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Do you think a referendum on abortion would be passed?(not how you'd vote)

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During the lead up to the general election I heard some talk about the 8th amendment being repealed and it being an important election issue. Outside of a few candidates and people online. I didn't really find people gave much thought when they were voting. A good few pro life candidates who want to keep the 8th amendment were elected.
If we were to have a referendum on the issue I'm not sure it would be passed. It would depend on what we would be voting on. Would it only be for cases of rape/incest or would it be abortion on demand.
If it was for cases of rape/incest. Would this be hard to prove. So would we essential be voting for abortion on demand.
Going on the marriage referendum a good few constituencies were close enough on voting No. So I think these areas would probably vote No. I could also see another few areas voting No also. I think areas around Dublin would probably vote Yes but it wouldn't be around the 70%. So these areas might pull up the national average.
I know a good few people who'd happily voted Yes last May but they wouldn't support abortion. These would be young/old people and from different areas.
I also know people who'd support abortion
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thattequilagirl

Dick phelan wrote: »

On the issue of term limit what should it be then? I find it hard to support abortion at a stage where babies are know to have survived, find it very hard to justify abortion at a late stage like 20+ weeks. So what limit would abortion be at, would it change as medicine advances, like it's lowered because babies can now potentially survive at this stage? At the moment i don't have an issue with abortions early into pregnancy, as pointed out the majority actually happen at the early stage, 9 weeks ect. Issue i have is when you see what i would consider babies of 20 weeks or thereabouts being aborted, i believe at that stage it's hard to not see it as a baby maybe not fully formed yet but certainly not just a collection of cells.

I believe 16 weeks is the earliest a baby can survive outside the womb, so I would support a limit of 14 weeks.

thattequilagirl

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

How does telling someone if they are having sex they need to keep in mind the possibility (however small) of a pregnancy occurring (and if it happens then abortion should not be an option) = that drivel you are posting?

How you are arriving at that conclusion is a mystery. I never said they should have known better or kept their legs together. I said if someone gets pregnant they should have the baby and an abortion should not be an option.

The fact that you can't see the link between what you're saying and what I'm saying is a massive part of the problem.

Huntergonzo

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

Bizarre stuff completely unrelated to anything I posted.

Haha, oh you, you're gas, might actually be my favourite poster now :-)

Arkady

Elyse Quiet Canoe wrote: »

What brought us the Magdalene laundries was the hatred and stigma of female sexuality, actually. There were hundreds of thousands of unwanted pregnancies in good old contraception free Ireland which happened within the confines of marriage, but those were A-OK.

Not every woman or girl who was committed to a laundry was pregnant. I mean the name of the laundries might give you a bit of a clue as to their ethos?

Failing to see why this makes it ok to take another human life today.

rainbow kirby

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I believe 16 weeks is the earliest a baby can survive outside the womb, so I would support a limit of 14 weeks.

The earliest was just under 22 weeks.

Arkady

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I believe 16 weeks is the earliest a baby can survive outside the womb, so I would support a limit of 14 weeks.

and anyone who wants to terminate another human life between 14 and 24 weeks should head off to England ?

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Arkady wrote: »

Failing to see why this makes it ok to take another human life today.

I was just responding to your mistaken assertion that it was a stigma against unwanted pregnancy that led to the laundries.

Arkady

Elyse Quiet Canoe wrote: »

I was just responding to your mistaken assertion that it was a stigma against unwanted pregnancy that led to the laundries.

It isn't, but still failing to see why this makes it ok to take another human life today ?

thattequilagirl

Arkady wrote: »

It isn't, but still failing to see why this makes it ok to take another human life today ?

They're not directly related- it's a slight tangent from the main thread.

SEPT 23 1989

rainbow kirby wrote: »

I'm comfortable with the UK limit of 24 weeks tbh - the overwhelming majority of procedures (90+%) are in the first trimester anyway with a high proportion of those being before 10 weeks, and many conditions which often result in a TFMR are only diagnosed at 18-22 weeks at the anatomy scan and after some further testing following that.

Are you comfortable with a healthy child being terminated at 24 weeks?

deseil

Arkady wrote: »

It isn't, but still failing to see why this makes it ok to take another human life today ?

Children have such a financial emotional and physical effect on every parent who has them. I respect your opinion and your right to never abort but why should you get to choose anothers path because of your views?
The state does not raise a child, a parent does and if they do not feel able or ready they should be allowed the choice not to.

Arkady

deseil wrote: »

Children have such a financial emotional and physical effect on every parent who has them. I respect your opinion and your right to never abort but why should you get to choose anothers path because of your views?
The state does not raise a child, a parent does and if they do not feel able or ready they should be allowed the choice not to.

They already do, there are thousands of Irish people on waiting lists desperate to adopt who can raise the child and give them a loving fulfilled life and home, where they can become wanted members of Irish society, there isn't any need to end their life because the timing is inconvenient for someone else.

deseil

Arkady wrote: »

They already do, there are thousands of Irish people on waiting lists desperate to adopt who can raise the child and give them a loving fulfilled life and home, where they can become wanted members of Irish society, there isn't any need to end their life because the timing is inconvenient for someone else.

Ah come on!are you seriously suggesting a woman goes through the trauma of carrying a child and giving birth with all her family friends and work colleagues obviously knowing,and then she just gives the baby away and nobody ever talks about it again and she goes on with her life?
Its not going to happen unless we hide her away and go back to the laundry days.

Arkady

deseil wrote: »

Ah come on!are you seriously suggesting a woman goes through the trauma of carrying a child and giving birth with all her family friends and work colleagues obviously knowing,and then she just gives the baby away and nobody ever talks about it again and she goes on with her life?
Its not going to happen unless we hide her away and go back to the laundry days.

Do you not think it's about time that stigma you seem to want to perpetuate and play into was removed from Irish society and stood up to, instead of thinking the solution in order not to offend your precious social standing is killing the child ?

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deseil wrote: »

Ah come on!are you seriously suggesting a woman goes through the trauma of carrying a child and giving birth with all her family friends and work colleagues obviously knowing,and then she just gives the baby away and nobody ever talks about it again and she goes on with her life?
Its not going to happen unless we hide her away and go back to the laundry days.

Imagine what people will think of her if they find out she had an abortion (and word of these things always gets around) if they think giving the baby up for adoption is such a talking point.

bodice ripper

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

Imagine what people will think of her if they find out she had an abortion (and word of these things always gets around) if they think giving the baby up for adoption is such a talking point.

I am not an incubator. If I chose to have an abortion, people around me can accept it, or not talk to me again.

deseil

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

Imagine what people will think of her if they find out she had an abortion (and word of these things always gets around) if they think giving the baby up for adoption is such a talking point.

Thats her business why would she tell anyone.
Your all so bloody brainwashed.
No one has any right to force a life on another that they dont want! If you personally want or dont want children thats your choice.
Forcing your views on someone you dont know or support in anyway is just plain wrong.

eviltwin

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

Imagine what people will think of her if they find out she had an abortion (and word of these things always gets around) if they think giving the baby up for adoption is such a talking point.

Believe it or not most people couldn't care less if a woman has had an abortion.

Kirby

Gay marriage passed. This leads me to believe enough of the population are finally enlightened enough that this would pass. Not everyone, this is still Ireland after all. After the states, we are easily the most religions of the 1st world nations. That's going to take more time to correct.

So I'm guessing it would pass by a slim majority but pass all the same.

Arkady

deseil wrote: »

Forcing your views on someone you dont know or support in anyway is just plain wrong.

But apparently taking their life instead is ok.

[Deleted User]

eviltwin wrote: »

Believe it or not most people couldn't care less if a woman has had an abortion.

I was pointing out that if the poster thinks people will talk about someone giving birth and putting it up for adoption they will talk as much or most likely more about someone having an abortion.

I'd also imagine that everyone who would vote no, which is very possible to be over 50% of voters would have issue with people who have had one.

deseil wrote: »

Forcing your views on someone you dont know or support in anyway is just plain wrong.

Is that what a person who has killed someone says when they are in jail? Why are people forcing their views on me about murder being wrong.

Arkady

Kirby wrote: »

Gay marriage passed. This leads me to believe enough of the population are finally enlightened enough that this would pass. Not everyone, this is still Ireland after all. After the states, we are easily the most religions of the 1st world nations. That's going to take more time to correct.

Being pro Gay has nothing to do with abortion, nor does religion, atheism or theism.

The rights and wrongs of taking another human life is not dependent on any of these things.

AlexisM

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

Imagine what people will think of her if they find out she had an abortion (and word of these things always gets around) if they think giving the baby up for adoption is such a talking point.

What are you on about? 'Word' rarely gets around about people having abortions. Other than 3 friends who told me, I have never heard of anyone else having an abortion even though I must know loads who have going by the numbers. And the 3 friends - no-one knows that they haven't told. No gossip at all. Whereas if they had gone through with the pregnancy, the world and his wife would be gossiping about it.

SEPT 23 1989

I actually think debate on this issue is pointless your personal decision is a gut instinct basic reaction

Just let the people vote no arguments

CaraMay

eviltwin wrote: »

Believe it or not most people couldn't care less if a woman has had an abortion.

That's not the case. I Have two friends who have had an abortion and I privately found it very upsetting for a long time after they told me.

eviltwin

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

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I'd also imagine that everyone who would vote no, which is very possible to be over 50% of voters would have issue with people who have had one..

No you care and you would have issues with it. Most people don't have your narrow view of reality. What would you do if someone close to you had an abortion? Would you distance yourself from them?

eviltwin

CaraMay wrote: »

That's not the case. I Have two friends who have had an abortion and I privately found it very upsetting for a long time after they told me.

Are you still friends?

CaraMay

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I actually think debate on this issue is pointless your personal decision is a gut instinct basic reaction

Just let the people vote no arguments

Agreed! My gut will never change on this. To my core, I believe that unnecessary termination of life is wrong.

CaraMay

eviltwin wrote: »

Are you still friends?

Very much so. We are going on holidays in May. I've never expressed my feelings to her on the subject but silently I find it sad.

eviltwin

CaraMay wrote: »

Very much so. We are going on holidays in May. I've never expressed my feelings to her on the subject but silently I find it sad.

That's my point, you may not personally agree with it but you haven't let it damage your friendship.