thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » This is senior elite intercounty football at the highest level and I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but okay does not cut it Does cody Fitzmauirce joel schmidt great great I mean really really really great jack o Connor and Morgan accept just okay No they don't Why should cork
ancapallliath wrote: » I said in the circumstances Fintan played ok, I didnt say it was good enough.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Fair enough what your views regards yesterday
CORKDOUBLE wrote: » First of all just too sick to post before now another huge dissappointment regards Cork football ....TTM fair play you are 100% correct in your summing up of situation before and after the game ...credit where credit is due ...i might not agree with all you say ...but no one sums up Cork GAA better than you do including a lot of so called journalists . I think one thing is very clear players should be picked in there most natural positions as much as possible ...i know they talk of the modern player whos supposed to play every position but yesterday when i saw Barry O Driscoll come on ...i am a fan of the player but whether he will ever make it or not to see him put back as a corner half back defending yesterday was just unreal ...what did Conor Dorman do wrong ...even at full strength and with a very good manager i dont think we are near Dublin right now theres no disgrace in been beaten by a better team ...but when you know you can do better with the right team out then losing is not as hurtfull......just not thinking out loud ...this team for championship... Ken O Halloron Michael Sheilds Eoin Cadogan Stephen Cronin James Loughrey Conor Dorman Brian O Driscoll Ian Maguire Fintan Goold Paul Kerrigan John O Rourke Donncha O Connor Daniel Goulding Colm O Neill Brian Hurley.... subs...Tomas Clancy, Tom Clancy, Sean White, Jamie O Sullivan, Stephen Cronin, Paddy O Shea, Ruairi Deane, Peter Kelleher, Alan O Connor, Paddy Kelly, Mark Collins, Barry O Driscoll, Cathal Vaughan, Dan McEoin, Sean Kiely, Donal Og Hodnett , Kevin Crowley and Stephen O Donoughue..... One thing i have always believed about Cork football like it or not hurling comes first in the county i was very young but i remember my father telling me that after the 1976 Munster final when JBM, Ray Cummins, Denis Coughlan, Brian Murphy quit the footballers it finished them for years ...likewise Ronan Curran, Gardiner ...Tom Kenny and Sean Og went hurling over football ....now its happened again with Aidan Walsh , Damien Calahane and Alan Cadogan ....i AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE BIGGEST REASON behind another loss like yesterdays but Kilkenny will neaver have this problem Kerry neaver have this problem....just another example the Kerry minors have a free run with there players up until they play Cork on the 13th. of May ...i know for a fact because of club hurling and football the Cork management wont have a full panel together for that game until if they are lucky for the last week leading up to that do or die match...by the way i am 100% behind all Cork hurling and football teams equal .....
seventh7 wrote: » You called it clean and clear. We have the material and the knowhow we just need the right coach at the helm.
Smith614 wrote: » Morgan???
Heisenberg. wrote: » Worst game I've ever been to, hands down. Left after 55mins. How Paddy Power have Cork @ 12/1 to win the championship is beyond me. Wicklow would beat this team.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » What do you think our best chance full back hurling is Your knowledge on the hurling is good would you give us any chance this year to win the all Ireland
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-it-was-humiliating-and-cork-are-dead-for-the-rest-of-the-championship-31175060.html Brolly was right but imo rather than they players being at fault it's management cause lack of spirt He's rarely wrong assessment teams and he's right no hope cork in the championship now None
kilmac14 wrote: » Being a mad Cork Football fan that I am and hailing from the spiritual home of Cork football (the Carbery Division) it saddens and annoys me, regarding the negative and knee jerk reaction to yesterdays defeat. For the record lets break it down a little... 1) Dublin were near full strength yesterday, Michael Dara MacAuley, and have been under the guidance of one of the most astute modern day football coaches in Jim Gavin and playing them in their own back yard gave them a big advantage. 2) The Cork team started a game for the first time ever, without a reconigsed midfielder. No offence to Fintan, Conor or Eoin but non of ye are intercounty midfielders. 3) As much as I like him Ken O Halloran must have one of the worst kick outs in the country. His inability to pick out a man in space outside the 45 is worrying. Is it little wonder 2 years ago that Alan Quirke was brought back for the All Ireland QF v Dublin. 4) The team is lacking real leadership around the middle third. With the likes of Canty, O Neill, Nick Murphy, Noelie all retiring on mass it ripped the heart out of the team and left huge holes to fill, on the pitch and in the dressing room. Unfortunately the likes of Shields, Goold, Goulding , Kerrigan have failed to replace these leaders and that is a major problem. When the Dubs went 5 pts up yesterday nobody s
kilmac14 wrote: » I take what Brolly has to say with a pinch of salt. When has the man ever given the Cork footballers any hope?? Never in my lifetime anyway. He has a bee in his bonnet about the way football is played right now and still lauds Kerry as the masters, even though Fitzmaurice had to go back to mo direach football last year to beat Mayo with Donaghy and then setup a Tyrone style blanket defence to beat Donegal. Give me a break but Brolly might need to come down of his high moral ground and have a look at where this negative football originated...yes Joe in your very own province...it is a northern construct that has the game in such a state and shows the real reasons why Cork havent adapted frm 15 v 15 to blanket and zonal defences...To say Cork have no chance is a bit narrow minded....we'll still make it to the August bank holiday weekend and you never know after that...League is league but championship is a whole different ball game entirely..
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » You can't actually be serious We had three humiliation defeats to Dublin last year, kerry and now yesterday and then mayo tore us apart in the second half we had the scraping of wins v tipp last year, the shirade of dualism, the scraping of wins this and last year league by a point and your annoyed by negative views With respect geuinely what do you expect Story cork football is there's never a rock bottom but a culture of attuide in were too harsh, don't critse, don't embrace change, stick set update that are not progressing and waste golden talents Let's be realistic rather than the perception you have Yes cork had lost leaders but KK and kerry under good management build and develop new leaders The way you talk is oh last team are fine it's an excuse say we won't win another all Ireland Don't forget cadogan, shields, colm. Doc, Goulding sullivan etc all Ireland winners and clancy halloran Collins all big game under age experience and dorman o driscoll etc huge experience with ucc You mention midfield correctly But who's fault is it?? I said this time and time again dinnen and kiely and leary never got a chance yet cussen is recalled and cadogan and sullivan and gould are tried so management are at fault You forget Dublin missed mcauley and introduce seven lads this year that were either new or just back from injury so Dublin hardly at full strength Who did cotk miss that could made available difference Maguire yes but would been negated as Dublin still had two effective midfielder Kelly would made no difference as either him or Collins to start or o rourke as colm and Kevin are automatic with this management as games prove Doc like wise if he started he's replacement is another player like him when we carry two working hard forwards we still loose You are wrong in no cork did not start midfield with out midfielder ist time ever yesterday This midfield started other league games this year your are wrong and management had plenty examples to know they were not at the required level You say ken is at fault yet you acknowledge we have no midfield so how can you blame him Please tell me who is your keeper Remember price got dripped, hanahran form was poorer. Martin fine keeper but too young and o shea poor club to weeks ago What a nonsense of excuse Dublin had an advantage in croke park That's always the case Up to cork to counter that Let's set the record straight Cork brought on a half forward at half back in o driscoll and again then loughrey a half back man marking one of the best corner backs in the game We waited fifty minutes to change the half forward We conceded 8-130in right games in the blanket defence and have the worst record in the league yet Dublin who started the blanket same tile as cork actually to be exact after us as we changed it for the sligo game and yet conceded just four -101 approx so there's no excuse for cork failure to implement the system I suggest you read my post a page back or research cuthbert record with minors and senior lastly two years and what stands out clearly all he's team can't defend as they conceded huge scores and defence wins games in championship and forwards decide by how much You also convently forget with respect cork failed for an hour to score v Waterford from play, against tipp went a half, against kerry last year and mayo large spells where we don't score Now all of the issues I raised have not happened once or twice but repeated time and again and incentives is an accident more than once is a trend This over reaction negative nee jerk reaction imo only speak from my view but I suggest with respect your look at my post last week and before and at the start of the league and last year championship I repeated these concerns so that hopefully will show it's far from a knee jerk reaction but in fact as harsh as it is forever me a long time lover all things cork gaa to say the harsh realities in cork football When do cork football start to question things???? And your seem to work respect blame everything bar management You do realise surely sexton and sullivan and Davis great great servants forward cork hsve no record at management at any level Cuthbert imo would be a fine administration but out of he's depth at senior and with minors while had munster win he chopped and changed the team all the way to an all Ireland and club record with Bishopstown and Ballyclough was poor Clsre won senior all Ireland with young team, donegal won one with no all Ireland winners and cork have all Ireland winners at under twenty one and senior so hsve no excuse not to be challenging for glory Your entitled to your view and while I respect it clearly imo you have no logic behind it in facts prove most of the issues in the set up with cork management have to hold the large share of responsibility
kilmac14 wrote: » First things first TTM I have a right to my opnions and to say that I cant back up my facts is just you having a rant. I totally agreed that management have alot to answer for but to constantly question and crib about Cuthbert and his style, tactics and ability are extremely childish in my view. Like it our lump it he was given the job by the County Board and as supporters we should at least try to get behind him. Also I havent the time or inclination to read back through your posts as there are many other knowledgable people on this forum whom I would agree with. Looking back to last year, yes we lost to Dublin, Kerry and Mayo and they, along with Donegal are the top four counties in Gaelic football at the moment. Yes we got hammered by Dublin in the league semi final last year and the Munster Final was an absolute disaster, but its not today or yesterday that that started to happen. You must remember we are the only dual county whom are almost expected to win AI's in both codes. Kerry are a dual county but a primarily Football one, same with Dublin, Mayo and Donegal. We in Cork, and it pains me to say it, are primarily a hurling county and football has always been the poor relation. So thus this expectation that we should somehow be competing every year for Sam is alittle fanciful if you think about it. The issues with Cork football have always and ever been two fold: 1) Cork football has no notable style or pattern. Kerry have the traditional Catch and Kick married with speed and strength. Dublin have high athleticism and skillful ball players. 2) The Cork footballing strongholds of Carbery/Beara, Duhallow, Muskerry arent producing the same quality of player that they did in the past. This fixation of alot of coaches to have atheletes instead of ball players has seriously weakened Cork football. You also brought up the point about Cuthberts inability or unwilingness to make changes and make the right ones. We as far as I can remember this has been a trait of alot of past managers in Cork aswell. Counihan started Kieran O Connor in 09 AI against Declan O Sullivan, Billy Morgan's second spell in charge where he kept picking the likes of Conor McCarthy who were'nt good enough IMO for the Cork setup. So yes Cuthbert isnt the right man for the job there arent exactly a long list of coaches to pick frm here in Cork. You spoke on a previous post about Ned English or Gene O Driscoll. Now having seen teams coached by Ned on numerous occasions over the past ten years I couldnt think of anything worse that a team who handpasses the ball 500 times in a game while refusing to kick the ball and Gene is quite a good coach but while his Carbery Senior side are a decent enough side, he's no tactical genius either. I also wanted to stress that looking at the past three of four minor and U21 Cork football teams, none of them have had very good defences, and very few defenders have come frm those teams to play senior IC. My point regarding midfielders was that Fintan Goold, Conor Dorman or Eoin Cadogan have rarely if ever played there for there clubs and expecting them to plug a gap at IC is a joke. The point about Dineen and O Laoire are well IMO and having played with Dineen, he hasnt the ability to be an IC player. O Laoire might be needs to bulk up if he wants to play there. As for the goalkeeper, well IMO do we also have to pick players who played underage for the county, because I feel that there are better kickers of the ball in Cork that Ken O Halloran. Martin might be young but sure give him a go, nothing to loose by trying him. Tommy Lyons gave Cluxton his chance in 2001 and he has changed to art of kickouts. Ken's big problem is his acuracy and his lack of variety. Its basic stuff if your losing midfield dont keep pumping high ball in there especially when u have no natural fielder of the ball in there. Plus any team to lose seven AI winners in one winter are bound to struggle. Cork doesnt have the same culture of developing talent in the mould that Kerry or KK have. And my last point is that TTM, yes you do make some very valid points but saying these arent much good on a forum its at a County Board meeting or Club meeting that these views need to aired. Having spent quite a while going to County Board meetings their are a number of high profile men on that board that would love nothing better than seeing the footballers fail and the hurlers.
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