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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

I had a good chat with a French neighbour that keeps 140 BA suckler cows and produces 200k Ducks a year. He was saying that the Irish beef is fabulous and it has to be so because it never goes indoors...I asked him how much time do his animals spend indoors...could be up to 100days says he!
Needless to say that I didn't bother pointing out that a 5-6month winter period is common in the whest...
Why not capitalise on a perceived advantage?

Lol, good man Dawg. Still wearing the jersey

tanko

Dawggone wrote: »

Sooo.
The average BASE price I'll get this year is 36.97cpl. On this thread people (with massive MS) will be hard fought to attain this.
Did anyone actually read the Teagasc document that Kowtow posted?
TBH I've new appreciation for Teagasc.

For those of you that didn't read it the synopsis goes like...The larger dairy herds can compete with the EU and the rest of the world...but the rest are phucked. That includes the 'average' family farm.
Read it please. It's what I've been bullshyting about for toooo long.
The problem is land price and scale...

How many cows will a "larger dairy herd" have?

RightTurnClyde

tanko wrote: »

How many cows will a "larger dairy herd" have?

~10% more than you had last year, or ~100% more than you had 10 years ago.

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

IMHO there is a very slim chance of a plan B but it requires a complete change of attitude of the processors. (

A complete coop.... Or even an entire country producing A2A grass produced milk. Could be up and running in 5 years. Gold mine... Very hard to replicate anywhere in the world

mf240

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

~10% more than you had last year, or ~100% more than you had 10 years ago.

If we all kept a few less me might get paid for the milk.

RightTurnClyde

mf240 wrote: »

If we all kept a few less me might get paid for the milk.

Very true.... I'll be a gentelman, I'll let you go first.

tanko

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Very true.... I'll be a gentelman, I'll let you go first.

That's exactly what I was thinking, who will be the first to cut numbers?

Greengrass1

Milk just collected here. Driver says ours is going to wexford for last few wks but a different lorry collects my neighbours who's an ex wexford supplier now supplying glanbia

That's bloody rediculas. Who's paying for this double traveling. Didn't mind when ours was going to ballyragget but why have 2 different lorry's on same road going to same place

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Milk just collected here. Driver says ours is going to wexford for last few wks but a different lorry collects my neighbours who's an ex wexford supplier now supplying glanbia

That's bloody rediculas. Who's paying for this double traveling. Didn't mind when ours was going to ballyragget but why have 2 different lorry's on same road going to same place

Only a guess maby totally wrong but you've very high solids milk ,your neighbour may not and yer milk could be processed into different products

whelan2

A run has to start somewhere and end somewhere, we are first on our run. Different lorry collects the milk on farm a mile down the road. Our lorry heads in a different direction to that farm

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Only a guess maby totally wrong but you've very high solids milk ,your neighbour may not and yer milk could be processed into different products

Yeah complete different type of cow iykwim. Don't know how solids compare though

Milked out

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Milk just collected here. Driver says ours is going to wexford for last few wks but a different lorry collects my neighbours who's an ex wexford supplier now supplying glanbia

That's bloody rediculas. Who's paying for this double traveling. Didn't mind when ours was going to ballyragget but why have 2 different lorry's on same road going to same place

Once the lorries have full loads it makes no odds gg. Different lorries collect me and the neighbours as well but in general it would be a route to fill the truck as one truck wouldn't do that many farms anyway so likely to be in same areas anyway

WheatenBriar

Mine sometimes goes to Wexford, sometimes ballyragget, ballytore,even Drogheda and Cavan and often the driver is on his third load

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

French farmers/unions are getting strong support now from their German counterparts.
Big activity now being planned for sept 7(?).
French politicos are now admitting that farmers are the ones suffering from US/EU hegemony.
Changes afoot?

Just after listening to an interview by Coveney. A lot of talk about intervention and intervention price. And an announcement in the next few weeks. Coveney seems to be lobbying for a 24c intervention price.

whelan2

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Just after listening to an interview by Coveney. A lot of talk about intervention and intervention price. And an announcement in the next few weeks. Coveney seems to be lobbying for a 24c intervention price.

read somewhere the other day it would take 18 months to change the intervention price, is this true?

WheatenBriar

Who in the name of god are the eejits lobbying for 24c? Its should be 34+
Effectively they want us to supply milk for just the average sfp say 10k
All hours for nothing so highly paid executives can sell our product on?

Typical mindset
Has nobody any self respect?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Milk just collected here. Driver says ours is going to wexford for last few wks but a different lorry collects my neighbours who's an ex wexford supplier now supplying glanbia

That's bloody rediculas. Who's paying for this double traveling. Didn't mind when ours was going to ballyragget but why have 2 different lorry's on same road going to same place

Your milk is going to WX for cheese. I'd suspect because less water in it, hence lorry is actually more efficient

mf240

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Who in the name of god are the eejits lobbying for 24c? Its should be 34+
Effectively they want us to supply milk for just the average sfp say 10k
All hours for nothing so highly paid executives can sell our product on?

Typical mindset
Has nobody any self respect?

I think intervention only slows down recovery. Let it bottom out ta fcuk and then it will start to recover .

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Your milk is going to WX for cheese. I'd suspect because less water in it, hence lorry is actually more efficient

I thought the lower the fat% of milk the better for cheese making.
Maybe I'm wrong?

bogman_bass

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Who in the name of god are the eejits lobbying for 24c? Its should be 34+
Effectively they want us to supply milk for just the average sfp say 10k
All hours for nothing so highly paid executives can sell our product on?

Typical mindset
Has nobody any self respect?

remember butter mountains and milk lakes? There is zero interest from the EU to go back to this. Intervention is a safety net but its not there for lads to make a profit. It's just there to stop the losses getting too big.

remember, the higher intervention is the more you keep big Dutch and British indoor systems pumping out milk

whelan2

http://ow.ly/RbO0b

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

http://ow.ly/RbO0b

Lowest in Europe with there 'great' performance

kevthegaff

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lowest in Europe with there 'great' performance

Pathetic allright

pedigree 6

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Milk just collected here. Driver says ours is going to wexford for last few wks but a different lorry collects my neighbours who's an ex wexford supplier now supplying glanbia

That's bloody rediculas. Who's paying for this double traveling. Didn't mind when ours was going to ballyragget but why have 2 different lorry's on same road going to same place

You don't know the half of it. We're collected by the same company as yourself and there's no set route. So you don't know what time the milk will be collected at and lately there's never the same driver two days in a row. I like you the milk is going down to wexford for last month or so. A lorry could collect our milk but not collect neighbours milk for hours after.

kevthegaff

Tiop, centenary, arrabawn, kerry and glambis all around this area! Nrth tipp

Sam Kade

The global dairy trade auction is up 15%
https://www.globaldairytrade.info

red bull

kevthegaff wrote: »

Tiop, centenary, arrabawn, kerry and glambis all around this area! Nrth tipp

+ dairygold

Sacrolyte

Sam Kade wrote: »

The global dairy trade auction is up 15%
https://www.globaldairytrade.info

Sam. Your 3 days late. Lol

Milked out

Base 25.5c/l received 28.275c/l net after levies at 3.54p and 4.02bf.

WheatenBriar

bogman_bass wrote: »

remember butter mountains and milk lakes? There is zero interest from the EU to go back to this. Intervention is a safety net but its not there for lads to make a profit. It's just there to stop the losses getting too big.

remember, the higher intervention is the more you keep big Dutch and British indoor systems pumping out milk

Legislation then to regulate the market
We all know who has too much power and who takes most margin from milk
I wasn't making a point on intervention per say,just on the injustice of the profit distribution
Yes and perhaps it is a justification for quotas too