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Why do you hate Irish?

Given the other thread it was surprising to the level of hatred for Irish. Having been over in Wales recently the English speakers would generally be apathetic to Welsh. No one seemed to hate it. Why do people hate a language so much?

Cen faith mar is fuair a lán daoine Gaeilge?

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deepesthole wrote: »

It's the plural of strawman.
Do you need more help? Have Google?

I want to know your definition of it, not Google's.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

And you accuse others of strawman arguments?

Yes, I proved where you skipped a point to pretend I was laughing at the famine, when any honest poster can see I was saying it was hilarious to pretend only "good" things make a culture.
Want to try again, without them, ya know, lies you keep getting caught out on?

deepesthole wrote: »

Well that sounds suspiciously like a definition you just made up on the spot.
Any reference for it?

I didn't give any definition - just a link.

Besides the latin word from which culture is derived colere means "to inhabit, care for, till, worship"

The famine and workhouses were the exact opposite of the spirit of caring and cultivating.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

So we shouldn't teach about the Irish famine? Not sexy enough for you either I guess?

Hang on a second, I was just told culture was only the stuff you take pride in. Have a go at Dughorn on that then, there's a good fella.
Or are you just strawmanning again and pretending "teaching of a historical fact" = "culture"? Oh, dang it, yes you are!

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

I want to know your definition of it, not Google's.

Mine is the same as the dictionary's. Maybe you should get back to us when you've learned enough English to partake in the conversation?

deepesthole wrote: »

Yes, I proved where you skipped a point to pretend I was laughing at the famine, when any honest poster can see I was saying it was hilarious to pretend only "good" things make a culture.
Want to try again, without them, ya know, lies you keep getting caught out on?

Who said only good things make a culture? Americans learn about the American civil war, Israeilis about the holocaust, Russians about ww2, British about ww1 and ww2. Because its part of their history and culture.

deepesthole wrote: »

Hang on a second, I was just told culture was only the stuff you take pride in. Have a go at Dughorn on that then, there's a good fella.
Or are you just strawmanning again and pretending "teaching of a historical fact" = "culture"? Oh, dang it, yes you are!

Just to clarify, the famine inspired much prose, poetry and musical composition which we do take pride in and in that sense it is part of our "collective soul" or culture.

The tragedy itself is part of Irish history.

Edit: I also didn't say culture was "only" the stuff you take pride in - it is linked to it.

deepesthole wrote: »

Hang on a second, I was just told culture was only the stuff you take pride in. Have a go at Dughorn on that then, there's a good fella.
Or are you just strawmanning again and pretending "teaching of a historical fact" = "culture"? Oh, dang it, yes you are!

I have no clue what you are talking about to be honest. This conversation started off normal enough but you've taken it off the scale.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Who said only good things make a culture?

Dughorn did. Are you also having trouble reading this thread?
Come on now, it's terribly rude to pretend he's not here like that.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I have no clue what you are talking about to be honest.

Says the guy who is oblivious to every second post here.
Hint: problem lies a bit closer to home.

deepesthole wrote: »

Mine is the same as the dictionary's. Maybe you should get back to us when you've learned enough English to partake in the conversation?

That's honestly racism. You can't have a debate, all you can do is make fun of people's English, when there is no need.

Dughorm wrote: »

Just to clarify, the famine inspired much prose, poetry and musical composition which we do take pride in and in that sense it is part of our "collective soul" or culture.

The tragedy itself is part of Irish history.

He seems to think we take pride in the famine. Odd if that is the case. All I sense from him is a hatred of most things Irish. And we should cherry pick the nice sexy things of irish culture and teach that.

I'm interested to hear his views on Irish dancing!

Oh dear. Time for you two lads to take this to PM and get your story straight.
You can even talk in Irish there as much as you want. Yay!

Shurimgreat wrote: »

All I sense from him is a hatred of most things Irish.

LOL, and there it is like clockwork! Brilliant! "you don't want enforced culture" = "you hate that culture". It's like hitting a knee with a little hammer! Reassuringly predictable.

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

That's honestly racism. You can't have a debate, all you can do is make fun of people's English, when there is no need.

You don't know what a commonly used English word means.
You refuse to use a dictionary.
You deserve it TBH.
OK "strawman" means I've won this debate and you've lost. OK? Or will you look it up now?

deepesthole wrote: »

Says the guy who is oblivious to every second post here.
Hint: problem lies a bit closer to home.

Well I'm responding to you but yes the famine forms part of our collectice culture as do events after it. By 1916 the famine would still be fresh in the consciousness of living irish people. Elderly people would remember it and their children heard stories of it. The famibe shaped much of the politics here of the late 19th century

You really don't understand culture.

deepesthole wrote: »

You don't know what a commonly used English word means.
You refuse to use a dictionary.
You deserve it TBH.
OK "strawman" means I've won this debate and you've lost. OK? Or will you look it up now?

I already looked up the definition on Google?

By the way, text speak is not allowed. Please translate that jumble of letters into English.

deepesthole wrote: »

LOL, and there it is like clockwork! Brilliant! "you don't want enforced culture" = "you hate that culture". It's like hitting a knee with a little hammer! Reassuringly predictable.

Ok answer this straight question. Should the irish famine be taught in Irish schools?

Its reassuring to know you don't hate Irish culture anyways.

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

I already looked up the definition on Google?

By the way, text speak is not allowed. Please translate that jumble of letters into English.

TBH predates mobiles by decades. It isn't textspeak. Sorry about that.
Irish isn't allowed in this forum either. :P

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Ok answer this straight question. Should the irish famine be taught in Irish schools?

Its reassuring to know you don't hate Irish culture anyways.

Why on Earth wouldn't the famine be taught in schools? It's a historical fact. History isn't a compulsory subject though.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Ok answer this straight question. Should the irish famine be taught in Irish schools?

Besides being utterly irrelevant... yeah, why not.
Now, do we have to re-enact it to learn it happened just like we do with Irish?

Oh well I have his post here.

deepesthole wrote: »

Just answer the question: should we have more famine and Catholic church enforced misery here as it's part of our "collective soul"?

In other words he doesn't want the famine taught. And he bizarrely equates the Irish language with the famine and for that reason he suggests banning the teaching of it.

No strawman there, oh no

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why on Earth wouldn't the famine be taught in schools? It's a historical fact. History isn't a compulsory subject though.

It's another laughable strawman. Rumbled immediately of course. He's terrible at them.
Another one will be along shortly to entertain us!

deepesthole wrote: »

It's another laughable strawman. Rumbled immediately of course. He's terrible at them.
Another one will be along shortly to entertain us!

Strawman is your favourite word isn't it? Are you trying to break a world record using the word strawman?

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Oh well I have his post here.

In other words he doesn't want the famine taught. And he bizarrely equates the Irish language with the famine and for that reason he suggests banning the teaching of it.

No strawman there, oh no

Ah now. I already predicted you'd pretend learning about something was the same as re-enacting it. You could at least make the effort and invent a new strawman for me.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Strawman is your favourite word isn't it? Are you trying to break a world record using the word strawman?

And you can have the record for using them. Deal?

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why on Earth wouldn't the famine be taught in schools? It's a historical fact. History isn't a compulsory subject though.

I fully agree it should be taught, but deepest seemingly disapproves of anything misery related like that.

deepesthole wrote: »

And you can have the record for using them. Deal?

Look your arguments are hopelessly flawed and you are hopelessly out of your depth on this thread. The only thing you proved is you can use the word strawman a lot.

Your understanding of culture is laughably shallow. In fact your laughable in general. Now if you will excuse me.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I fully agree it should be taught, but deepest seemingly disapproves of anything misery related like that.

Here's where I ask you to show me where I said that, you fail to, and then you come back with something "hilarious" instead? I can't wait!
So, any notion what the difference between "learn about" and "re-enact" is? No? Need a huddle there with Dughorn etc. again?

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Look your arguments are hopelessly flawed and you are hopelessly out of your depth on this thread. The only thing you proved is you can use the word strawman a lot.

Your understanding of culture is laughably shallow. In fact your laughable in general. Now if you will excuse me.

This from the guy who thinks learning about and re-enacting are the same thing. Look, I know you got caught by the curlies on that one, what, with me predicting your strawmanning before you even had the typing finished, so you've every right to be upset that your argument is floundering so miserably.
Hey, I know! How about some vague stuff like "your arguments stink" or "your laughable". Yeah. Your laughable. Sweet.