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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

Lord TSC

Merry Xmas everyone.

Hopefully a new thread will see an upturn in fortunes :P

Mod Note - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98323109&postcount=2331
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dr.kenneth noisewater

Antibac wrote: »

Thanks for that. Listening now. Is there any general football ones that are as good?

Football Weekly and Second Captains are probably the best. Some like the Football Ramble but I gave up on it

Maximus Alexander

Antibac wrote: »

Thanks for that. Listening now. Is there any general football ones that are as good?

Check out the Football Ramble.

Lucas Hood

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Don't Check out the Football Ramble.

FYP.

Load of crap.

Maximus Alexander

Lucas Hood wrote: »

FYP.

Load of crap.

I'm sure he can make up his own mind about that if he checks it out.

Rossi IRL

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Antibac wrote: »

Thanks for that. Listening now. Is there any general football ones that are as good?

Second Captains are probably the best. Some like the Football Ramble but I gave up on it

I tend to not listen to Second Captains anymore as i find the curly headed guy annoying. It sounds like he hates United the whole time.
Then on their other podcast he gets shipped off to Vegas to watch UFC fights and lets us all know that he hates it and still gets to go everytime.

[Deleted User]

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I tend to not listen to Second Captains anymore as i find the curly headed guy annoying. It sounds like he hates United the whole time.
Then on their other podcast he gets shipped off to Vegas to watch UFC fights and lets us all know that he hates it and still gets to go everytime.

Ken was a United fan growing up afaik. He is harsher towards Liverpool really. I think he's great. Sending him to Vegas is brilliant too as he sees it from a different perspective than if they sent someone over who was going to be jarring with the lads the entire time.

homerjay2005

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Hey lads, any of ye travel regularly to home or away games fancy helping me with a college assignment. I havnt been able to travel over in a few years so could do with some fresh insight. PM me if ye have a few mins to spare. Thanks

sure, drop me a PM with what you need!

spiralism

Chris_Bradley wrote: »

That will only happen if CL aint confirmed for next season.

This is the problem right here. Learning nothing from the Moyes debacle and bolting the gate once the horse has already ran. If we'd pulled the plug on Stephen's day and got Mourinho right in, we'd probably be only a point off the top 4 at the absolute worst and still in with an outside chance of the title given how tight it is up there. Instead we're ****ed with basically no chance of the top 4.

Woodward out.

Howard the Duck

ElChe32 wrote: »

South Stand to be renamed Sir Bobby Charlton stand

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2016/Feb/South-Stand-at-Old-Trafford-renamed-Sir-Bobby-Charlton-Stand.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd

Lord TSC wrote: »

Maybe we are bribing Bobby. "we will name a stand after you so you don't get so upset if we bring in Jose" :P

That was exactly my thoughts

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

are you arsene wenger? How do you know he is not first choice?

Are you Arsene Wenger? How do you know he is first choice?

bangkok wrote: »

When everyone is fit and available he will start in place of either Walcott, Ox or Campbell who have all played when welbeck was injured

It will be just like last season. He'll get plenty of games; sometimes he'll start ahead of those three, sometimes they'll start ahead of him.

The_Kew_Tour

LVG is here till end of season, think it's wishful thinking hoping to be gone sooner, sadly.

Lord TSC

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

LVG is here till end of season, think it's wishful thinking hoping to be gone sooner, sadly.

The positivity bullet train has me pressing F5 constantly, hoping you're wrong :P

bangkok

Pro. F wrote: »

Are you Arsene Wenger? How do you know he is first choice?

It will be just like last season. He'll get plenty of games; sometimes he'll start ahead of those three, sometimes they'll start ahead of him.

well going on last season, Arsenals biggest game of the season was the champions league knock out game v Monaco. That is where you play your first choice team. Welbeck started both games so that should tell you how highly he is rated by Wenger and that he is also first choice

spiralism

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

LVG is here till end of season, think it's wishful thinking hoping to be gone sooner, sadly.

If not longer. Given that Woodward is his staunchest supporter and supposedly talked him out of resigning and the board out of sacking him, i wouldn't be surprised if his leash was considerably longer than Moyes's.

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

The positivity bullet train has me pressing F5 constantly, hoping you're wrong :P

Not even a whisper on twitter

I hope I'm wrong but it looks like he is going to see out the season

Your not the only one actually..

http://twitter.com/kpsundayworld/status/699193935462273024

The_Kew_Tour

spiralism wrote: »

If not longer. Given that Woodward is his staunchest supporter and supposedly talked him out of resigning and the board out of sacking him, i wouldn't be surprised if his leash was considerably longer than Moyes's.

Unless he wins EL or somehow gets CL football I can't see him staying.

2 months ago, I honestly thought it as best for LVG to stay, till end of season, but now I don't think we have much choice, but look elsewhere, unless something drastic happens

bangkok

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Unless he wins EL or somehow gets CL football I can't see him staying.

2 months ago, I honestly thought it as best for LVG to stay, till end of season, but now I don't think we have much choice, but look elsewhere, unless something drastic happens

if there is a new man coming in the summer they wont want the job now, they will want to start fresh in the summer, sell who they don't want and buy who they want, they cant do that now.

do you sack van gaal and earn a reputation as a sacking club or do you give him until the summer and come to an agreement where he leaves by mutual consent..

bucketybuck

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

LVG is here till end of season, think it's wishful thinking hoping to be gone sooner, sadly.

It hardly even matters at this stage, the damage is done.

A competent manager could have rescued the season if appointed before Christmas, but at this point any new manager would have to really hit the ground running to salvage anything worth talking about. Especially since he will have lost the chance to address the woeful squad options in January.

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

do you sack van gaal and earn a reputation as a sacking club

No club who sacks an underpreforming manager earns that reputation. If anything, we're earning a reputation of looking like idiots cause we give managers far, far more time than they deserve.

bucketybuck

bangkok wrote: »

do you sack van gaal and earn a reputation as a sacking club or do you give him until the summer and come to an agreement where he leaves by mutual consent..

Nobody gives a toss about any reputation as a sacking club. Are city a sacking club for getting rid of Mancini and Pellegrini? Did that stop them getting Pep?

Are Chelsea a sacking club? Of course they are. Did that stop them getting the likes of Ancellotti, Mourinho and Benitez? Of course it didn't.

What about Madrid? Have they struggled to get the best managers in the world to come to them despite being the sackiest of sacky clubs?

Getting rid of failures does not make you a sacking club, and even if it did it matters not a jot, it will never stop you getting any new players or managers.

The_Kew_Tour

Lord TSC wrote: »

No club who sacks an underpreforming manager earns that reputation. If anything, we're earning a reputation of looking like idiots cause we give managers far, far more time than they deserve.

Totally agree.

People will make smug remarks but if anybody can name a club who stick with this setup in world I'll shut face.

[Deleted User]

bucketybuck wrote: »

It hardly even matters at this stage, the damage is done.

A competent manager could have rescued the season if appointed before Christmas, but at this point any new manager would have to really hit the ground running to salvage anything worth talking about. Especially since he will have lost the chance to address the woeful squad options in January.

The idea that LVG is somehow not a competent manager is ridiculous. Naive of him to think that he could implement the style that he tried to with the players available maybe, but to call him incompetent is very disrespectful as he has achieved good things everywhere he's been.

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

Nobody gives a toss about any reputation as a sacking club. Are city a sacking club for getting rid of Mancini and Pellegrini? Did that stop them getting Pep?

Are Chelsea a sacking club? Of course they are. Did that stop them getting the likes of Ancellotti, Mourinho and Benitez? Of course it didn't.

What about Madrid? Have they struggled to get the best managers in the world to come to them despite being the sackiest of sacky clubs?

Getting rid of failures does not make you a sacking club, and even if it did it matters not a jot, it will never stop you getting any new players or managers.

but the board of directors do. We don't want to be like Real Madrid and Chelsea who are both horribly run clubs. They want to make us unique and treat both players and managers with respect neither of which them clubs can ever claim to do

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

well going on last season, Arsenals biggest game of the season was the champions league knock out game v Monaco. That is where you play your first choice team. Welbeck started both games so that should tell you how highly he is rated by Wenger and that he is also first choice

Important squad players will still get starts in big games, based on tactics and if they are in good form. The difference is that they will also sit out big games because of recent form or particular tactics. This would be in contrast to players like Giroud and Sanchez, for example, who will be first choice over a larger sample than two games.

bangkok

Lord TSC wrote: »

No club who sacks an underpreforming manager earns that reputation. If anything, we're earning a reputation of looking like idiots cause we give managers far, far more time than they deserve.

good point but also what is the point sacking him if the manager they want is not currently available? What if Pochetino is the next manager, or Jose wanted a break of a few months before going back into football?

The_Kew_Tour

Don't really give hoots about sacking club crap anymore.

Although yer right, Board do.

Cantona's Collars

Watching Kante for Leicester yesterday and in other games shows how poorly our midfield is set up.On Saturday,Carrick and Schneiderlin were forever in each others way.2 DM against relegation fodder is overkill.
Carragher even pointed it out yesterday that Kante is the nearest to Roy Keane he's seen in a long while."None of this DM/AM stuff where you hold a position,Kante was all over the pitch".LVG has our players boxed off into areas of the pitch and God forbid they move out of said area.

bangkok

Pro. F wrote: »

Important squad players will still get starts in big games, based on tactics and if they are in good form. The difference is that they will also sit out big games because of recent form or particular tactics. This would be in contrast to players like Giroud and Sanchez, for example, who will be first choice over a larger sample than two games.

so what your trying to say is there is no such thing as a first choice player as all games are different?

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

so what your trying to say is there is no such thing as a first choice player as all games are different?

Nope. I even gave you an example of two first choice Arsenal players.

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

good point but also what is the point sacking him if the manager they want is not currently available? What if Pochetino is the next manager, or Jose wanted a break of a few months before going back into football?

Not disagreeing there. Willing to accept that there could be things going on in the background we don't know about.

Point was to retort your idea we'd be seen as a "sacking club"; no, we won't. Media, fans of other clubs, investors, none of them can quiet believe we've not offed him yet.