Grain price.

bogman_bass wrote: »

Do you need to desiccate before harvesting beans?

Ye you normally would otherwise could be end of September and will have serious losses. With other crops there's generally timings but beans we go just as it's about 1/3 brown - 2/3 green. Will use pods tick this year, it's a latex type polymer(correct term I hope.) helps keep down losses, go back 11 minutes maths on this thread should find upsetting images about losses

yosemitesam1

Blackgrass wrote: »

Goin on a boat for human consumption from here, couldn't quote stock feed prices

Is there any difference between growing them for feed and human consumption?

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Is there any difference between growing them for feed and human consumption?

Nope, beans are hard to grow and if yeild well are extremely profitable it's just there's no set formula with beans over 2 seasons vary alot. Any crop protection salesmen that claim to be good on beans are full of poo. It's just actual quality of the final product is affected by Bruchid beetle is big difference for human consumption but a 40-50Ton bonus over feed it's easy, just keep sample clean also easy for decent combine driver. It lays eggs in flowering crop and the larvae burrows out of the bean as it ripens. Leaves beans full of burrows/holes dark markings on seed coats and can cause them to shrivel up. Tend to move bees away coming onto and off peak as normaly go twice with pesticide at this stage. Other than that it's relatively easy. Choclate spot/ black leaf/pod spot mildew and rust are big disease issue with some aphid damage and pea/bean weevils at early growth stage. Tend to go with some nutri-phite/epsom salts type feed to keep it green.
Re-read that it's confused me, easy to grow but impossible to do well consistently year in year out and not much of a reason for being so.

Bog Man 1

I think there was a company in County Louth assembling Beans for Human consumption as we do not have as much of a problem with the Beetle over here . They were being exported to Egypt but the bonus over feed was not that big maybe €20 a tonne .Oilseed rape and Beans do not go well together as the Volunteers are hard to control .

Bog Man 1 wrote: »

I think there was a company in County Louth assembling Beans for Human consumption as we do not have as much of a problem with the Beetle over here . They were being exported to Egypt but the bonus over feed was not that big maybe €20 a tonne .Oilseed rape and Beans do not go well together as the Volunteers are hard to control .

For us it's a case of every disease/pest is x5 due to the sheer volume of crop vs broken up by grass fields at home, except wet weather disease. We grow them once in a 4 heading to 5 year rotation, sclerotinia can crop up as well.

Cutting osr are whole time as just don't get yield due to a variety of things, verticilium wilt among them.

Panch18

Blackgrass wrote: »

For us it's a case of every disease/pest is x5 due to the sheer volume of crop vs broken up by grass fields at home, except wet weather disease. We grow them once in a 4 heading to 5 year rotation, sclerotinia can crop up as well.

Cutting osr are whole time as just don't get yield due to a variety of things, verticilium wilt among them.

Hey blackgrass, What is your 5 year rotation??

Panch18 wrote: »

Hey blackgrass, What is your 5 year rotation??

More land coming in hand post harvest 2016 so splitting farm in 2. Got the stores nearly there but changing it around a little to suit us with storage for smaller lots with second small cleaner and separate/joined if needed intake and run commercial store fulltime. Will add lots of wet storage also as putting in bays with moveable dividing walls on flat floor stores and blowing self emptying bins for more 'durable' crops like beans in our climate. Adding final layer to dryer will give more output and rest of system is good for 120t/hr with 90-100t/hr drying. sets stores up to run totally separate and gives good income as can ensure drier's being used to contract dry. One man can comfortably run with someone else in grain intake taking samples(merchant, too big can of worms for us to look at). Big thing is get crop into silos asap cuts down on man power needed and easily managed from screen. Will be a little over geared this year as kept our old quadtrac but will help timelyness in future if get into the poo, going to 2 smaller sprayers and increase in combine header width and a smaller machine to do the hard cutting with big combine constantly at 100%. Below is the ideal giving good mix to spread workload, have found a second hand weaving big-disc drill being modded to take our vaddy biodrill for avadex(helps in Bg control) and liquid fert on seedbed for crops though might go with a tow behind 4 wheel trailer/bowser set up in future.

DirectDrill light land mostly,
WWheat,Wosr or beans,WWheat,Scereal(barley/oats/looking for rye,millet contracts),mix of soya/lupins/peas adh flower moving forward.

Heavy land
Wwheat,wosr,Sbarley/Woats,beans,wheat grass for 5/6 years-
Heavy ground is yeilding ground but is rotten with BG.

bogman_bass

Any experience of rye or millet? I imagine rye wouldn't be too hard but millet might be a bit different

bogman_bass wrote: »

Any experience of rye or millet? I imagine rye wouldn't be too hard but millet might be a bit different

Neighbour grows rye every year worked on a farm that grew some before, pretty much like oats regards roc needed. Not much.
Millet is grown by a few around not set in stone yet on that one still be 18months before decide... Most the contracts are tied up with ryvita -velcourt over here

Blackgrass wrote: »

Neighbour grows rye every year worked on a farm that grew some before, pretty much like oats regards roc needed. Not much.
Millet is grown by a few around not set in stone yet on that one still be 18months before decide... Most the contracts are tied up with ryvita -velcourt over here

Any experience with protected P?
Got stuff today fir reseed. Won't release any fert it its too dry

Would it be costing 950e/ha to grow spring malting barley?
All work done in house

Busy busy.

Blackgrass wrote: »

Busy busy.

Wbarley or OSR?

Dawggone wrote: »

Wbarley or OSR?

Osr, yield bout 4.2-5.1 with 4.7 average, 48.7+ oil !!!! and 8.8% moisture

Blackgrass wrote: »

Osr, yield bout 4.2-5.1 with 4.7 average, 48.7+ oil !!!! and 8.8% moisture

Happy days.
If you could pull returns like that every year...
Hybrid or normal? Excellent oil.

Dawggone wrote: »

Happy days.
If you could pull returns like that every year...
Hybrid or normal? Excellent oil.

Hybrid, PT211 on that block got a great start and never looked back with lots of sun since may. This year on lighter land yields(heavy land is back .4-.25t/ha) are good oil is crazy high for us and price is crap :rolleyes:. 30 acres to finish so just push on til done then back at it Saturday on home block.

Blackgrass wrote: »

Hybrid, PT211 on that block got a great start and never looked back with lots of sun since may. This year on lighter land yields(heavy land is back .4-.25t/ha) are good oil is crazy high for us and price is crap :rolleyes:. 30 acres to finish so just push on til done then back at it Saturday on home block.

Dessicated and podstik?
What width row spacing?

Any wbarley results?

Dawggone wrote: »

Dessicated and podstik?
What width row spacing?

Any wbarley results?

Podstik1l/ha, acidifier, 4l/ha glyphos.
Cant say for Wb as be crazy to grow here on heavy ground and only in transition on light into 2 farms. Seemed ok, lots of heads which is a good sign but not heard of any crops in area. Wheats 10-14 days off 4/5 days of osr to cut still. Peas next 5 days, Sbarley and mix is bout 14 days also have a neighbour on standby if needed to cut some if all comes at once
Edit* was auto cast by vaddy bio drill after subsoiled to 5'' at 50cm with 80-100l/ha of yara starter+. Looking to add low amount of trace elements to seed coat this year on 20 ha or so for trial. Got away from flea beetle as 1st stuff sown some of late stuff got hammaered in small areas by flying rats after got past Fbeetle on soft lush growth. Will be back but oil should be there.?!

Blackgrass wrote: »

Podstik1l/ha, acidifier, 4l/ha glyphos.
Cant say for Wb as be crazy to grow here on heavy ground and only in transition on light into 2 farms. Seemed ok, lots of heads which is a good sign but not heard of any crops in area. Wheats 10-14 days off 4/5 days of osr to cut still. Peas next 5 days, Sbarley and mix is bout 14 days also have a neighbour on standby if needed to cut some if all comes at once
Edit* was auto cast by vaddy bio drill after subsoiled to 5'' at 50cm with 80-100l/ha of yara starter+. Looking to add low amount of trace elements to seed coat this year on 20 ha or so for trial. Got away from flea beetle as 1st stuff sown some of late stuff got hammaered in small areas by flying rats after got past Fbeetle on soft lush growth. Will be back but oil should be there.?!

I've been looking at the Vaddy Bio to mount onto a Terrano for the same purpose. Sounds like you're pleased with the system?
If all comes in together it should be fun...is the weather playing ball. Can't be too bad so far when osr is coming off at 8%.

Baled first of the barley around here today.
It was spring malting sown in November.
yielded well up near 4t owner reckoned.
60ac down in various places to be baled up

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Baled first of the barley around here today.
It was spring malting sown in November.
yielded well up near 4t owner reckoned.
60ac down in various places to be baled up

Winter sb can be a disaster as well just remind him

, there's a reason its called spring as doesnt need vernalisation

. Talking to a fella near clohamon
who did the same. Get bailing!

Dawggone wrote: »

I've been looking at the Vaddy Bio to mount onto a Terrano for the same purpose. Sounds like you're pleased with the system?
If all comes in together it should be fun...is the weather playing ball. Can't be too bad so far when osr is coming off at 8%.

Find bio drill easy to use yes happy with it. Goes on drill for applying avadex also.
We've peas near right so better come right! Over cast but windy last few days.

Blackgrass wrote: »

Winter sb can be a disaster as well just remind him , there's a reason its called spring as doesnt need vernalisation . Talking to a fella near clohamon
who did the same. Get bailing!

Was a very mild winter here for it.
Dunno how good it would be if we got a snowy one. Alot didn't look to well after the frost
Willie M?
Seriously early ground either side of the slaney
Be great ground for milk

Blackgrass wrote: »

Winter sb can be a disaster as well just remind him , there's a reason its called spring as doesnt need vernalisation . Talking to a fella near clohamon
who did the same. Get bailing!

Did that lark many moons ago with a variety called Blenheim.
Impossible to keep clean and standing...

The idea at the time was to keep proteins sub 9%.

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

Did that lark many moons ago with a variety called Blenheim.
Impossible to keep clean and standing...

The idea at the time was to keep proteins sub 9%.

I thought blenheim was a winter wheat? Used to do fairly well around here January sown.

freedominacup wrote: »

I thought blenheim was a winter wheat? Used to do fairly well around here late January sown.

Jeez you could be right!
I thought it was a spring malting barley...maybe the brain is getting addled with age!

Brown Podzol

Dawggone wrote: »

Jeez you could be right!
I thought it was a spring malting barley...maybe the brain is getting addled with age!

"And still they gaz'd and still the wonder grew,
That one small head could carry all he knew.":):)

Brown Podzol wrote: »

"And still they gaz'd and still the wonder grew,
That one small head could carry all he knew.":):)

"But past is all his fame. The very spot,
Where many a time he triumphed is forgot."

Brown Podzol

Dawggone wrote: »

"But past is all his fame. The very spot,
Where many a time he triumphed is forgot."

"In arguing too, the parson owned his skill,
For e'en though vanquished, he could argue still;"