quinnd6 wrote: » Thanks but 6705 euros fee yikes.
quinnd6 wrote: » If no one gives you the opportunity to get experience how the flip are you supposed to get experience.
quinnd6 wrote: » It's about a 2 hour bus journey for me.
I don't have a portfolio.
Last thing I did was build a PHP online store type website.
Apart from that not really any project work, just going through code in tutorials trying to learn more things.
Don't QA roles require experience in QA anyway so wouldn't I be screwed in that area aswell
doolox wrote: » I was in a similar situation, I had a level 7 qual in Electronics and a level 6 diploma in IT all terribly out dated and little or no up to date experience etc so not wanted. I can get much more from working free lance in a completely unrelated area of work making my own way and working my own ( much shorter) hours in something I LOVE doing. Too many people are jumping on the technology/programming hi tech bandwagon without realising how difficult, demanding, time consuming and low paid it really is. Think sport, art or music. SOME people, the very lucky few , make good money at it but most people scrape by with a bare living wage if they get any pay at all. The trick with technology jobs seems to be to research a certain area of science or general knowledge and then to turn that body of scarce and arcane knowledge into a computer application without your competitors stealing it and copying it before you can turn it into money, either by securing and selling the rights to the program by licence or outright sale. This is the hard part of making money and is not for everybody. Great coders do not necessarily make big money. Experts on contract law and monetisation do.
quinnd6 wrote: » Yes I would and that sounds like a good idea aswell the meetup.com idea that is. To the irishguy moving to the UK isn't for me. I want something in Ireland. Don't QA roles require experience in QA anyway so wouldn't I be screwed in that aswell.
Singer wrote: » Hey there syklops, Certifications are ok to get you in the door of some places, but they're not replacement for experience, and as you've found out the hard way you're not a recent grad you won't be able to get through the door via the usual graduate programs. However, all is far from lost. If you want to be a programmer, build things that people use. If you want to find a job, you need to network. Knowing more languages/frameworks etc. will give you more options. Here are some suggestions... feel free to ask questions There were already some good suggestions on this thread about looking at Android development, as it's Java based and Android devs are in demand. Build an app, put some server side component up in AWS's free tier, get your friends and family to use the app and learn about building and shipping software. Maybe try to find somebody to build a free app or website for - a friend's business or whatever. Or scratch an itch for something you want to do. It doesn't need to be anything revolutionary or cutting edge, just learn as you're going along and keep improving. Going to meetups is a good way of learning and networking, though I'd expect that they'll be quieter in December as folks wind down for Christmas (DevOps Ireland is good but it's relatively niche compared to where you are: http://www.meetup.com/Dublin-DevOps-Meetup/events/227071228/ ). Volunteering with CoderDojo is also a good active way of meeting people, using your coding skills, learning how to teach and looks good on a CV. Take a look at Coursera courses - expanding the languages you're good at will open more doors. Ruby (look at Ruby On Rails), Python and Javascript (maybe look at some Node.js or frameworks like Ember.js) are good languages to consider. https://www.coursera.org/browse/computer-science/mobile-and-web-development?languages=en Reading these links may give you some insight what it's like to be on the other side and what (some) employers are looking for:https://blog.intercom.io/how-we-hire-engineers-part-1/https://blog.intercom.io/how-we-hire-engineers-part-2-culture-contribution/ Best of luck!
syklops wrote: » I think you are addressing the wrong poster there. My career is already established P.S. theres a new course on Coursera on git. I highly recommend it to anyone who finds git confusing.
Eugene Norman wrote: » Start a company and the gap on your cv ends. The company doesn't have to do much (and you could have a real job) but at least do some app or website dev.
syklops wrote: » Terrific idea.
La Fenetre wrote: » Maybe set your sights on a tech support job, and get your foot in the door that way ? See what you like in that job, and pursue that. Everyone who does IT in college for some reason wants to be a 'developer'. There's far more to IT than just development jobs, which are very over rated, and very over subscribed by job seekers, yet in reality, not better paid, r no more fulfilling than any other IT job. If you like development, you can still do your own on the side as a hobby (and probably enjoy it far more than if it were your day job) while working in one of the many other areas of IT.
Mr_Muffin wrote: » If a graduates goal was to become a developer but they were to get offered a Job in say the security/networking side of things should they still consider taking it?
quinnd6 wrote: » ...Does anyone have any suggestions on what the heck I could do to get some experience?..
La Fenetre wrote: » ...the last thing a full time developer wants to do is more coding in the evenings / weekends.
beauf wrote: » I don't agree fully with that. A lot of the developers/ or other types IT people I have know, a lot of them are always are messing around with some IT projects in their own time. While you do get people who see their job as a job only. Its less common in IT. Perhaps that's changing these days, with people getting into IT with no real passion for it. Its simply a job.
ED E wrote: » I see that in the educational space. You have those coming for the good career prospects who do the work but not much more and then you have the "nerds"(I mean that in a no way derogatory fashion) who'll be on slashdot and /r/hackernews all day long. The latter arent always the better developers either.
La Fenetre wrote: » As I do, but I try to do something different in IT at the weekends / evenings instead of what I do all day, also after a few years there is family and home to look about and a life to be lived outside IT as well. Not everyone has to work an 80 week to be good at what they do.
quinnd6 wrote: » 2006 degree 9 months Experience 2007 to 2008. (2012)MySql 5.0 certification (2014) Java SE7 Professional Programmer cert No portfolio.
beauf wrote: » I don't completely disagree but its got nothing to do with the OP issues. Its not on topic. But a lot of places put no value on life/work balance.
