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People who hire hookers?

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Friend hires one a week. Says its cheaper than a girlfriend and isn't tied down. What's your views on people who hire them?

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Mister Vain

Saralee4 wrote: »

maybe the women are using vibrators?

Or empty cigar tubes filled with angry wasps. :eek: Either way its cheaper than a 3 grand doll.

lavdad

Saralee4 wrote: »

maybe the women are using vibrators?

Are you really consciously trying to deny that women's sex drive is generally inferior to men's? Just out of curiosity, are men physically stronger to women? If you'd deny the former I wouldn't be too surprised at you denying the latter.

nokia69

inferior is the wrong word to use in this case

lower makes more sense

Saralee4

lavdad wrote: »

Are you really consciously trying to deny that women's sex drive is generally inferior to men's? Just out of curiosity, are men physically stronger to women? If you'd deny the former I wouldn't be too surprised at you denying the latter.

I think all people have different sex drives and libido.

I understand that for a man there comes a certain point that he may need to feel an urge to 'release' and in that sense a woman may go longer without sex but I don't see how that means a woman's desire is any less important or significant than a mans.

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[Deleted User]

Men and women on average:) have similar sex drives, however context is more important to women, hence women will use vibrates rather that have casual sex.

One eyed Jack

nokia69 wrote: »

there have been plenty of studies on differences between men and womens sex drive and they all tell the same story

http://suzigodson.com/2014/01/gender-differences-in-sex-drive-nothing-is-accidental/

No, they don't, and if I were on the laptop I too could google whatever studies put forward the view that there isn't all that much difference between the genders in terms of their sex drive, libido, whatever words you choose to use.

It simply depends on where you source your data.

and its clear to anyone except some feminists that its far easier for a woman to find a partner than a man

I've already refuted the accusation of being a feminist (an insult actually tbh IMO given what it's become, but I'm not going to take offence as I'm not surprised at the accusation). I also refute your assertion that it's far easier for a woman to find a partner than a man, and no, I'm reluctant to get into "So if... this, that and the other" type set scenarios as we'd be here all night, but I know some absolutely stunning looking women who have difficulty with men, due of course to their own insecurities about themselves. No different than the men I know then in that regard.

The only difference I've noticed between them is that women get very despondent, whereas men seem to get very bitter, and women seem to bounce back quicker than men, generally speaking of course, and merely based upon my own anecdotal observations.

so I doubt that there are an equal number of involuntary celibate woman as men, and I know for a fact that there is a difference between man and women's libido

facts will always trump ideology

Ohh I dunno about that, you can convince anyone of anything once you market it properly. You can even convince people that you're better at something than anyone else, when they're unaware of the fact that you're no more specially gifted than anyone else.

It's all about how you present yourself and your ideas.

lavdad

mariaalice wrote: »

Men and women on average:) have similar sex drives, however context is more important to women, hence women will use vibrates rather that have casual sex.

"Drive" would implicate the impulse to find and have sex. You're deluded if you reckon this is the same in men as it is in women. If it weren't the case, you'd have sex sites where men could go and with not too difficulty find women to meet up with and have sex.

Saralee4

lavdad wrote: »

"Drive" would implicate the impulse to find and have sex. You're deluded if you reckon this is the same in men as it is in women. If it weren't the case, you'd have sex sites where men could go and with not too difficulty find women to meet up with and have sex.

:rolleyes:

nokia69

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No, they don't, and if I were on the laptop I too could google whatever studies put forward the view that there isn't all that much difference between the genders in terms of their sex drive, libido, whatever words you choose to use.

It simply depends on where you source your data.

Jack all I the links I can find all tell the same story, men have a higher libido than woman

I'm actually interested to read a link to a study that says different, If you can't post it now fair enough, post it when you get the chance

One eyed Jack

lavdad wrote: »

"Drive" would implicate the impulse to find and have sex. You're deluded if you reckon this is the same in men as it is in women. If it weren't the case, you'd have sex sites where men could go and with not too difficulty find women to meet up with and have sex.

Ehhh....

Actually, y'know what, forget it! From what you've posted so far, it's clear you only have one agenda that's been so ingrained in you that it would be futile to even try and engage with a view to a frank and friendly exchange of views.

Least with nokia69 and Mr. Vain, we often clash, but least we do it with good humour and nobody's going home upset

EDIT: Got your name wrong, not gonna be forgetting that one for a while... :pac:

nokia69

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Ohh I dunno about that, you can convince anyone of anything once you market it properly. You can even convince people that you're better at something than anyone else, when they're unaware of the fact that you're no more specially gifted than anyone else.

It's all about how you present yourself and your ideas.

marketing will only get you so far

if the gap between reality and marketing claims is big enough you get called a bull****ter very quickly

lavdad

Saralee4 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

If that were the case, why the hell would men pay 200 an hour for sex when they could go to these sites and get it for free?

I know there are sites that advertise as places where men can meet women for casual sex, but an average looking guy, or even a well above average looking guy would have to invest literally years of constant searching to find one female willing to meet him and have sex.

lavdad

Saralee4 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

the evasion_kid

lavdad wrote: »

If that were the case, why the hell would men pay 200 an hour for sex when they could go to these sites and get it for free?

I know there are sites that advertise as places where men can meet women for casual sex, but an average looking guy, or even a well above average looking guy would have to invest literally years of constant searching to find one female willing to meet him and have sex.

Have a looked at tagged com,youll really see who holds the power at play.....I rest my case

lavdad

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Have a looked at tagged com,youll really see who holds the power at play.....I rest my case

Let me guess it offers the opportunity for the average female to become an online celebrity with constant attention and gratification from desperate males? Typical female's online experience

One eyed Jack

nokia69 wrote: »

marketing will only get you so far

if the gap between reality and marketing claims is big enough you get called a bull****ter very quickly

Actually that's an interesting point you raise, and one that according to my female friends is a fairly prevalent experience on social media and online dating sites - if they'd a dime for every time a guy lambasted them for being a cock tease and so on for not being 'seduced' by his 'apparently' charming personality (and not just his pec and dick pics), then said guy would still message them shortly after "to see had they changed their mind", they'd have enough money for a fairly decent foreign holiday!

the evasion_kid

lavdad wrote: »

Let me guess it offers the opportunity for the average female to become an online celebrity with constant attention and gratification from desperate males? Typical female's online experience

Bingo,and as much as they give out about it,they actually thrive on the validation it gives them,a quick dopamine rush.

Saralee4

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

I don't know where I said I felt "entitled" to a stunning looking girl. I have said I know my level and date on that level. I was saying that your "go up and create sexual tension" advice was unlikely to work because as you say "what have I got to offer", clearly we are not on the same level lookswise and for many women the door closes there.

I'm dating girls on my looks level as I've said time and time again as I got sick of being harshly rejected by the prettier ones. The one time I found a very rare one (who told me she felt sorry for me initially and gave me a chance based on that), the relationship dynamic was very much lopsided in her favour powerwise and I had to put up with a lot of irrational and disrespectful behaviour because of it. So for simpler, easier relationships, I do indeed date girls on my level and the stunning ones I pay for.

You gave the impression that you couldn't understand why you "don't see that many stunning women with below average men" so I explained that you are not entitled.

If you are dating girls on your "level" and paying for your stunning woman needs then I'm not sure what your problem is?

lavdad

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Actually that's an interesting point you raise, and one that according to [bold]my female friends[/bold] is a fairly prevalent experience on social media and online dating sites - if they'd a dime for every time a guy lambasted them for being a cock tease and so on for not being 'seduced' by his 'apparently' charming personality (and not just his pec and dick pics), then said guy would still message them shortly after "to see had they changed their mind", they'd have enough money for a fairly decent foreign holiday!

Finally figured it out, you're gay?

dark crystal

lavdad wrote: »

Women are in general utterly deluded when it comes to sexuality.

lavdad wrote: »

Let me guess it offers the opportunity for the average female to become an online celebrity with constant attention and gratification from desperate males? Typical female's online experience

You're fond of throwing out generalisations about women aren't you?

The bitterness on this thread reeks.

lavdad

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Actually that's an interesting point you raise, and one that according to [bold]my female friends[/bold] is a fairly prevalent experience on social media and online dating sites - if they'd a dime for every time a guy lambasted them for being a cock tease and so on for not being 'seduced' by his 'apparently' charming personality (and not just his pec and dick pics), then said guy would still message them shortly after "to see had they changed their mind", they'd have enough money for a fairly decent foreign holiday!

Are you a gay male by any chance?

Ogniochialli

Saralee4 wrote: »

You gave the impression that you couldn't understand why you "don't see that many stunning women with below average men" so I explained that you are not entitled.

If you are dating girls on your "level" and paying for your stunning woman needs then I'm not sure what your problem is?

Did he say he has a problem?

One eyed Jack

lavdad wrote: »

Finally figured it out, you're gay?

lavdad wrote: »

Are you a gay male by any chance?

Well, aren't you eager?

Saralee4

lavdad wrote: »

If that were the case, why the hell would men pay 200 an hour for sex when they could go to these sites and get it for free?

I know there are sites that advertise as places where men can meet women for casual sex, but an average looking guy, or even a well above average looking guy would have to invest literally years of constant searching to find one female willing to meet him and have sex.

Women are in general utterly deluded when it comes to sexuality.

If you think "women" are deluded then you have to question the fact and possibility that you are the one who is deluded.

Even going by your posts here. You come across as angry and bitter, almost envious of women. If you approach women with the same attitude, their reactions to you will only reinforce your views in your head.

Most woman don't hate men, they don't hate sex, they are not against you. In many ways women are more like men than you think. You need to try to relate to women rather than fear and compete with them. I'm just going by the impression you are giving me in the posts.

Saralee4

Ogniochialli wrote: »

Did he say he has a problem?

If you read the earlier posts of how this conversation came about, you would see that he said that you can't get women by using confidence and security. He said that women were no interested in him but now he is saying that he dates women on his "level"

Ogniochialli

Saralee4 wrote: »

If you think "women" are deluded then you have to question the fact and possibility that you are the one who is deluded.

Even going by your posts here. You come across as angry and bitter, almost envious of women. If you approach women with the same attitude, their reactions to you will only reinforce your views in your head.

Most woman don't hate men, they don't hate sex, they are not against you. In many ways women are more like men than you think. You need to try to relate to women rather than fear and compete with them. I'm just going by the impression you are giving me in the posts.

You seem to be more concerned with playing the man rather than the ball.

G_R

lavdad wrote: »

Are you a gay male by any chance?

Mod

Less of it.

Ogniochialli

Saralee4 wrote: »

If you read the earlier posts of how this conversation came about, you would see that he said that you can't get women by using confidence and security. He said that women were no interested in him but now he is saying that he dates women on his "level"

Ok and when did he say he has a problem?

PKH

Hookers DO tie you down !
They charge more for it though

ceadaoin.

Saralee4 wrote: »

If you think "women" are deluded then you have to question the fact and possibility that you are the one who is deluded.

Even going by your posts here. You come across as angry and bitter, almost envious of women. If you approach women with the same attitude, their reactions to you will only reinforce your views in your head.

Most woman don't hate men, they don't hate sex, they are not against you. In many ways women are more like men than you think. You need to try to relate to women rather than fear and compete with them. I'm just going by the impression you are giving me in the posts.

All the guys on these threads who complain about their bad luck with dating and sex mostly seem to display the same bitterness and general bad attitude towards women. It's not rocket science to see why women don't want to sleep with them.