deepesthole wrote: » TBH predates mobiles by decades. It isn't textspeak. Sorry about that. Irish isn't allowed in this forum either. :P
Caoimhgh1n wrote: » Ó, dáiríre? An bhfuil cosc ar Gaeilge? Oh, really? Is there a ban on Irish?
thattequilagirl wrote: » The benefits of keeping Irish as a compulsory subject in schools: -kids use the left side of their brain more (yes, this is true of any second language, but it is equally true of Irish) -our rich oral history is kept alive, youtube seanachai to find out more on that one -it gives children the opportunity to embrace an important aspect of their history and culture -it supports parents who know and love the language in passing it on to their children -it provides insight into a unique part of our heritage The drawbacks of keeping Irish as a compulsory subject in schools: -the time could be given to something more useful (in which case, let's also scrap religion, art, music and all other subjects which aren't vital in your day to day life as an adult) -some people don't like it
deepesthole wrote: » 4 of your 5 "pros" are a cultural re-enactment wheeze. The other would be better served with Arabic, Chinese or Russian, which would be both more useful and enhance the left side effect more than a very similar language like Irish. One of your "cons" boils down to "other things are useless but I like Irish so it's a special useless".
deepesthole wrote: » Here's where I ask you to show me where I said that, you fail to, and then you come back with something "hilarious" instead? I can't wait! So, any notion what the difference between "learn about" and "re-enact" is? No? Need a huddle there with Dughorn etc. again?
Shurimgreat wrote: » I don't do "huddles". Caught out in a lie yourself there. Man enough to apologise?
Shurimgreat wrote: » Why on earth would we waste our time learning Russian? It has zero cultural significance to us.
Brendan97 wrote: » Learning Irish - You can communicate poorly*, through Irish, with other people who also speak English better *Irish is an underdeveloped language with a small vocabulary due to it more or less dying out, you end up saying something similar to what you want to say but not exactly (I have fluent Irish speaking friends who agree with this point)
deepesthole wrote: » Caught out "myself"? Jeez, that's pretty much a direct admission that YOU were caught out! You didn't even notice you did that, did you? Nope. Which you haven't even got the common courtesy to illustrate before demanding an apology. Almost as if you're just spouting transparently lame attacks in the forlorn hope something sticks. Keep at it, eh.
deepesthole wrote: » It less of a waste of time than Irish for starters. And it gets your old left hemisphere going waaay better you see.
Stheno wrote: » For me it's the way it was thought, over twenty years after I left school, I can still have a conversation in French or German, but Irish is beyond me, that's with five years of French and German and 13 of Irish.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Nice evasion there. Apology please for alleging I'm pming someone else on this thread. You cannot just throw out childish accusations like that and expect to get away with it. Apology please.
Brendan97 wrote: » Why do subjects have to have a cultural significance? We would scrap everything other than Irish, History, Art and Music is that were the case Learning Russian - You can speak to more people, you are more employable, etc. Learning Irish - You can communicate poorly*, through Irish, with other people who also speak English better *Irish is an underdeveloped language with a small vocabulary due to it more or less dying out, you end up saying something similar to what you want to say but not exactly (I have fluent Irish speaking friends who agree with this point)
Shurimgreat wrote: » Given that your far more likely to converse face to face with a living irish speaker...yes they do exist although you probably haven't bothered leaving your castle to meet one...than a russian, the answer is no, it makes no sense to learn russian.
deepesthole wrote: » Oh, you're on a real mission now to pretend the whole "learning about = re-enactment" thing never happened aren't you? So back to the internet debating 101 handbook... oh I know! Feign horrified offense at some piffling nothing you just made up and that'll get them on your side. Yeah, go for it! I, sir, DEMAND satisfaction!
Dughorm wrote: » Can you elaborate here? Are your fluent Irish speaking friends native speakers?
Shurimgreat wrote: » Modern languages are already compulsory in secondary school. Very few people use them after they leave school. They are almost totally irrelevant to the vast majority of people. I'm sure you learned one. How fluent are you now in yours?
Shurimgreat wrote: » Not man enough? Thought not! Your credibility is in bits. Throw about lies and then not apologise. Who would waste their time arguing with you?
Brendan97 wrote: » Yes they are native speakers, born in the Gaeltacht and not a word of English until they were around 5/6 and even then didn't use it much until Secondary school because they went to Irish speaking primary schools. They agree that Irish just hasn't grown as most "active" languages have, there is a small, dated vocabulary that just isn't practical in modern day life; I'd wager that over 98% of fluent Irish speakers speak better English.
Shurimgreat wrote: » ]Modern languages are already compulsory in secondary schoolVery few people use them after they leave school. They are almost totally irrelevant to the vast majority of people. I'm sure you learned one. How fluent are you now in yours?
Brendan97 wrote: » Whether people use them or not is up to the person, but at least a modern language is practical to some, Irish isn't practical at all to anyone. I did French and only did it up to Junior Cert, but am actually attempting to learn it myself now because I regret not keeping it on. Irish on the otherhand..... it is the definition of impractical
Dughorm wrote: » That's very interesting - I wonder do your fluent friends still speak Irish as their main language? Are they claiming the deontas? The reason I ask is because some of the vocabulary for newer Irish words doesn't appear to me like it is used in everyday life for example, "oigheann micreathonnach" comes to mind - how would your friends say "I put the ready-meal in the microwave"? That said, I don't think it's a massive issue for the language - it's malleable.
Shurimgreat wrote: » As discussed ad nauseum 75% of what is taught in schools is not practical to the vast majority of people.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » That's a terrible way of saying microwave? Who makes this **** up? Microwave Microcoonda Micro-ondes Mikrowelle Magnetron Mikrouhin Microonde Nice, short composite words that get the point across and are practical for every day speech. And what does Irish do? Micreathonnach what would have been wrong with Micreatonn? Even drop the double letter and make it, Micreaton. Much better.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » The question is, though: is this a positive aspect or a negative aspect?
Dughorm wrote: » That's a good question - who did make that up? Apparently there's micreathonnán as well which is a little closer to your Micreaton. I think a lot of those newer words are waiting to be broken in - i've just finished reading a book by a native speaker written 50 odd years ago - I just can't imagine him having the patience to pronounce that - he'd have stopped after the first six letters "Micrea"
Iwasfrozen wrote: » I guess that's the problem with purely academic languages. They aren't beaten into convenience by everyday use.
