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The British war effort was their concern. The only stabbing done was bayonets in the guts of young Irish people encouraged by John Redmond to make blood-sacrifice to gain that which the British had no right to deny them.

Good grief, they could have given the poor guys some training. You're supposed to stab the -other- guy in the guts with the bayonet, not just stand there and be stabbed yourself.

A terrible waste of life.

failinis

No, its way to closely connected with the IRA and such, in the North I feel anyway.

The flying mouse

Yes i be wearing one and no i am not in the ra.

Iwasfrozen

The flying mouse wrote: »

Yes i be wearing one and no i am not in the ra.

No you're just sympathetic.

Liberosis

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No you're just sympathetic.

Sympathetic to what exactly?

Samaris

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No you're just sympathetic.

Not necessarily (although perhaps, I don't know the fella from Adam!). There's no point in needless polarisation of the debate. Some people might want to wear it because it's a symbol of what's being specifically commemorated this year, some might want to wear it because of IRA associations, some'll probably wear it because other people seem to be. Tbh, I wouldn't have known anything about this Easter Lily (although now I think of it, I -have- seen something about it before) without this thread.

Although I like arum lilies. Anyone know btw how it came to be particularly associated with the Rising? Were arum lilies even commonly imported or grown at that period or is it something that became associated after? It's a South African/Lesothan flower, so how -did- it become attached? Or is it something to do with the sacrifice/mourning/purity connotations we already have with calla lilies?

Iwasfrozen

Liberosis wrote: »

Sympathetic to what exactly?

The 'RA and their actions thereof.

The flying mouse

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No you're just sympathetic.

It was introduced by the Cumann na mBan in 1926 to commemorate 1916. Don't see anything wrong with that.

I wonder if the same people criticizing it on here would also condemn the wearing of the British poppy? Or is it just the violence of the colonized underdog that is objectionable?

Samaris

The flying mouse wrote: »

It was introduced by the Cumann na mBan in 1926 to commemorate 1916. Don't see anything wrong with that.

I wonder if the same people criticizing it on here would also condemn the wearing of the British poppy? Or is it just the violence of the colonized underdog that is objectionable?

Interesting! And no, I see nothing wrong with that, although I shall read up on that since I'm interested as to why they chose that.

I'm not condemning people who want to wear the flower, it's not for me personally, but I don't feel the need to slam everyone who doesn't think and do exactly what I do (or don't :P).

I can quite see that many people might not want to wear or show support to something they feel has been hijacked by a gang of terrorist thugs, of course. I don't know if it HAS been, I'm just going by impressions of others talking about it. And that is also fair enough, isn't it?

Liberosis

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The 'RA and their actions thereof.

So is everyone who wears a lily,which in this context would be to solely commemorate those who died during the Easter Rising alone, therefore also a "RA" sympathiser?

Jayop

Ah another thread going along nicely and then along pops someone to start calling people IRA sympathizers despite knowing nothing about them.

Junkyard Tom

Don't take the bait folks, it only encourages him.

doolox

...I have to admire him for the courage to stick to his principles and convictions in spite of attempts to vilify him for not wearing the poppy,but it was made clear that his background was from a nationalist side of things where such wearing would be seen as a betrayal.

I recall having debates with people from the north about such things as making a decision whether or not to engage in violent act in the face of personal attacks on a persons civil rights and freedoms and I would find it hard not to react in such a way. I am heartily glad I was never tested in my journey through life as some people were who lived close to the troubles in NI in our lifetimes and I now find it hard to judge the actions or convictions of people who felt it necessary to engage in violence for political ends.

Mr. CooL ICE

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No, because I'm not a big 'RA head

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The 'RA and their actions thereof.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No you're just sympathetic.

Mod:

You've ruined enough recent threads with this kind of rubbish. Thread is about the Easter Lily, not the IRA.

KingBrian2

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

There was no conscription in Ireland the 200,000 Irishmen went to fight voluntarily

The Irish Volunteers were set up before the National Volunteers and the war was sold as a defence of Ireland and home rule which we now know was a lie. Therefore according to IPP every Irish person was supposed to fight for Ireland by fighting in the WW1. Doing nothing would mean the Kaiser would occupy the country. It was the duty of every loyal Irishman to fight for Ireland. As a side note the Unionists were already traitors seeing how they already obtained weapons from the Germans. As it happened it was this that the famous "We serve neither King nor Kaiser banner was famously placed in front of Liberty Hall by the Citizen Army. So I repeat the 1916 rising was always voluntary the traitors and collaborators were not invited.

[Deleted User]

doolox wrote: »

I am of the belief that we as a nation would have been better off with home rule as achieved in 1914 but delayed by the 14-18 war.

This highlighted part is utter ahistorical rubbish from the John Bruton school of Redmondite revisionism - a revisionism that is propagated by no professional historian. As Ronan Fanning has incontrovertibly shown in his destruction of Bruton's claims right here, Home Rule was not "achieved" in 1914; a HR bill was on the statute but by March 1914 the British overthrew it by deciding to partition the country, a partition which Redmond signed up to but deceitfully did not tell the men he encouraged to use violence to achieve the political aims of the British Empire in WW I. He promised them they would get "Home Rule" but deliberately did not tell them it would be nothing like the Home Rule Ireland that had been on the cards for decades before. Redmond did not tell them because he knew he would lose his position as leader of nationalist Ireland immediately. WW I saved Redmond's position by deferring realisation of what he had agreed to in March 1914 until the end of the war. Redmond was a self-serving, warmongering, self-declared imperialist and 100% overfed establishment figure who was happiest wining and dining in London.

doolox wrote: »

As Collins said the home rule arrangement gave Ireland the freedom to achieve freedom, but the hotheads and violent people on both sides have cocked things up.

Collins, who obviously opposed the establishment imperialist that was Redmond and fought in the Easter Rising, said that in January 1922 about the Anglo-Irish Treaty of December 1921, not about any variant of HR allegedly "won" by Redmond in 1914.

PS: And fascinating to know that Redmond who allegedly "achieved Home Rule" is not one of the "violent people". Please read Redmond's infamous Woodenbridge speech in September 1914.

[Deleted User]

doolox wrote: »

There are no "good" deaths or "bad" deaths just as there are no good countries or bad countries.

This is ridiculously embarrassing pc nonsense. The British Empire, to take a pertinent example, was clearly a bad thing for all lovers of freedom and the rights of small nations to self-determination free from colonial occupation and exploitation by settler-colonialists and their supremacy complex.

doolox wrote: »

People get tied up in historical tragedies for which most are not responsible for. Most are doing their duty at a particular time.

Hopefully you'll have the moral consistency to extend this to the poor men who served for, say, the Nazis in WW II. Hopefully next year the British will take this to heart and start honouring all those who fought against them. I won't be holding my breath.

doolox wrote: »

when the truth is that 1916 was a tragedy and all the dead deserve equal and non judgmental remembrance at this distant remove from a historical event.

Great. This includes Cromwell, Hitler, Genghis, Thatcher, Suharto and Pinochet?

doolox wrote: »

The Joe Duffy show today had a woman on the radio criticising the listing of all the dead of 1916 to 1922 on a wall plaque in Glasnevin cemetary because the republican dead would be mixed in with the civilian dead and the British dead.

I don't see the British state commemorating any of its victims, never mind people who have occupied Britain for centuries, in their annual two-month gorge of war glorification, organised by the former Nazi collaborators but reborn uberBrits, the Royal British Legion. Yet such vacuous, meaningless nonsense is worthy of the Irish. There is no comparison between the Irishmen who risked everything to take on the greatest Empire in world history for the freedom of our small country and the well-paid uniformed thugs of that Empire and all it symbolised. None whatever so get rid of that ridiculously blinkered notion quick smart.

YFlyer

No. I'm cosmic.

Madd Finn

seamus wrote: »

No, just the graves of those they consider patriots and republican war heroes. Including those who were still carrying out attacks on the UK after the establishment of the Irish Free State.

And those who collaborated with the Nazis in World War Two. Like Sean Russell.

Bloody Fascists.

[Deleted User]

Madd Finn wrote: »

And those who collaborated with the Nazis in World War Two. Like Sean Russell.

Bloody Fascists.

Strange how people who ply this line consistently overlook the thousands of British people who collaborated with the Nazis, but there's that "the nice British Empire fought WW II to free the Jews" understanding of history again.

[Deleted User]

I'll wear an Easter Lily if I see them for sale, something I've never seen. The National Graves Association does fantastic work and I'd have no problem funding them. About 20,000 more memorials and streetnames and we've equalled the number glorifying the British Empire in this country.

RTÉ has a fantastic guide to what's on for the Easter Rising celebrations. There are ticketed and non-ticketed events. Many are already sold out. Here it is:

Easter Rising events

Junkyard Tom

I must say Fuaranach that you consistently knock the sliotar out of the stadium when it comes to exposing double standards, propaganda, and outright lies. Fair play to you Sir.

StringerBell

I'll be wearing it, as I always have. Nothing wrong with it, don't care if others don't wear it. Tis great to be a live and let live kinda guy you know.

rubadub

ScumLord wrote: »

I didn't know easter lillies was a thing. Never heard of it. No, .

Never heard of it either, I only looked at this thread to find out what new scam the florists and card companies had thought up to flog their superfluous shite.

davycc

ill wear one same as every easter in living memory