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This thread is for the discussion of the recent Graham Dwyer court case. We will open it once sentencing has been passed.

Rules from the outset;

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Please use common sense, remember that both the victim’s family, and Dwyer’s family, all of whom are entirely innocent, may be reading this. They have enough to deal with without the members of After Hours adding to that.

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Frigga_92

PressRun wrote: »

The chances of the jogger remembering that he met her in a place where the CCTV cameras just happened to not be working thus proving she was carrying out Dwyer's instructions is almost like something from a movie. An incredible detail.

People complain about the Guards a lot, but their dedication to unearthing what happened here was fantastic.

The jogger using the map my run app that time he met her was crazy too!

The Dark Side

Laois_Man wrote: »

The bit that bothers me is he's reported to have told prison officers that there are far more dangerous men than him out there in the BDSM website world

By some redtop rag no doubt.

Wouldn't go believing everything you read in those.

superelliptic

nokia69 wrote: »

but what difference would it make

Dwyer had plenty of friends who had no idea what he was up too, and TBF how could they know

we have very little idea what goes on in other peoples heads

Yeah you're right about that - in this case it probably wouldn't have made much difference at all, but the point I'm making is that if more people got to know those who live around them better then people from outside the area coming in would be more memorable. Like if Elaine and her neighbours* had know each other better, or paid attention to her comings and goings a guy like Dwyer showing up at her house may have been noticed and questions asked.

(*I'm absolutely not suggesting that her neighbours are in any way culpable for events though)

Laois_Man

RTE O'Clock news today said the average life sentence now is really 19.5 years. So different numbers are reported everywhere.

If he does get out in 19.5 years is it even going to be newsworthy then? In the year 2032, are many going to remember/care? Will it even make the headlines?

Just breaking in the news today, there's talk of the guy who shot Ronald Reagan being set free now. Just shows how human outrage eases over time.

tayto lover

Fair play to that Garda who went back searching the reservoir day after day in his own time. Hope his bosses reward him and make him a detective. he deserves something.

LadyAthame

The Dark Side wrote: »

Wouldn't go believing everything you read in those.

I would not demonize the community but there are dangerous manipulative people out there. You would be naive not to realize it.

LadyAthame

tayto lover wrote: »

Fair play to that Garda who went back searching the reservoir day after day in his own time. Hope his bosses reward him and make him a detective. he deserves something.

They really were amazing. And yes he does.

Conall Cernach

Laois_Man wrote: »

RTE O'Clock news today said the average life sentence now is really 19.5 years. So different numbers are reported everywhere.

If he does get out in 19.5 years is it even going to be newsworthy then? In the year 2032, are many going to remember/care? Will it even make the headlines?

Just breaking in the news today, there's talk of the guy who shot Ronald Reagan being set free now. Just shows how human outrage eases over time.

Ronald Reagan didn't die then.

nokia69

The Dark Side wrote: »

By some redtop rag no doubt.

Wouldn't go believing everything you read in those.

Dwyer, Murphy, Nash

do you really believe we only have 3 psychopathic killers in Ireland

lucky for us 2 of the 3 are locked up and the other lives in the UK

Roquentin

nokia69 wrote: »

Dwyer, Murphy, Nash

do you really believe we only have 3 psychopathic killers in Ireland

lucky for us 2 of the 3 are locked up and the other lives in the UK

im pretty sure there is some who havn't yet been caught

nokia69

tayto lover wrote: »

Fair play to that Garda who went back searching the reservoir day after day in his own time. Hope his bosses reward him and make him a detective. he deserves something.

I wonder was just looking for some more free bondage gear

and all he found were a couple of old phones

Roquentin

its a scary world out there

Magico Gonzalez

anto9 wrote: »

I used to live in Dublin also .

No, more or less round the corner from him Rathmines before he went to Foxrock.

Laois_Man

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Ronald Reagan didn't die then.

And Elaine O'Hara' wasn't the US President.

What's your point?

humanji

nokia69 wrote: »

I wonder was just looking for some more free bondage gear

and all he found were a couple of old phones

MOD: Just don't bother posting in this thread again.

LadyAthame

Laois_Man wrote: »

And Elaine O'Hara' wasn't the US President.

What's your point?

What Dwyer did was much more predatory and he is more dangerous to society. He psychologically abused her for years. His whole other life revolved around seeking individuals to abuse and kill for gratification. And he killed her. He was not crazy he was just horrible. The guy who tried to kill Regan was crazy and did it to impress jodie foster he was obsessed with her.

ohnonotgmail

Laois_Man wrote: »

And Elaine O'Hara' wasn't the US President.

What's your point?

the point is that it wasnt murder. also Hinckley was found not guilty and has been in psychiatric care ever since.

LoonyLovegood

Laois_Man wrote: »

The bit that bothers me is he's reported to have told prison officers that there are far more dangerous men than him out there in the BDSM website world

Quite possible!

There probably are people involved in that stuff who are more dangerous than him. But it's not what people do in the bedroom that's the issue, it's the consent. Elaine O'Hara reminds me of myself in some ways, we were both teenagers with severe mental health issues, but I'm lucky enough that I've overcome mine in a large way, whereas her illnesses took a large chunk of her life. All she wanted was someone to care about her, and she thought that's what she was getting.

There's no point in coming out and saying "Everyone who's involved in BDSM is dangerous and wrong", because that's not true. You just have to look at the case of R v Brown in the UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Brown ), where men were convicted of BDSM acts, despite the fact that it was consensual, that none of the 'victims' (who again, were of sound mind and consented) ever had to seek medical treatment, and that the 'victims' never actually complained to the police.

I just hope that this gives that poor girl's family some sense of closure, and I hope that Dwyer's wife and sons are left alone to live their lives. It's not their fault he's such a monster.

tayto lover

LadyAthame wrote: »

What Dwyer did was much more predatory and he is more dangerous to society. He psychologically abused her for years. His whole other life revolved around seeking individuals to abuse and kill for gratification. And he killed her. He was not crazy he was just horrible. The guy who tried to kill Regan was crazy and did it to impress jodie foster he was obsessed with her.

Also Dwyer lived a very convincing double life as the great family man with all the family photos, the flying club and the great career. He seemed to have a great talent for hiding his macabre side, for computer use, planning to meet these lonely easily controlled people and for making victims out of them while continuing to work as normal and have a hobby of flying model aircraft.
I would be amazed if he hadn't murdered before.

The Assistinator

Really cant help but think of how badly this woman has been let down by people treating her mental health in this country it seems she was just put through the motions again and again very sad.
RIP elaine

Roquentin

alchemist33 wrote: »

Completely agree with the verdict and sentence and my heart goes out to the victim and her family.

What sticks out for me was the enthusiasm with which the media swarmed over this case, and probably because of the sexual element. In another case a man was convicted of his wifes manslaughter today, but this trial was mentioned barely if at all in the national media. There seems to be an element in Irish society which laps up certain murders, yet will ignore others which are supposedly less newsworthy, and it just annoys me.

Anyway, job well done by the legal system. RIP Elaine

its a number of things:

He was a married man
He was a professional (architect)
The sexual nature of the case
How he was caught
The rarity of the case ( if there was a case like this every week, the public would lose interest in them)

possibly more. but when you add up all those elements you get a case that is unique. this means the papers will sell because people wish to read about it

its similar to how when a new product comes on the market, people flock to buy it because its new and different. from a psychological point of view, that the people havent seen a case like this before means it captures the publics attention.

superelliptic

martyo wrote: »

Really cant help but think of how badly this woman has been let down by people treating her mental health in this country it seems she was just put through the motions again and again very sad.
RIP elaine

How do you mean? I don't think I ever read that any psychologist knew of how dangerous her involvement with Dwyer was and ignored it?

Roquentin

Henwin wrote: »

2 points about the case i would like to make.
ealaine apparantly told her friends she was seeing a married man who liked to hurt her and she was afraid of him, why didnt they report this to the guards when she went missing
and people like Dywer, how do they become so evil, were they born like this or did something happen to them when they were younger and they turned into a monster. he said he began having these feelings at 14, did something happen then to kick start these feelings. are pysicos born or made

ted bundy said that porn and power were the two main reasons he did what he did. (bundy killed about thirty people) i remember seeing a youtube video wherein a famous psychologist said that one has to be hardwired in some way to want to have to act so abnormally. having said that one still has to find their addiction.

killing to these guys is often like an addiction that they have to service. they get highs from it. they do once, get a high, and then the urge to do it again returns.

but like bundy said, it was the power dywer had over his victim that he found enjoyable and he was also watching porn with regards this type of fetish. eventually porn loses it potency and they have to bring the fantasy to real life.

dywer is the textbook psychopathic narcissist. he displayed complete lack of remorse and thought he would get off free. hes sitting in his cell now thinking he was justified in killing her.

whats an abnormal response to an abnormal situation? A normal response, which is what dywer exhibited. the way his brain was hardwired, the way the chemicals interacted all combined to give you this man.

the scary thing is, there are more men out there. maybe not in ireland but certainly in the world of nearly 8 billion people. scary yes, but true. look at poor karen buckley.

bundy once said the serial killers of this world are your husbands, your brothers and your children.

think of dywers wife, she never would have suspected that her husband and father of her children was such a creature. it shows that one never really knows what happens inside someones head.

scary world alright

Laois_Man

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the point is that it wasnt murder. also Hinckley was found not guilty and has been in psychiatric care ever since.

As a matter of fact, President Reagan's assistant who was also shot that day, died last year as a direct result of his gunshot injuries and his death was consequentially ruled a homicide. If Nancy Reagan had her way, Ronald Reagans death in the early 00's would have been also.

But the point is being missed. There was huge outrage at that Hinckley verdict. There probably will still be a little outrage if he is set free now, bit nothing in comparison. It'll be the same when people like Joe O'Reilly and Graham O'Dwyer eventually get out.

Rayne Wooney

Must have been living under a rock the past few years, hadn't heard the details of this one, like a really sick 50 shades of grey

Fair play to the Garda for piecing it together, crazy the luck involved though the guy using the running app only twice and one of the times led to him being able to show he was the last person besides her killer to see her alive, and the other man who found the stuff in the lake

The Assistinator

superelliptic wrote: »

How do you mean? I don't think I ever read that any psychologist knew of how dangerous her involvement with Dwyer was and ignored it?

Not really what i meant, its more that this woman made so many cries for help and still did not get the help she desperatly needed to escape from dwyers grasp.

ohnonotgmail

Laois_Man wrote: »

As a matter of fact, President Reagan's assistant who was also shot that day, died last year as a direct result of his gunshot injuries and his death was consequentially ruled a homicide. If Nancy Reagan had her way, Ronald Reagans death in the early 00's would have been also.

But the point is being missed. There was huge outrage at that Hinckley verdict. There probably will still be a little outrage if he is set free now, bit nothing in comparison. It'll be the same when people like Joe O'Reilly and Graham O'Dwyer eventually get out.

the death of Brady notwithstanding Hinckley is already receiving regular temporary release. weeks at a time several times a year.

emo72

mcarthur did more than 20 years for murdering 2 people and did over 20 years? or was it 25? he pleaded guilty.

dwyer pleaded not guilty, still denies any involvement, and has not shown 1 ounce of remorse. this i would imagine will go against him when he comes up to parole hearings. if he is still in denial, why should he get released?

that is why he will do 20 plus years. i would be shocked otherwise. im well aware i know nothing though.

ohnonotgmail

emo72 wrote: »

mcarthur did more than 20 years for murdering 2 people and did over 20 years? or was it 25? he pleaded guilty.
...

30 actually

Kidchameleon

Two things that the media seemed to forget. One was that Elaine knowingly had an affair with a married man. The second was that she consented to being stabbed. Now I'm sure she didn't consent to being killed but she was into her dirty sex just like Dwyer.