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Tim Sherwood Confirmed As New Aston Villa Manager

Paully D · 2015-02-14T14:53:36+00:00

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31470606 Thoughts on this one then?

Paully D

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31470606

Tim Sherwood has been appointed manager at Aston Villa, signing a contract at the club until summer 2018.

Villa sacked Paul Lambert on Wednesday after a winless run of 10 league games in which they scored just two goals.

Sherwood, 46, replaced Andre Villas-Boas as Tottenham manager in December 2013 but parted company with the club at the end of last season and has been out of work since.

"It is a great honour and I can't wait to get started," said Sherwood.
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CSF

NukaCola wrote: »

With Premier league football at stake I just dont see why Villa needed to take a gamble on Tim Sherwood.

Putting everything aside, he has only 5 months experience. It may pay off but its a big risk.

I actually don't think Sherwood will struggle to keep Villa up. It's what comes after that Id be more nervous about but lets just see.

People mightnt think so, but with Benteke, Delph, Okore, Gil, Sanchez, Westwood, Guzan and Sinclair there, I think he actually has a pretty decent core to work with, relative to expectations.

listermint

CSF wrote: »

I actually don't think Sherwood will struggle to keep Villa up. It's what comes after that Id be more nervous about but lets just see.

People mightnt think so, but with Benteke, Delph, Okore, Gil, Sanchez, Westwood, Guzan and Sinclair there, I think he actually has a pretty decent core to work with, relative to expectations.

This.

Skylinehead

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Perhaps there does need to be a larger sample size but equally saying he is a better manager than a genuinely gifted manager like Pochettino is madness.

But calling him a

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Woeful manager

is obviously perfectly fine given the same sample size. You're hilariously hypocritical sometimes.

smileyj1987

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Delighted. Woeful manager but a gold mine of entertainment, something you couldn't say about Villa on the pitch.

Wow a woeful manager who has one of the best win rates as a spurs manager. The man fixed the mess that Jose's protege AVB left behind.

Richard Hillman

I think he did OK at Spurs. It is a very tough club to succeed in. There has been a bad culture around Spurs over the last number of years ( I could say decades). There has been a lot of career subs and people who just want to live in London so stick about at the club. It is very tough to turn a dressing room around from people who just want to exist to turning them into winners.

tastyt

I think he proved today what a great manager he is

Saipanne

tastyt wrote: »

I think he proved today what a great manager he is

Against the worst team in the premier league. Awesome.

Saipanne

tastyt wrote: »

You don't really understand sarcasm do you

Not in its poorly written form, no.

tastyt

Saipanne wrote: »

Not in its poorly written form, no.

Haha poor poor comeback.

CSF

I understand sarcasm, it's usually a bit more witty than that though.

CSF

tastyt wrote: »

Haha poor poor comeback.

We aren't 16 years old, it's not the schoolyard, it's a conversation about football. What is wrong with you?

tastyt

Sorry lads. Il go now and let ye play together

CSF

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think he did OK at Spurs. It is a very tough club to succeed in. There has been a bad culture around Spurs over the last number of years ( I could say decades). There has been a lot of career subs and people who just want to live in London so stick about at the club. It is very tough to turn a dressing room around from people who just want to exist to turning them into winners.

You could actually probably thank Sherwood for the beginnings of turning that around.

Young hungry lads like Kane, Mason and Bentaleb who've featured heavily this year, all saw significantly more football under Sherwood if I'm not mistaken.

Alot easier for Pochettino to part with Soldado or Adebayor (who may well fall into that category) when he doesn't have to spend 20 mil on a replacement.

MrKingsley

CSF wrote: »

You could actually probably thank Sherwood for the beginnings of turning that around.

Young hungry lads like Kane, Mason and Bentaleb who've featured heavily this year, all saw significantly more football under Sherwood if I'm not mistaken.

Alot easier for Pochettino to part with Soldado or Adebayor (who may well fall into that category) when he doesn't have to spend 20 mil on a replacement.

Mason has only come in since pochettino has been there.

Sherwood gave Kane a run of games at the end of the season and Bentaleb was put in from the minute he got there.

Watching spurs all of last year was rotten. However I would agrue that at least with AVB there seemed to be a plan. From when sherwood came in it became uglier by the game.

I dont rate him that highly but he cant be properly judged after 5 months. Ridiculous

efb

Wrong man to keep them up

CSF

efb wrote: »

Wrong man to keep them up

How come?

DVDM93

CSF wrote: »

How come?

Too reliant on viagra.

Sheepy99

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Sure. In his time at Spurs his side looked devoid of ideas or purpose, I'd say toothless would be a fair way to describe them. On top of that his cartoonish antics on the touchline and in interviews only drew more negative attention to his team. When you see what Pochetinno is doing with basically the same group of players it's fairly obvious that Sherwood was incapable of getting the best from them. He seems like he's full of passion and might inspire some people with his sheer energy but I can't remember being overly impressed with him tactically.

Just to delve a bit away from whether or not he's up to it.
How does what you've described take away from a manager's credibility?
It's called passion. From what you're saying you prefer the recycled, generic statements and reactions that 80% of the league's managers spew out before/after games.

More managers should be harsh on their players when it's deserved, they're well paid players with egos, not socially awkward children who might recoil into a shell at the smallest bit of personal negativity. I think they can handle it.

And to reference a bit of your statement that I didn't place in bold, what you described would give fair weight to the opinion that Pochettino is better than Sherwood. Then again, that's why he's at Spurs and not Villa

Chancer3001

10 losses in 28 games is pretty poor.

But he sets his teams up to go for it.

Villa should be able to beat the teams in and around them in the table and that should see them stay up.

I'm trying to think who the alternative options for villa were....there aren't any good ones

Chancer3001

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Just to delve a bit away from whether or not he's up to it.
How does what you've described take away from a manager's credibility?
It's called passion. From what you're saying you prefer the recycled, generic statements and reactions that 80% of the league's managers spew out before/after games.

More managers should be harsh on their players when it's deserved, they're well paid players with egos, not socially awkward children who might recoil into a shell at the smallest bit of personal negativity. I think they can handle it.

And to reference a bit of your statement that I didn't place in bold, what you described would give fair weight to the opinion that Pochettino is better than Sherwood. Then again, that's why he's at Spurs and not Villa

Disagree. Confidence is everything to a player. Everything. Being harsh on a player will never build confidence. It may, sometimes, make a player work harder, and there's a fear factor that can create respect and extrinsic motivation, but all the harshness and "giving out" needs to be kept completely private.

Ferguson was one of the most famous harsh managers, hair dryer treatment etc, yet in 30 years managing he very very rarely slated any player publicly.

That's the right way to do it.

smileyj1987

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Sure. In his time at Spurs his side looked devoid of ideas or purpose, I'd say toothless would be a fair way to describe them. On top of that his cartoonish antics on the touchline and in interviews only drew more negative attention to his team. When you see what Pochetinno is doing with basically the same group of players it's fairly obvious that Sherwood was incapable of getting the best from them. He seems like he's full of passion and might inspire some people with his sheer energy but I can't remember being overly impressed with him tactically.

His behavior was no worse then some of the things you hero Jose came out with and yet you call out Sherwood on it.
Jose can park buses and behave how ever he pleases and you will call a win by him a master class in x , y or z. Yet Sherwood decides time to get the spurs players playing a simpler game and he is a woeful manager and the likes. I'll judge Sherwood when I see him work at a job long term and not only 5 months. But his record at spurs was good so he can't be a woeful manager.

CSF

Chancer3001 wrote: »

10 losses in 28 games is pretty poor.

But he sets his teams up to go for it.

Villa should be able to beat the teams in and around them in the table and that should see them stay up.

I'm trying to think who the alternative options for villa were....there aren't any good ones

It's a misleading stat though really. The points variance between a draw and a win, is double that between a draw and a loss.

Really though, points percentage is the only true stat as a measure.

pavb2

There are a lot of negative comments about Sherwood being the wrong man, not up to the job,lacks experience etc but I don't see many offering any viable alternatives or opinions on who they think could do a job for Villa

Andersonisgod

smileyj1987 wrote: »

His behavior was no worse then some of the things you hero Jose came out with and yet you call out Sherwood on it.
Jose can park buses and behave how ever he pleases and you will call a win by him a master class in x , y or z. Yet Sherwood decides time to get the spurs players playing a simpler game and he is a woeful manager and the likes. I'll judge Sherwood when I see him work at a job long term and not only 5 months. But his record at spurs was good so he can't be a woeful manager.

I'd like to note that so far in this thread I've seen Sherwood compared to Andre Villas Boas, who can boast a domestic league title and a Europa League success on his CV, I've seen comparisons to Mauricio Pochettino who has proven himself as one of the shrewdest managers about in quite a short career thus far, here's a comparison to Jose Mourinho who is, arguably, the greatest manager in modern football, all of these comparisons for a guy whose been in charge of a team for 5 months, who failed to impress anyone in that time in what his team produced on the pitch and whose claim to fame are his cringe post match interviewers and his close relationship with his gilet.

As I said earlier, it's the equivalent of saying that Avram Grant is one of the world's great coaches based on his win percentage at Chelsea, if you read stats without applying context you end up with a skewed perception.

I found his Spurs team devoid of ideas or purpose, I thought he brought only negativity with him with his antics, I can't actually pinpoint any real positives behind hiring him other than a potential boost in immediate results that always seem to come with the hiring of a new manager, once that wears off I feel very confident in saying that Villa has a managerial dud on their hands.

LuckyLloyd

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think he did OK at Spurs. It is a very tough club to succeed in. There has been a bad culture around Spurs over the last number of years ( I could say decades). There has been a lot of career subs and people who just want to live in London so stick about at the club. It is very tough to turn a dressing room around from people who just want to exist to turning them into winners.

Also, the fans would also rather you lost 4 - 3 than win 1 - 0. I totally agree with you - a near impossible club to succeed at long term.

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Just to delve a bit away from whether or not he's up to it.
How does what you've described take away from a manager's credibility?
It's called passion. From what you're saying you prefer the recycled, generic statements and reactions that 80% of the league's managers spew out before/after games.

More managers should be harsh on their players when it's deserved, they're well paid players with egos, not socially awkward children who might recoil into a shell at the smallest bit of personal negativity. I think they can handle it.

Well said. Football fans seem to have been totally brainwashed into expecting complete and utter blandness from managers and want to hop over anything that hints at personality or character. What's even more bizarre are those who want total blandness and still consume all of that bland output.

I agree with CSF - if he's still in the job in the summer of 2016 and Villa are a Premiership club to go with it he'll have done well.

pavb2

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Also, the fans would also rather you lost 4 - 3 than win 1 - 0. I totally agree with you - a near impossible club to succeed at long term.

Well said. Football fans seem to have been totally brainwashed into expecting complete and utter blandness from managers and want to hop over anything that hints at personality or character. What's even more bizarre are those who want total blandness and still consume all of that bland output.

I agree with CSF - if he's still in the job in the summer of 2017 and Villa are a Premiership club to go with it he'll have done well.

If he's still in a job in the summer of 2015 and Villa are still a Premiership club he'll have done well

LuckyLloyd

pavb2 wrote: »

If he's still in a job in the summer of 2016 and Villa are still a Premiership club he'll have done well

Sorry yeah, that's what I meant.

CSF

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'd like to note that so far in this thread I've seen Sherwood compared to Andre Villas Boas, who can boast a domestic league title and a Europa League success on his CV, I've seen comparisons to Mauricio Pochettino who has proven himself as one of the shrewdest managers about in quite a short career thus far, here's a comparison to Jose Mourinho who is, arguably, the greatest manager in modern football, all of these comparisons for a guy whose been in charge of a team for 5 months, who failed to impress anyone in that time in what his team produced on the pitch and whose claim to fame are his cringe post match interviewers and his close relationship with his gilet.

As I said earlier, it's the equivalent of saying that Avram Grant is one of the world's great coaches based on his win percentage at Chelsea, if you read stats without applying context you end up with a skewed perception.

I found his Spurs team devoid of ideas or purpose, I thought he brought only negativity with him with his antics, I can't actually pinpoint any real positives behind hiring him other than a potential boost in immediate results that always seem to come with the hiring of a new manager, once that wears off I feel very confident in saying that Villa has a managerial dud on their hands.

Your arguments are as bizarre as ever. Comparisons with VillasBoas and Pocchetino were made because they were the managers before and after him, as an indicator that his points percentage is better than both of theirs.

Y'know like facts, instead of your ramblings?

efb

CSF wrote: »

How come?

Lacking experience

COYVB

efb wrote: »

Lacking experience

Experience isn't everything. Pep Guardiola did alright without it