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US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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This thread contains videos of the footage from the news channel and from the shooter himself , although not graphic, it's disturbing.
There are also still images from the videos being posted on the thread.

From Dav - if you post videos of this event you will be site-banned. If you think posting something like that adds anything to the discussion, then we don't want you here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34062118

warning Video not exactly graphic, but some screaming and shocked looking faces ...

What the actual f*ck !! :eek:

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frostyjacks

A self-absorbed slob who indulged in gay porn, is what the evidence in his apartment shows.

http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/reporters-everyday-comments-deemed-racist-by-on-air-killer/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

He also took offence very easy. Even a watermelon-flavoured slushee was racist in his eyes. Sounds like a right weirdo.

jobbridge4life

frostyjacks wrote: »

A self-absorbed slob who indulged in gay porn, is what the evidence in his apartment shows.

http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/reporters-everyday-comments-deemed-racist-by-on-air-killer/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

He also took offence very easy. Even a watermelon-flavoured slushee was racist in his eyes. Sounds like a right weirdo.

You would pick up on the gay porn element Frosty like that somehow made it more likely he was going to shoot people... Sigh4life

The picture being built up is of a person with mental illness whose state of mind was deteriorating rapidly for a substantial period leading up to this. It doesn't excuse what he did. It just means that its possible something could have been done so things didn't end up like this.

Spunge

frostyjacks wrote: »

who indulged in gay porn

how is this even remotely worth mentioning. its like saying murderer X indulged in straight porn.

pmasterson95

Matt Holck wrote: »

My statement not particularly related to your statement

death is tragedy
and not some sort of sacrifice
coffin=millions of view is not to be compared to some item of sacrifice
people don't have to die for all to live well

What the **** are your "statements" related too?

Skullface McGubbin

Birneybau wrote: »

They have photoshopped it (badly) to make it look like the gun is going off. Jesus Christ.

About 3rd paper down:

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/08/26/de-thursday-papers-125/#comments

Jaysus, the cover on the Sun. I Laughed when I saw it. It's so ridiculous.

Overheal

Skullface McGubbin wrote: »

Jaysus, the cover on the Sun. I Laughed when I saw it. It's so ridiculous.

the NY Post was even tackier.

RayCon

frostyjacks wrote: »

Even a watermelon-flavoured slushee was racist in his eyes.

I know there's no logic but I'm still intrigued as to his reasoning ...

Call Me Jimmy

I think watermelon is associated with black people in america sometimes in a derogatory way ala kfc?

shampoosuicide

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You would pick up on the gay porn element Frosty like that somehow made it more likely he was going to shoot people... Sigh4life

The picture being built up is of a person with mental illness whose state of mind was deteriorating rapidly for a substantial period leading up to this. It doesn't excuse what he did. It just means that its possible something could have been done so things didn't end up like this.

there was a bit in his rambling manifesto or whatever where he said he knew he was unwell but he couldn't be bothered with antidepressants or medication. maybe if he did...

[Deleted User]

You know what's funny? If you take a look at the apartment, it's actually pretty normal. Gay porn, sex toys, photo of themselves. Sounds like a pretty standard place of anyone who likes to indulge in adult activities. Same goes for photo of themselves - I know loads of people that have the same.

It's just that he did an unbelievably bad thing that all these pretty normal and standard stuff are being given a creepy twinge. Also, if I were gay or watched gay porn, I'd be severely pissed off at it being called creepy.

Old Jakey

Deleted User wrote: »

You know what's funny? If you take a look at the apartment, it's actually pretty normal. Gay porn, sex toys, photo of themselves. Sounds like a pretty standard place of anyone who likes to indulge in adult activities. Same goes for photo of themselves - I know loads of people that have the same.

It's just that he did an unbelievably bad thing that all these pretty normal and standard stuff are being given a creepy twinge. Also, if I were gay or watched gay porn, I'd be severely pissed off at it being called creepy.

Doesn't sound normal at all tbh.

RayCon

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I think watermelon is associated with black people in america sometimes in a derogatory way ala kfc?

I honestly never knew that.

Calibos

pmasterson95 wrote: »

What the **** are your "statements" related too?

Had a look at 'all posts by' for Matt and by the looks of it every single one of his hundreds of posts are nonsensical. The rest of us are either on a different plane of consciousness to him or he's a bot.

Old Jakey

RayCon wrote: »

I honestly never knew that.

Black people are known to be partial to watermelon and fried chicken.

Kev W

Old Jakey wrote: »

Black people are known to be partial to watermelon and fried chicken.

Who isn't? Both are delicious. It's among the stupider stereotypes.

Overheal

Its a stereotype like white girls and pumpkin spice lattes: theres truth in it, but nobody takes any hate from it :P also a blended watermelon milkshake is delicious

Overheal

Matt Holck wrote: »

gLee that I had followed since the beginning had there lead male actor Cory Monteith die

I had been part of that forum for many years

and wanted to offer some muse for condolence

personal public death issues again

Pink Floyd - The Show Must Go On (Live)

I know neither of the characters involve in this thread

only my own experiences

what is the meaning of life?

SpaceSasqwatch

Overheal wrote: »

what is the meaning of life?

42 apparently

Banta

Bill O'Reilly on Fox News puts this (and other shootings) down to a lack of religious belief.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-blames-atheists-and-secular-progressives-for-virginia-shooting

Wooooowwwwwww. The stuff this guy comes out with.

frostyjacks

Banta wrote: »

Bill O'Reilly on Fox News puts this (and other shootings) down to a lack of religious belief.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-blames-atheists-and-secular-progressives-for-virginia-shooting

Wooooowwwwwww. The stuff this guy comes out with.

Seems as reasonable a theory as the mental illness angle.

TwoShedsJackson

The popular host continued, claiming that over the last 40 years, only secular atheists and agnostics have committed murders.

Yes, very reasonable.

Nodin

frostyjacks wrote: »

Seems as reasonable a theory as the mental illness angle.

Very amusing.

beks101

frostyjacks wrote: »

His behaviour is a little odd, maybe it's a cultural thing. For me, grieving is done in private, not in the limelight.

I think overall it is a cultural thing.

One of the toughest aspects of getting used to life in the States for me was how extroverted they are, everything is articulated, your thoughts and feelings are expected to be public and people weigh in and respond and react to what, to my Irish sensibilities, were deeply personal matters.

I worked in media over there for a brief time, one of my Irish colleagues at the time told me "the thing about Americans is they run towards the camera. Irish people run away from it."

That, and Chris Hurst's day job, combined with the numbing shock of the whole affair and it's not surprising to me that he's autopiloting himself on the airwaves, flaunting scrap books and "our love" and trying to counter-act the perpetrator's attempts to blacken her name with the ounce of sanity he has left.

I do agree that it looks odd, and inappropriate, and dodgy, and cringeworthy and a bit embarrassing. I'd hope that if it were me, my family or perhaps my employers would have a word in my ear and help me to reign myself in a little. But I don't agree that it's borne out of some cynical opportunistic attempt to have his 20 seconds.

mynamejeff

Old Jakey wrote: »

Black people are known to be partial to watermelon and fried chicken.

i love watermelon and fried chicken too but my pasty Nordic skin tone and inability to dance with any skill calls your theory into question :cool:

SharpshooterTom

beks101 wrote: »

That, and Chris Hurst's day job, combined with the numbing shock of the whole affair and it's not surprising to me that he's autopiloting himself on the airwaves, flaunting scrap books and "our love" and trying to counter-act the perpetrator's attempts to blacken her name with the ounce of sanity he has left.

I do agree that it looks odd, and inappropriate, and dodgy, and cringeworthy and a bit embarrassing. I'd hope that if it were me, my family or perhaps my employers would have a word in my ear and help me to reign myself in a little. But I don't agree that it's borne out of some cynical opportunistic attempt to have his 20 seconds.

Honestly, I don't actually see the problem, what he's trying to do is deflect the attention and coverage away from the shooter because that's what all these mass shootings are about, their own sick personal glory, their manifesto's etc 'the world will know me'. He cited other mass shooters like Dylan Klebold/Eric Harris, The Virginia tech shooter as his heroes. Sometimes the media focus far too much on the shooters rather than the victims, and then that in turn of course encourages other wierdos seeing all the attention they get to seek their personal glory and get attention by doing the same thing.

I think that's what this guy Chris was trying to do was trying to make the story about Alison, her life story rather the shooter, and he's just right IMO. Let the world know who she was and his memories of her, I wouldn't even bother mentioning the bloody gunman's name, or his 'manifesto', f*ck him.

Sunflower 27

beks101 wrote: »

I do agree that it looks odd, and inappropriate, and dodgy, and cringeworthy and a bit embarrassing. I'd hope that if it were me, my family or perhaps my employers would have a word in my ear and help me to reign myself in a little. But I don't agree that it's borne out of some cynical opportunistic attempt to have his 20 seconds.

Only he himself knows what he is doing. It is clear speculation on all our parts if he has an agenda or not.

Someone should definitely take him aside, I 100% agree on that. The whole incident has become about him and his 9-month relationship with his girlfriend, which in the scheme of her life is very miniscule. There seems to be a real focus on him expressing how serious they were: we were the love of each other's lives, we had talked of marriage, I spent her birthday with her family. Everything about her has become about him.

And this is why, for no other reason, he should stop with the interviews now. He even said when showing the scrapbook of personal photos that he was not sure if he should make them public but decided Alison would have wanted him to because their love was genuine. It seems an odd reason to open up about their private lives together to the world. They were a couple. How more genuine can their love have been?

The Black Oil

Banta wrote: »

Bill O'Reilly on Fox News puts this (and other shootings) down to a lack of religious belief.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-blames-atheists-and-secular-progressives-for-virginia-shooting

Wooooowwwwwww. The stuff this guy comes out with.

That's usually Mike Huckabee's bailiwick.

I've not watched the video. Still frames were enough.

SharpshooterTom

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Only he himself knows what he is doing. It is clear speculation on all our parts if he has an agenda or not.

Someone should definitely take him aside, I 100% agree on that. The whole incident has become about him and his 9-month relationship with his girlfriend, which in the scheme of her life is very miniscule. There seems to be a real focus on him expressing how serious they were: we were the love of each other's lives, we had talked of marriage, I spent her birthday with her family. Everything about her has become about him.

And this is why, for no other reason, he should stop with the interviews now. He even said when showing the scrapbook of personal photos that he was not sure if he should make them public but decided Alison would have wanted him to because their love was genuine. It seems an odd reason to open up about their private lives together to the world. They were a couple. How more genuine can their love have been?

Rather him celebrating/grieving about his relationship with his girlfriend giving her the attention, than talking about that prat and his manifesto.

The media giving excerpts from his manifesto basically are giving the killer what he wants - his message to the world. That's what its all about to these guys, that's why he waited for them to shoot live so the whole world would see it.

Apparently in his 'manifesto' he quoted saying how much admired the columbine killers and the Virginia tech shooter saying 'that's my boy right there'. You see the media spent so much time covering those killers, who they were, what they ate what they drank, every nitty gritty detail about them possible and not the victims, that angry people like Vester Flanagan have become inspired clearly by their 'fame' and their subsequent 'manifesto's', they thrive on this attention they got, thinking 'wow the whole world knew them in great detail, they'll know me in great detail too!'

Honestly who cares if he shares a few photos with the world with his girlfriend, at least its nicer and far more deserving for her to get the media's full devine attention than that scumbag all over our TV screens. The media in the event of these massacres should be doing two things:

1)Mourning the loss of the victims, who they were etc
2)Invoking a discussion on how to prevent these tragedies from occurring again

A lot less so on the personalities of the killers, and what manifestos they have.

dublinman1990

That is a horrible killing to see on live TV. I'll say that the poor families now are extremely heartbroken for their loss.

RIP to those two journalists killed.