RedemptionZ wrote: » Obviously nobody knows what is said behind closed doors and what Conor actually thinks or believes, but seeing the way he approached that fight it seems himself and SBG believed he truly had the left hook of Tyson. Because to be fair if he hit harder he would've knocked Nate out in the first. Learning you're not immortal won't be nice for Conor but he should become a better fighter from this. Knowing your limitations is extremely important.
Tazzimus wrote: » He has serious power in his left, Nate is just virtually un-knockoutable, as is Nick. Both of them are famous for two things really, endless cardio and being able to absorb inhuman amounts of damage. I don't think Nates ever been KO'd has he? I know theres a TKO or 2 on his record but don't think there's any KO's
darced wrote: » You cant compare boxing to MMA, boxers train for one discipline only. In MMA you are required to punch, kick, wrestle, scramble and fight against the cage. It is extremely difficult to prepare for cardio wise. Any overexertion in one aspect can have a domino effect and lead to the best prepared fighter gassing. Anyone any thoughts on the training approaches of both fighters in relation to gas tanks, Conor as we know spars light while the Diaz brothers are from boxing backgrounds and from anything Ive seen spar hard?
Gamebred wrote: » He fought Aldo 2 and a half months ago,take away down time after it and 2 weeks before this fight,thats 4 of them weeks he wasnt doing hard training for definite (maybe,im guessing) There is no way your body can being in prime shape fighting 12kg heavier than your used to,not a hope in hell,to build up the cardio and strength for that it would take at least a few months of training,what I also wonder is did he slack on actual cardio training because he didnt have as much weight to cut as usual? All could be reasons for the poor performance and again taking nothing away from Diaz who had every excuse not to win.
TheNap wrote: » Cant agree . He would still have came in close to 169 come fight night . He also wouldnt have been caught with as many punches due to being in better condition.
irishguy1983 wrote: » I think it is the bottom line - he needs to be able to go more than 2 rounds - it's as simple as that. MMA requires 5 rounds and 5 minutes....Football requires you to be fit for 90 minutes....Rugby is 80 minutes...Do you think in other sports they tolerate someone saying they can only last 40% of what is required?
Kev_2012 wrote: » I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy. However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ. The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke. I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this. Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.
Mellor wrote: » Diaz wasn't than 169 last weekend. That's the point I was making. It's not as simply as that. Football, tennis, rugby all take place a similar pace from game to game for a reason. If a team tried to speed up play, they'd exhaust themselves quicker, but there's no way to win the match any sooner. An MMA fight is more like running a race of unknown distance. You take off at whatever speed you want, and the refs tells you when you've crossed the finish line. If Usain bolt started a 5km race, but took off at his sprint pace, he'd gas out very quickly and the lead he built up would disappear by the 2km mark when the field cruised past him. Nobody would look at that and say Bolt needs to work on his fitness, it would be fairly obvious that he messed up his pacing. That's exactly what happened with McGregor, but because the physical drain of loading up is invisible. People are blaming fitness.
Martypants1 wrote: » Strange time for that budweiser ad to be released after he gets beat.
Myrddin wrote: » I took that as a very accurate analysis by Conor. He certainly wasn't efficient with his energy, he loaded up power shot after power shot, and tried to KO Nate. Conor, by saying what he said, is acknowledging that this tactic was flawed, and he underestimated Nate's ability to weather power shots. I feel it was an admission by Conor that his game plan was very wrong, & that he underestimated Nate. I believe fighting at 170 only aided his gassing too, all that muscle needs oxygen after all. Do I think he could beat Nate again? Yeah, I think he could, but not in the way he'd like to. To beat Nate, Conor would have to essentially play it round by round, playing the points game. I don't think he can KO Nate, & I think Nate with a full camp and at 155 would be a step up again for Conor. I think from it all, Conor will learn from it, & come back stronger. He's arguably guilty of getting a bit complacent given how well he has done, but I think nobody knows that now better than him. That can be fixed, & it probably already has been by now truth be told. His next fight has a serious monkey on its back though, Edgar or Aldo will go into the fight with the bit between their teeth, & Conor will be carrying the weight of his first loss in UFC. It'll be a fascinating, but hugely important fight for him. Two losses in a row, & one back at 145, would be pretty bad.
JustShon wrote: » I don't think anyone is crazy enough to claim that McGregor isn't fit but, to use your own analogy, I think McGregor is very much used to sprints and not marathons. He trains for sprints; quick finishes, 1st or 2nd round knockouts. I'm not sh1tting on his fitness levels but a little more endurance training might not go astray.
Mellor wrote: » You say people are crazy enough to claim its fitness. Then in the very next line you do exactly that. How exactly do you suggest he trains for sprints and quick finishes specifically? That would mean doing short hard rounds in training, with long rests. I've seen nothing to suggest he trains like that tbh. A quick finish was how he approached the fight, but claiming he trains like that is highly speculative tbh.
JustShon wrote: » I guess what I'm trying to say is that he's used to expending all his energy in one go. When was the last time (or the first) that he had to do a full 5 rounds? When was the last time it even went to 3?
You're right, I am just speculating on his training but considering how he, so far, tries to end fight so quickly I don't see him having trained for longer fights. Why would he when he usually destroys his opponents in a round or two?
Mellor wrote: » You are confusing his fights with his training. He has spent less than one hour in the UFC octagon. Since signing for the UFC, he has maybe had 1000+ training hours.
JustShon wrote: » Sure, but it depends on what kind of training he's been doing; power vs accuracy, endurance etc. His aim has so far been to end his fights early. It's just speculation like you said but it seems unlikely to me that he's been training to outlast his opponents in the octagon.
Mellor wrote: » I hit send a bit early on the above post. Was adding the rest in, it covers the above. While it's not impossible that someone could train like that. I've seen enough of Conor training and SBG in general to be pretty sure that he doesn't do that. And if he did, I dont think he'd have turned out as good as he did.
GiftofGab wrote: » So guys, this probably deserves its own thread but who would you like to see at UFC 200. My ideal card would be: Lawler vs GSP McGregor vs Aldo RDA vs Diaz Edgar vs Holloway
