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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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Timmaay

at 130e/ton how much does it work out at per kgdm?

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

Ta dwag your too good!!!!

You're welcome Mahoney!

Seeing that this thread is now depressing...

All is not lost. Super Mario announced yesterday that QE by the ECB will continue into '16 and the euro fell in value. That helps.
Now, we need the U.S. NFP on nov 6 to be as dismal as the milk price thread and the Fed to commence QE again as the pressure will be back on the $. If that happens we could see another bull run on commodities. Here's hoping.

keep going

Just out of curiosity what products does your processor produce.in carbery s case mainproducts cheese whey extracts, whey powder, has a a drier to produce powder of some sort depending on marketsells cream on contract, has branded cheese and while worth while wouldnt be a major part of the business . alcohol production only now gos ahead as part of waste management .sports nutrition is really part of the whey extra ts business.the business inamerica hasnoth7ng to do with the milk as such

jack o shea

Did anyone ask bergin would HE be cutting back on 5 star hotels, business/first class flights and top class hookers?

wats the craic

keep going wrote: »

Just out of curiosity what products does your processor produce.in carbery s case mainproducts cheese whey extracts, whey powder, has a a drier to produce powder of some sort depending on marketsells cream on contract, has branded cheese and while worth while wouldnt be a major part of the business . alcohol production only now gos ahead as part of waste management .sports nutrition is really part of the whey extra ts business.the business inamerica hasnoth7ng to do with the milk as such

milk even more milk and you guess it more milk and a shake of cream

freedominacup

kowtow wrote: »

jack o shea wrote: »

why are lads so worried about breaking the MSA? Do you think a squad car is going to pull up outside the milking parlour some morning and cart lads off tho the joy ffs?

I think the problem is that all the co-ops have recently agreed (for our own convenience, protection, and safety presumably) to enforce each others MSA by not taking on new suppliers if they haven't been released by the old owner, sorry, co-op.

Add your reply here.

I wish I could link to that Bill Hicks vid, the "shh it's all ok your government is in control, don't worry about it, the Simpsons will be on in a minute, shh". ........ one.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Milked out wrote: »

Essentially glanbia is a plc not a coop so profit of the plc is now no 1 not that of its suppliers as it's the plc's shareholders interests regardless of being a farmer or not is key. Hence the reason 15 profits have to match 14 for the plc. Unless the plc can pull in more elsewhere to cover the difference it won't and may not anyway support the coop.
I'd suggest having a plc and coop co existing is not a good mix as they would be pulling against each other. Initially farmers may benefit from shareholdings etc and value increasing but as time moves on the plc will look to remove itself from the low margin processing end of business up the line to higher margin side of business. I think the sheriff mentioned kerry possibly looking to remove itself from that end.
Perhaps a merger of processors isn't what's needed but a merger of coops with just farmers interests at its core. I dunno would it work and this is all talk, and uneducated talk at that from myself but that's the way it's going. Unless the coop cam keep going farmer owned ala carbery there will always be a conflict of interest

The PLC route that has been taken by Glanbia and Kerry can only end in one way, the complete dispersal of the shares held by the co-op back to their members. That was certain from day 1 and Glanbia suppliers might as well accept that fact now rather than later.

Just one proviso, make sure you keep a good chunk of the value of those spun out shares because you will need them again in the future to buy back the processing facilities.

kevthegaff wrote: »

Lot of guys moved to glsnbia/dairygold last year around this area, i personally didnt agree with thr plc structure and didnt want to invest in more shares! I said it to a few of these guys and got the "jim bergin reaction". Hearing some rumbles lately from these expats- strict testing, price, share up. Your local co op which isnt perfect, has less levels for the money to trickle down to us mere suppliers

Nail on the head there, kev.

mf240

They really pissed people off with that last cut. It might have been foolish on their part.

Is that arrogance bergin has. I thought he was making those faces because of indejestion.

mf240

Timmaay wrote: »

at 130e/ton how much does it work out at per kgdm?

14.5 is cent per kg. For grain maize . Which is about 1.05 ufl. Or rocket fuel in lay mans terms.

keep going

jack o shea wrote: »

Did anyone ask bergin would HE be cutting back on 5 star hotels, business/first class flights and top class hookers?

Its only fair that if I have cut back on the top class hookers he should too

milkprofit

whelan2 wrote: »

Glanbia council member came up to me afterwards and asked was I thinking of leaving Glanbia, my reply was "why stay?"

Strath Roy paying 26 c +vat and bonuses for 100 cows that about 22000e is that reason enoughf

Timmaay

keep going wrote: »

Its only fair that if I have cut back on the top class hookers he should too

Could be false economics, never know what STDs etc you could pickup off them lower class ladies...

milkprofit

Dawggone wrote: »

Totally agree Milkprofit. But there are three different enterprises here, so how would I allocate the wage cost?

If I include 6 wages including my own (and not including OH and lady in the office) my CoP is 42cpl...but that's a pointless figure.

Id say u are well able to allocate the labor to each enterprise but i wouldn't let the ohknow u not going to include her

milkprofit

Assessing your future in glanbia surely lies in studying the agreement between Giil and glanbia......does Giil sell all its product to glanbia or is it allowed to have its own routes to market. If it has its own routes to market maybe you are in no worse position than if you were with any other coop. If all product goes through glanbia, then you are for sure on a hiding to nothing.
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This was mostly tied up at the time with contracts, which some lasted at least 10 years

whelan2

Are there any other meetings planned?

jack o shea

Anyone else thinking of going OAD milking when the hour changes? Finding it hard to think of milking and it dark and cold at half 5 next week and pricks like that bergin lad laughing at us, with the ridiculous price glanbia are paying us we may as well be in at the fire with the feet up and go broke as be out in the ****e and still end up broke.

cute geoge

You need you cell count below 200 to consider going once a day from now on, otherwise your cell count will go over 400 quickly

kevthegaff

jack o shea wrote: »

Anyone else thinking of going OAD milking when the hour changes? Finding it hard to think of milking and it dark and cold at half 5 next week and pricks like that bergin lad laughing at us, with the ridiculous price glanbia are paying us we may as well be in at the fire with the feet up and go broke as be out in the ****e and still end up broke.

Have me bawling laughing jack!

mahoney_j

jack o shea wrote: »

Anyone else thinking of going OAD milking when the hour changes? Finding it hard to think of milking and it dark and cold at half 5 next week and pricks like that bergin lad laughing at us, with the ridiculous price glanbia are paying us we may as well be in at the fire with the feet up and go broke as be out in the ****e and still end up broke.

Sure dry em off to **** jack ,sell the lot of them give the 2 fingers to Bergin and go blow the lot of it on Coke and hookers ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

jack o shea

ha ha im looking up flights to thailand now on skyscanner, mahony, i wish!!!!!

jack o shea

How quickly would the cell go from 200 to 400 k?

mahoney_j

jack o shea wrote: »

ha ha im looking up flights to thailand now on skyscanner, mahony, i wish!!!!!

Go on go on go on go go on

Timmaay

Gotta lazy here, don't start till 8.20, and finished up as close to 6pm as I can. 9 fresh calvers in the mix, who are surely losing several litres a day as a result, but I can live with that.

mf240

jack o shea wrote: »

How quickly would the cell go from 200 to 400 k?

You should see a drop in your cell count if ya give a week in tailand. The cows on the other hand could increase in cell count.:D:D

Buford T. Justice XIX

mf240 wrote: »

You should see a drop in your cell count if ya give a week in tailand. The cows on the other hand could increase in cell count.:D:D

He should probably carry some tubes with him anyway in case of, ah, staph-like infections;)

frazzledhome

jack o shea wrote: »

Anyone else thinking of going OAD milking when the hour changes? Finding it hard to think of milking and it dark and cold at half 5 next week and pricks like that bergin lad laughing at us, with the ridiculous price glanbia are paying us we may as well be in at the fire with the feet up and go broke as be out in the ****e and still end up broke.

Post of the day Lol:):)

kowtow

Timmaay wrote:

Could be false economics, never know what STDs etc you could pickup off them lower class ladies...

No worries about that here, have that little kerba test thing.

frazzledhome

kowtow wrote: »

No worries about that here, have that little kerba test thing.

Kerb I'm sure you mean!!!

pedigree 6

Hookers and coke - Farm relief services.

kowtow

frazzledhome wrote:

Kerb I'm sure you mean!!!

That's the fella. You can test 4 at a time, if you're that way inclined and have the stamina.