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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

Lord TSC

Merry Xmas everyone.

Hopefully a new thread will see an upturn in fortunes :P

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bangkok

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Ibra for a year lads? or all out for Kane.

We realistically need 2 new forwards or 3 if Rooney leaves.

I would take Ibra on a 1 year contract, Greizemann and Sane

Our front 4 next season

Ibra

Martial

Greizemann

Sane

our team needs speed and skill. Martial can also play up front as Ibra wouldn't play all the games and depay could play left

Trigger

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Fans need to stop and think about Jose as the next manager.
Everybody want's change but arguably the majority of fans judgement on Jose is being clouded because they just want LVG gone out the door and have this pre-conceived notion that he can immediately turn water to wine which will ultimately lead to more disappointment.

At this stage it can't get any lower for me.

What alternative do you see that could be brought in that would do an equal or better job than Mourinho? That has proven himself and is available to take over?

There is a lot of people here that are the main vocal posters for Mourinho had wanted him to take over when Fergie left. The majority of the posts are not knee jerk or clouded by Van Gaal's failures. It's just Van Gaal's failures are bringing their opinions to the fore.

Obviously to a manager like Jose there is the other side to the coin and there is also people who would disagree with his appointment. They are entitled to that opinion and Jose has made it that their opinions hold weight with his antics over the last couple of years.

Imo we should be looking for a manager with the least amount of risk when it comes to winning games/trophies. And I believe Jose is the man that provides that especially after the last 2 failed managers. There is arguements for alternatives but I can't see anyone out there that has been a consistent winner as Jose.

bucketybuck

Howard the Duck wrote: »

Do i think LVG can turn the season around? Yes i think he has a chance and this is probably where 90% of Utd fans will disagree with me but they are 6 points outside the CL spots.

We know what we need to do to get back into top four, the problem is that absolutely nothing about the team suggests we are able to do it.

Its easy to say the words "turn things around", but what is the evidence for thinking its about to happen? Who are the players showing good form that might inspire others? Where are the performances that show what we can do if it clicks? Where are the tactical changes that make a difference and might win us games? We all want things to turn around, but is there anything at all that suggests its actually going to happen?

WallyGUFC

Howard the Duck wrote: »

Very good gotta give you that one. Can i ask why you think Woodward is to blame? do you think both him and LVG should go?

Woodward seems to be sticking by an obviously out of his depth LVG, no matter how bad results or performances get. Last night was one of the most embarrassing results in United's European history.

LVG's mismanagement of the squad has come back to hit him hard, most people could have seen this coming. He'll probably point to his promotion of youth when the fact is he's been forced to use young players because of his tiny squad and inevitable injuries. Granted some have done very well like CBJ and occasionally Lingard but you can't be relying on such a young team when fighting for top 4.

This is before we talk about his style of play which has already been discussed to death. I hoped we had turned a corner after Derby and Stoke. We played well against Chelsea too. But the last few games have been dross again.

I'd keep Woodward for the commercial side, get a football man in to deal with the football side and sack Van Gaal. Top 4 is gone now, so we might as well get someone in to experiment a few things before a big push next season. Whether that's Mourinho or not I don't know. If it's Giggs I'll cry.

Your Airbag

homerjay2005 wrote: »

while its clear that many people on here have finally seen the reality with Woodward, i am actually astounded that theirs still people here who fail to see he has blame in this entire scenario - the all our support for him and refusing to apportion any blame what so ever towards him, is one of the most bizzare things ive ever seen related to the club.

LVG is the main culprit but the players and Woodward are accountable also. no matter what business or sport you are in, if they business/club is spiraling into mediocrity with its results in its main stream (in this case football), then the man at the top comes into question.

No, people havent "seen the light". Stop trying to take on the plight of every UTD fan and stop speaking on behalf of this thread.

Your "real fan" i was right all the time stuff is tiresome. Your posts are over reactionary and downright emabrrassing most of the time, they way you label posters "fanboys" who have a different opinions and even those who attend games "muppets" is pathethic.

Most people on here would be mortified to have you as "the voice of the real fans". I don't care how many games you go to.

ericzeking

Are we back to transfers? It aint transfers we need, it's an effective style of play and the motivation of the players that we have that we need.

We have lots of very good players, who cost a lot of money already.

Mitch Connor

ericzeking wrote: »

Are we back to transfers? It aint transfers we need, it's an effective style of play and the motivation of the players that we have that we need.

We have lots of very good players, who cost a lot of money already.

And some bang average ones, and a small squad.

Regardless of who comes and and how they increase performance levels, LVG would be leaving a relatively poorly built squad in need to significant investment.

At a minimum we need, imo, a CB, a CM, a RW and a Striker.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

M!Ck^ wrote: »

There are more viable options that you may think;
Kane / Lukaku / Di Natale / Icardi / Aduriz / Ighalo / Eder / Higuan / Santos / Cavani / Vardy /

If we are to discuss marketing power as well as quality go higher and get Neymar / Bale / Ronaldo / Ibrahimovic / Lewandowski or somebody of that calibre.

If you were to look at the next best British it's got to be Kane

I think maybe Kane but do you really think he has shown enough to warrant 60 mil?

user2011

Your Airbag wrote: »

You seem to have trouble distinguishing between me stating the fact that we are injury ravaged and blaming the result on it.

I said it was a poor preformance, you seem to ignore that though.

Thats where reason and logic comes into it and where lots of people on here struggle. Its either all out revolt against LVG and woodward or your a fanboy. The your with is us or against our opinions is laughable

Here is a mad concept, lets see can you grasp it. You don't have to pick between injury crisis and poor preformance when it comes to poor results, it can be a combination of both, actually in can be a mixture of a lot of things.

You seem the one not able to grasp what you write,

It was a poor performance but??? Followed by the excuse which was injury ravaged squad.

Rossi IRL

Pheonix10 wrote: »

I think maybe Kane but do you really think he has shown enough to warrant 60 mil?

Break the bank for him, if it costs 60 then so be it. Id say Spurs will be holding out for more though.

Howard the Duck

ericzeking wrote: »

Are we back to transfers? It aint transfers we need, it's an effective style of play and the motivation of the players that we have that we need.

We have lots of very good players, who cost a lot of money already.

I'd disagree i think we need at least two more strikers, my biggest criticism Of LVG would be the fact he got rid of Wellbeck and Hernandez. Lack of goals has been our issues all season.

Your Airbag

user2011 wrote: »

You seem the one not able to grasp what you write,

It was a poor performance but??? Followed by the excuse which was injury ravaged squad.

I'm perfectly capable, you on the other hand.....

Ok I'll try a third time and lets see does the penny drop

It WAS a poor preformance but we were injury ravaged. So my first comment was about how poor the preformance was and then I acknowledged the injuries.

So a combination of BOTH. Sometimes we play poorly with a strong eleven, sometimes not. Thats the thing about football, lots of different factors come into it. So stop trying to put words into my mouth and listen.

Are you denying our injuries have an impact on the strenght and preformance levels of the team? Our injured first eleven would have been bettered than whats out there last night.

To ignore it all together is crazy, but hey, you just want the agree with me or your a fanboy stance, after all a UTD thread is not about discussion of such things right?

[Deleted User]

astradave wrote: »

What alternative do you see that could be brought in that would do an equal or better job than Mourinho? That has proven himself and is available to take over?

There is a lot of people here that are the main vocal posters for Mourinho had wanted him to take over when Fergie left. The majority of the posts are not knee jerk or clouded by Van Gaal's failures. It's just Van Gaal's failures are bringing their opinions to the fore.

Obviously to a manager like Jose there is the other side to the coin and there is also people who would disagree with his appointment. They are entitled to that opinion and Jose has made it that their opinions hold weight with his antics over the last couple of years.

Imo we should be looking for a manager with the least amount of risk when it comes to winning games/trophies. And I believe Jose is the man that provides that especially after the last 2 failed managers. There is arguements for alternatives but I can't see anyone out there that has been a consistent winner as Jose.

Tbf Dave, I'm also looking outside of this thread

Friends & Fan's I meet

I'm not solely pointing towards Jose's antics I'm actually pointing towards his proven track record.
But my main concerns are:

He stays for 1-3 years maximum
He has a history of falling out with players
He has a history of spending huge amounts of cash and some of his transfers have been questionable
He doesn't develop youth
Recently he took a title winning side and nearly put them in a relegation battle and wasn't able to recover nor has he ever recovered from downturn in fortunes.
How much power will he actually be given at Utd
The board have openly admitted there dislike for Jose (How much conflict could be caused)
He's going to butcher the side as it currently stands but there is actually a decent team in there that just needs to be built upon and developed further, Mata is finished

I have already said who I want to lead the club as Manager multiple times so don't want to get into it too much again.
It's Simeone as mentioned before (I would class him as an upgrade on Jose)
He actually reminds me of Jose back in his Porto days but he manages his players much better
And what's even more gutting is it looks like he's on his way to Chelsea but there is still a chance if the board get there act together.

And I also mentioned that if Potch managed to lift the title for Spurs then I would have him before Jose but at the moment he's a risk as he's won nothing but he ticks the boxes when it comes to positive progression of a team.

[Deleted User]

Pheonix10 wrote: »

I think maybe Kane but do you really think he has shown enough to warrant 60 mil?

Player pricing in 2016 is irrelevant now. Football has changed.

60 million is the standard price you are going to pay and that's only going to get worse.

He's talented, he's English and he's currently under contract.

Pay the money for him and that's that

jimmytwotimes 2013

Arsene Wenger called Man Utd a rival regarding Debuchy story.

Delighted with that.......... a rival!!

[Deleted User]

Omg it's getting worse. Where the **** is the bottom of this pit...we need Chuck Norris

"David de Gea will have a scan on his injured knee on Friday, according to Sky sources."

Trigger

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Tbf Dave, I'm also looking outside of this thread
Friends & Fan's I meet

I'm not solely pointing towards Jose's antics I'm actually pointing towards his proven track record.
But my main concerns are:

He stays for 1-3 years maximum
He has a history of falling out with players
He has a history of spending huge amounts of cash and some of his transfers have been questionable
He doesn't develop youth
Recently he took a title winning side and nearly put them in a relegation battle and wasn't able to recover nor has he ever recovered from downturn in fortunes.
How much power will he actually be given at Utd
The board have openly admitted there dislike for Jose (How much conflict could be caused)
He's going to butcher the side as it currently stands but there is actually a decent team in there that just needs to be built upon and developed further, Mata is finished

I have already said who I want to lead the club as Manager multiple times so don't want to get into it too much again.
It's Simeone as mentioned before (I would class him as an upgrade on Jose)
He actually reminds me of Jose back in his Porto days but he manages his players much better
And what's even more gutting is it looks like he's on his way to Chelsea but there is still a chance if the board get there act together.

And I also mentioned that if Potch managed to lift the title for Spurs then I would have him before Jose but at the moment he's a risk as he's won nothing but he ticks the boxes when it comes to positive progression of a team.

Cheers Mick, nice well thought out post. I'll reply later with a few points myself when I'm on my laptop and not on my phone. I do agree with some of your points too but even the greatest have flaws

Rossi IRL

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Omg it's getting worse. Where the **** is the bottom of this pit...we need Chuck Norris

"David de Gea will have a scan on his injured knee on Friday, according to Sky sources."

I fear for us if Dave gets a long injury. We could even end up outside the top 10.

He will be gone in the summer anyway so next season could be even worse.: (

ronjo

Your Airbag wrote: »

I'm perfectly capable, you on the other hand.....

Ok I'll try a third time and lets see does the penny drop

It WAS a poor preformance but we were injury ravaged. So my first comment was about how poor the preformance was and then I acknowledged the injuries.

So a combination of BOTH. Sometimes we play poorly with a strong eleven, sometimes not. Thats the thing about football, lots of different factors come into it. So stop trying to put words into my mouth and listen.

Are you denying our injuries have an impact on the strenght and preformance levels of the team? Our injured first eleven would have been bettered than whats out there last night.

To ignore it all together is crazy, but hey, you just want the agree with me or your a fanboy stance, after all a UTD thread is not about discussion of such things right?

United were playing a Danish team who hadnt had a competitive game in 9 weeks and were absolutely mullered by Napoli in the groups. There really shouldnt be a BUT anywhere.

v3ttel

Your Airbag wrote: »

I'm perfectly capable, you on the other hand.....

Ok I'll try a third time and lets see does the penny drop

It WAS a poor preformance but we were injury ravaged. So my first comment was about how poor the preformance was and then I acknowledged the injuries.

So a combination of BOTH. Sometimes we play poorly with a strong eleven, sometimes not. Thats the thing about football, lots of different factors come into it. So stop trying to put words into my mouth and listen.

Are you denying our injuries have an impact on the strenght and preformance levels of the team? Our injured first eleven would have been bettered than whats out there last night.

To ignore it all together is crazy, but hey, you just want the agree with me or your a fanboy stance, after all a UTD thread is not about discussion of such things right?

The problem happens when you take over a club, sell an entire squad of players over 18 months, and then blame the lack of results on injuries.

The injuries have had an impact, but our football when everyone was fit was dross.

We still had Smalling, Blind, Carrick, Herrera, Mata, Martial, Lingard/Depay who would arguably make the best 11.

That's 7 out of our best 11 available, against a team who hadn't played a competitive game for 2 months, in Europe's second competition.

There is no excuse for that performance. It was complete bollocks. Look at Mata's attempt to win the ball back before their second goal. That lack of effort there is not down to injuries.

Your Airbag

ronjo wrote: »

United were playing a Danish team who hadnt had a competitive game in 9 weeks and were absolutely mullered by Napoli in the groups. There really shouldnt be a BUT anywhere.

Whats the teams nationaility got to do with anything? What does Napolis result have to do with anything?

Midtjylland beat Southampton, we beat them at home and they did the same to us. Football is unpredicatble like that, Midtjylland could be beaten by us in the second leg or they could progress and defeat Napoli/

FC Copenhagen are Danish also, and they beat us under Fergie, held a Pep manged Barca to a draw.

Writing off a team based on nationality is just plain daft. Just because its not the EPL, la Liga or German league doesn't mean they are walkovers.

bucketybuck

v3ttel wrote: »

There is no excuse for that performance.

At this point Van Gaal could put out the Fifa pro team and not get a performance.

Lord TSC

https://twitter.com/Stirling061/status/700624545640640514

Ian Sterling (Vice-Chair of the Manchester United Supports Trust and IMUSA officer.): Reliably informed Giggs will walk if Mourinho appointed. Also, he won't take the job as interim. Reason for Woodward stalling?

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Stirling061/status/700624545640640514

Ian Sterling (Vice-Chair of the Manchester United Supports Trust and IMUSA officer.): Reliably informed Giggs will walk if Mourinho appointed. Also, he won't take the job as interim. Reason for Woodward stalling?

Couldn't care less if Giggs walks - and as for him not being interim manager - SO WHAT? Just hire Jose now if that is what you want.

The club is so inept.

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Stirling061/status/700624545640640514

Ian Sterling (Vice-Chair of the Manchester United Supports Trust and IMUSA officer.): Reliably informed Giggs will walk if Mourinho appointed. Also, he won't take the job as interim. Reason for Woodward stalling?

So basically Giggs is holding the club to ransom to get the managers job. Woody needs to get him out the door along with LVG. Woody probably under pressure from the likes of Fergie and Bobby to keep Giggs at the club..

The club has gone to **** :pac: I'd be upset if it wasn't so laughable

ronjo

Your Airbag wrote: »

Whats the teams nationaility got to do with anything? What does Napolis result have to do with anything?

Midtjylland beat Southampton, we beat them at home and they did the same to us. Football is unpredicatble like that, Midtjylland could be beaten by us in the second leg or they could progress and defeat Napoli/

FC Copenhagen are Danish also, and they beat us under Fergie, held a Pep manged Barca to a draw.

Writing off a team based on nationality is just plain daft. Just because its not the EPL, la Liga or German league doesn't mean they are walkovers.

I genuinely dont know how to respond to that other than to say I am really happy with that result as an Arsenal fan knowing that LVG has to play his strongest 11 next Thursday due to that result last night.

bangkok

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Player pricing in 2016 is irrelevant now. Football has changed.

60 million is the standard price you are going to pay and that's only going to get worse.

He's talented, he's English and he's currently under contract.

Pay the money for him and that's that

depending on the scouts etc you can pick up bargains...

Kante...5m
Mahrez 400k
rakitic 12m to barca
andre ayew free

probably loads more I cant even think of

harry kane was probably worth less than 5m 3 years ago, its up to United and the scouts to find the next harry kane. I would much rather pay 60m plus another 10 or 20m for a pogba or a bale

Quandary

If that is true, let Giggs walk. He has done nothing to suggest he is remotely capable of managing a club like Utd. He has given the club 20 odd years of incredible service as a player but that is in no way shape or form enough to consider him for the job.

Appointing Mark Hughes would make more sense if the club want to be nostalgic and romantic about it.

[Deleted User]

bangkok wrote: »

depending on the scouts etc you can pick up bargains...

Kante...5m
Mahrez 400k
rakitic 12m to barca
andre ayew free

probably loads more I cant even think of

harry kane was probably worth less than 5m 3 years ago, its up to United and the scouts to find the next harry kane. I would much rather pay 60m plus another 10 or 20m for a pogba or a bale

Bargains? If you want to be back to the top immediately then bargains can **** right off.
You can't have the best of both worlds.
All I hear are people saying "we want success, we want trophies now now now!"
Buying risk / potential is not going to give you that especially if Jose takes charge. (He won't allow this and I believe he doesn't have the ability to develop a team in this manner)
We have enough of potential (with the correct manager potential can lead to success, Simeone / Potch) in the current squad so it's time to start taking the bull by the horns and buying big and mixing them into the team.
Kane has a proven goal-scoring record in the PL what more do you want?
This is actually a +point for Jose (I'm not all negative about him either) as at least he will go to the Board and say I want to spunk huge money on player X if we want to compete for the league next season.

To add to that TBF to Jose he will do the ground work and identify the big name targets.

Giggsy11

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Kane.
Lewandowski.
Aubameyang.
Icardi.
Dybala.
Higuain.
Lukaku.
Griezmann.
Cavanni.
Lacazette.

Rooney hasn't be a top world star in terms of actual performances in a long time - there are many players who could effectively replace him. Not even just that list.

IIRC you said Hernandez was not good enough to be a first choice player for United, in that case how is Icardi anywhere near the standard we should be looking to recruit.

Also looks like this season Lacazette isn't scoring like last season.