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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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Pairing Luke Marshall with Cave in the centre and Payne at fullback could be really good for the wolfhounds backline. They should know each other inside out. Then Gilroy could be on one wing.

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Buer

smiley_face wrote:

I've heard DK used to kick penalties so that should make it obvious if anyone has seen him kick at goal? Kinda kills the whole 'have to be left-legged to play left wing' argument, so Earls can play 11 without that debate.

He's right footed.

shaungil

So they're all gone for a weeks holiday I hear. It's either madness or genius depending on how we perform. I guess they've had a long stint in camp so break makes sense into the run up.

total former

smiley_face wrote: »

I've heard DK used to kick penalties so that should make it obvious if anyone has seen him kick at goal?
Kinda kills the whole 'have to be left-legged to play left wing' argument, so Earls can play 11 without that debate.

This whole left-footer thing is being totally overblown. We went through the 2014 6N with Trimble and DK with McFadden on the bench and we managed.

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total former wrote: »

This whole left-footer thing is being totally overblown. We went through the 2014 6N with Trimble and DK with McFadden on the bench and we managed.

Were there many other options in 2014? Lot of injuries as I recall. Schmidt mentioned specifically this year that he didn't want to end up with 3 left footers in the back 3 during the 6N anyway.

smiley_face

shaungil wrote: »

So they're all gone for a weeks holiday I hear. It's either madness or genius depending on how we perform. I guess they've had a long stint in camp so break makes sense into the run up.

Surely a few will be playing in the Interpros?

total former

Interested Observer wrote: »

Were there many other options in 2014? Lot of injuries as I recall. Schmidt mentioned specifically this year that he didn't want to end up with 3 left footers in the back 3 during the 6N anyway.

There was Zebo, you may recall there was a brief and cordial discussion over his omission, but it passed very quickly.

smiley_face

Interested Observer wrote: »

Were there many other options in 2014? Lot of injuries as I recall. Schmidt mentioned specifically this year that he didn't want to end up with 3 left footers in the back 3 during the 6N anyway.

Just asking the obvious question, why and how would we need a left-legged player on the right?
Assuming some left-legged bodies are filling each of the other two positions in the back 3...

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total former wrote: »

There was Zebo, you may recall there was a brief and cordial discussion over his omission, but it passed very quickly.

He'd been out injured for several months, missed the AIs, and just got back to playing right before the tournament is what I recall, and that's why he wasn't involved.

And yes I can remember a rather pathetic amount of squealing over the whole thing.

Witheringeye

smiley_face wrote: »

I've heard DK used to kick penalties so that should make it obvious if anyone has seen him kick at goal?
Kinda kills the whole 'have to be left-legged to play left wing' argument, so Earls can play 11 without that debate.

Yeah he is right footed but he's also very good with left
And it's not really an argument. It's basically what joe has said and what his selection history has said

total former

Interested Observer wrote: »

He'd been out injured for several months, missed the AIs, and just got back to playing right before the tournament is what I recall, and that's why he wasn't involved.

And yes I can remember a rather pathetic amount of squealing over the whole thing.

Oh sweet Jesus let's leave it there.

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total former wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus let's leave it there.

You brought it up.

smiley_face

Witheringeye wrote: »

Yeah he is right footed but he's also very good with left
And it's not really an argument. It's basically what joe has said and what his selection history has said

The quote I thought I heard Joe say was something more along the lines of
he didn't want the full set of the back three all kicking with the same kicking leg (paraphrasing).

total former

Interested Observer wrote: »

You brought it up.

In answer to a direct question.

But see previous post.

smiley_face

smiley_face wrote: »

I'm plagued with the vision that they will turn up and we'll have a gut-wrenching opening half where they open us up.
Then they will get bored with the effort and our lads will dominate the 2nd half and roll them over. Just a thought. ðŸ˜°

I've a vested couple of tickets that makes me worry though...

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smiley_face wrote: »

I'm plagued with the vision that they will turn up and we'll have a gut-wrenching opening half where they open us up.
Then they will get bored with the effort and our lads will dominate the 2nd half and roll them over. Just a thought. ðŸ˜°

Sounds a bit like our quarter final against them in 2003, except for the "and roll them over" part.

Witheringeye

Rumour in the IT today that Schmidt may only bring 2 SHs in order to brink a back up 12 (cave or darcy)

awec

Witheringeye wrote: »

Rumour in the IT today that Schmidt may only bring 2 SHs in order to brink a back up 12 (cave or darcy)

Rumour or just pure speculation because they're running out of interesting things to write?

flangemeistro

awec wrote: »

because they're running out of interesting things to write

Sounds very like what's going on here.

.ak

Witheringeye wrote: »

Rumour in the IT today that Schmidt may only bring 2 SHs in order to brink a back up 12 (cave or darcy)

That's silly. Madigan should be backup 12. Why risk the scrumhalf situation?

Witheringeye

awec wrote: »

Rumour or just pure speculation because they're running out of interesting things to write?

More than likely

Witheringeye

.ak wrote: »

That's silly. Madigan should be backup 12. Why risk the scrumhalf situation?

Maybe it's because all it would take would be one injury to henshaw (assuming they wouldn't shift Payne to 12 and earls to 13) for mads to be starting at 12 but it would take both Murray and reddan getting injured for the scrum half risk to materialise.
This is all on the premise that joe would not want mads starting a game at 12 vs France etc, which is reasonable
Or perhaps joe is an avid reader of boards.ie and he's so sick of the marmion vs boss debate that he's not bringing either!

connachta

Anyway I'd like to see Madigan at 9, could do ok for just 10 minutes (It's the worst case IMO, very unlikely the 2 SHs get injured the one just before and and the other during the same game)

awec

flangemeistro wrote: »

Sounds very like what's going on here.

Getting tired of your sarky comments. This is a discussion forum, people are here to discuss even if you deem it uninteresting by your own stellar standard of posting.

If you don't like it you know where to go.

total former

awec wrote: »

Rumour or just pure speculation because they're running out of interesting things to write?

All three. Joe said something along these lines on Sunday, that he hadn't decided how many SHs to bring. I don't believe him, frankly.

dub_skav

total former wrote: »

All three. Joe said something along these lines on Sunday, that he hadn't decided how many SHs to bring. I don't believe him, frankly.

You've often heard that X scrumhalf plays like an extra backrow (Phillips, O'Leary, insert other large scrum half here)?

Well, Joe is thinking the opposite, with his backrow playing like an extra scrum half.
He's considering bringing 6, with no sub backrows as a result. Cooney and McGrath on standby

Always thinking outside the box is Joe

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total former wrote: »

All three. Joe said something along these lines on Sunday, that he hadn't decided how many SHs to bring. I don't believe him, frankly.

Joe told me that he reads these threads for ****s and giggles.

Sent Marmion back to Connacht last weekend just to get a reaction.

Grade A troll our Joe is!

ionadnapóca

Witheringeye wrote: »

Rumour in the IT today that Schmidt may only bring 2 SHs in order to brink a back up 12 (cave or darcy)

No worries. Madser got u covered.:)

connachta

total former wrote: »

All three. Joe said something along these lines on Sunday, that he hadn't decided how many SHs to bring. I don't believe him, frankly.

I do, it's a waste of talent to bring a 3rd SH, far behind the first 2, just in case both of them gets injured between the day before the eve of a game, and the 60th minute of that game. The chances are close to none.
But a 6th prop more than another centre would be better

total former

connachta wrote: »

I do, it's a waste of talent to bring a 3rd SH, far behind the 2 first, just in case both of them gets injured between the day before the eve of a game, and the 60th minute of that game. The chances are close to none.
But a 6th prop more than another centre would be better

For the last five years, all we've heard is how meticulous Joe is in every aspect of planning.

To suggest that, ten days before he announces his squad, he doesn't even know how many scrum-halves he'll bring, is ludicrous.

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

Joe told me that he reads these threads for ****s and giggles.

He consults with the mods before making a squad announcement to warn us of any potential problematic selections and asks for our input.

We have a list ready for him right now of selections that he absolutely cannot make to save this place from implosion.

He usually listens to us, though he did ignore us that time he dropped Murray for Reddan. :mad: