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Limerick school apologises for Charlie Hebdo

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A school has apologised to a Muslim pupil who took offence when a copy of the controversial French magazine 'Charlie Hebdo' was produced during a class.

The mother of the 11-year-old boy, who is in fifth class, has said that she was outraged after learning about the incident at Limerick School Project on O'Connell Avenue in Limerick city.

The magazine was produced by a student during a discussion on the French Revolution and freedom of speech.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/school-apologises-to-muslim-pupil-over-charlie-hebdo-in-class-30968831.html

Je suis Charlie indeed. Can someone tell me where I can purchase one of these "offence" cards? They sound like a great way of bullying the public into doing what I say.

What are your opinions on the actions of the school? Do you think they were right or wrong in their actions.

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yipeeeee

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You're right. We need to encourage segregation so that we can continue to complain they arent doing enough to integrate. They just need to integrate themselves over there, away from us.

They don't really put much effort into segregating as it is.

Skylinehead

kneemos wrote: »

Worst "what if"ever.

Is it? A lot of Charlie Hebdos content is bordering on pornographic. Stupid thing to bring into school, disregarding the Muslim offending side of things.

_Brian

Cabaal wrote: »

The magazine went after every major religion, Muslim, Catholics, Jewish etc. They are all fair game.

A religious belief is only an idea and no idea deserves special protection or rights,

assigning special protection and exemptions to religious ideas is what causes the likes of Catholic ethos schools in Ireland to basically have the right to sack teachers for being gay or lesbian people as they (the schools) are exempt from certain parts of legislation .... Cause it goes against their Catholic ethos

Equally though the defense that "we insult everybody equally" is a bit thin. They're still insulting people, just because their insulting lots of people changes nothing.

anncoates

Skylinehead wrote: »

Is it? A lot of Charlie Hebdos content is bordering on pornographic. Stupid thing to bring into school, disregarding the Muslim offending side of things.

Yeah but what's the use of having kids if you can't use them to get into a ideological fart-smelling competition with other right-on parents?

Gatling

Skylinehead wrote: »

Is it? A lot of Charlie Hebdos content is bordering on pornographic. Stupid thing to bring into school, disregarding the Muslim offending side of things.

Artistic merit hardly porn

Skylinehead

Gatling wrote: »

Artistic merit hardly porn

They're kids, and it's sexually explicit imagery. I'd love to see you try that with some of my teachers from back in the day, you wouldn't last long.

Persiancowboy

We seem to have to spend an increasing amount of time these days tip-toeing around "minority groups" in case anything we say or do causes them "offence". I for one am sick and tired of having to tolerate their intolerence....

OldNotWIse

Persiancowboy wrote: »

We seem to have to spend an increasing amount of time these days tip-toeing around "minority groups" in case anything we say or do causes them "offence". I for one am sick and tired of having to tolerate their intolerence....

I'm offended by their intolerance of offensiveness

RWCNT

_Brian wrote: »

Equally though the defense that "we insult everybody equally" is a bit thin. They're still insulting people, just because their insulting lots of people changes nothing.

It's complete bull**** is what it is but I believe that some people are short-sighted enough to truly believe it. Insulting everybody equally doesn't make a bit of difference until everybody is equal, which we are not. Making a joke at a vulnerable party's expense is not the same as making fun of those in a position of power or privilege.

Grayson

Skylinehead wrote: »

They're kids, and it's sexually explicit imagery. I'd love to see you try that with some of my teachers from back in the day, you wouldn't last long.

Or with a parent. Or with a girlfriend.

It's not port it's art

Gatling

Skylinehead wrote: »

They're kids, and it's sexually explicit imagery. I'd love to see you try that with some of my teachers from back in the day, you wouldn't last long.

I did back in 93 with a copy of playboy for art class .

Haveing purchased Charlie over the years ive personally never seen anything that was remotely pornographic .
Wasn't this about a muslin getting upset not porn

PopePalpatine

shruikan2553 wrote: »

niamhstokes wrote: »

educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

You're right. We need to encourage segregation so that we can continue to complain they arent doing enough to integrate. They just need to integrate themselves over there, away from us.

And dem evul seculrists can fuck off to the back of the bus! /s

Ireland is changing, it's no longer your and Dev's dream of a holy, Gaelic, Catholic nation.

Kev_2012

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I left the horse outside, horse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oOvW6RXgjI

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What makes you think Limerick is any different from anywhere else in Ireland? I didn't grow up in Limerick, but I know the place inside out, they don't joke any different to anywhere else in Ireland, you might think you can slag about anything, but that's just among you and your friends. The fact is that you and your friends don't have the place to yourselves any more, and you certainly don't by your own standards get to dictate what goes on in a school environment be it in Limerick, Dublin, Galway or anywhere else. This seems to offend you greatly, which by your own standards means you will have to be packing your suitcases.

Well considering the fact that having lived in Limerick for 24 years in total, I think I know quite well what the limits are. Not just amongst me and my friends, but also strangers who I'd get a laugh with and any of my friends that came here from other countries, regardless of race/religion or any other minority defining property always welcome the slagging and are well able to be up for the craic and know that we aren't trying to insult anyone, just having a laugh.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Nowadays you wouldn't be kicked out of school, and your absence of belief would be respected. Times change maaaan.

Well I wasn't kicked out, I was threatened. I don't think the religious connection to schools has disappeared in the last 10 years maaaaan..

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You understand that the parents sent their child to a multi-denominational school because they were under the impression that their religion would be respected, that all religions and none are respected? That's why they didn't send their child to a Catholic ethos school.

So what about the people who sent their children to the school where freedom of speech is supposedly respected? I'd be confident that those parents would be quite annoyed that this is setting the precedent that the other kids need to tip toe their way around certain aspects of life. Why should they be effectively told to shut up because 1 pupil took offence to a f*cking drawing. Remember, people were murdered in cold blood because of that. This is 2015, not the middle ages.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The Canadian First Indians have never sworn allegiance to the Queen of England, and I'll bet you won't find too many English speakers in the French Quarter either! You'll find the Irish "diaspora" and British ex-pats in every country though, and they make no attempt to integrate into the countries in which they're located. In fact, the British have quite a reputation for their attempts to invade other countries and turn them into Little Britain. It's one of the reasons why Canada is still a British Commonwealth country.

(someone wasn't paying attention in history class either!)

"Oh really? I didn't know that", I would've said that if I was still 4 years old. I know. I lived there you see and I learn things about the world and the countries I visit/live. For once you are right, the brits/irish did do that, but you know what? That has nothing to do with the fact that I moved there, whilst Canada is at peace from a civil perspective and I tried my best to do as they do. So, in short, your point is pointless.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Seems you've yet to master that social skill, but I assume you're not intellectually disabled, just ignorant.

I'm ignorant because I have an opinion on the matter and because it would affect me directly? Should I just shut my mouth and say nothing if something I've been used to all the time suddenly changes because certain immigrants don't want to integrate into our society? What do you want to happen? Ethnically separated areas? That'll be worse, take a look at the UK pal. Multiculturalism is fine, but only if it means you integrate into the society that has given you the opportunity to become a part of it.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Ohh the irony. If we were still expected to "live as we do", you'd have been taken out in the hallway and given a few belts of a hurley to keep you in line for your refusal to participate in religion classes. Thankfully we don't do that any more either.

How is it ironic? I'm talking about not taking offence to a drawing and having the craic, not getting lashed because of religion. Stop going on about insane edge cases.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I was more of a Monty Python man myself, y'know, clever satire as opposed to just flinging horse shìt in people's eyes while languishing under the arrogant veil of ignorance that there would be no retaliation.

Am, you do know the Life of Brian was banned from Ireland don't you? How is that clever satire in terms of the period that was released and trying to push it on the extremely conservative Catholic majority Irish market where you couldn't even buy johnnys or have a child before marriage? I'm sure Irish people living in England shut their mouths because it was an English movie and they lived in England. Charlie Hebdo is a FRENCH publication. They didn't exactly release the f*cking thing in Tehran, Mecca, Istanbul or Islamabad.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I have no time for political correctness. I also have no time for people who think they have a right to behave like ignorant douchebags. This isn't about political correctness or freedom of speech or any of the rest of that nonsense, it's about a teacher in a multi-denominational school, lacking even the slightest bit of cop-on to realise that the cartoons were going to be offensive to some of the children, in a multi-denominational school which claims to respect all faiths and none.

Oh here comes the real irony. You clearly are after political correctness if you are saying we need to tiptoe around certain topics. What if they were in history class and they spoke of WW1 and 2 and also Ireland under British rule and there happened to be an English or German child in the class? Would they have to right to complain because they feel singled out? What if they were in a sex ed class and the child was a devout catholic? What if they were in cooking class and a jewish child attended the pork chop cooking class? There's an infinite amount of things that could offend anyone, it's impossible to get around them all without having a totally PC society. My point is, if they come to a place where their standards are not the norm, then tough ****. Get over it and integrate or don't take offence. Otherwise f*ck off.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You could apply that same logic to Ireland when you were in school and we were a majority Roman Catholic society, you didn't try to integrate then, did you? Aren't you lucky you don't live in a country where apostasy is punishable by death? If anyone needs to get a grip here, I'd suggest you hold tight on that forelock and hang on for dear life, because Limerick isn't just your city any more.

Yeah I didn't, but the thing is, apostasy isn't punishable by death here. It's a different case. If they are practicing muslims and aren't known as apostates, and don't want to be part of our culture without compromising it, then go to a country that is willing to be PC. Try Canada, they are fairly PC. I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter whenever the topic arises because if you don't like our ways, then tough sh!t.

wendell borton

The education system here really is a crossroads, up until now the standard of education was quite equal regardless social class etc. thanks to catholic/COI NS model.
But it looks like there's going to be a complete fragmentation into ED, VEC, religious ethos etc. schools, with the inevitable result we end up like the UK.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Vomit wrote: »

From 2009:

You think they were wrong to fire him and for him to face trial? All bigotry is disgusting.

Of course they were wrong to fire him, it's a satirical publication. If there's to be true freedom of expression then there can be no sacred cows. Everybody and everything is fair game.

RWCNT

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Everybody and everything is fair game.

Fair enough but that's just a stupid excuse from people who want a licence to be as be as offensive or damaging as they want.

reprise

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Ireland is changing, it's no longer your and Dev's dream of a holy, Gaelic, Catholic nation.

I can even remember my parents saying things like this.

You're really not the free thinking revolutionary radical you think you are. If anything, you are just as shackled and given the vacuity of political correctness, no more original.

yipeeeee

If you are not Muslim you don't have to abide by their rules or their beliefs, and you have to right to have an opinion on Islam even if it's a bad one.

RWCNT

get_happy wrote: »

the old heirarchy of victimhood

one of the key tenants of political correctness

What's your point?

Timmyctc

The best thing that ever happened to public opinion of Charlie hebdo was the shooting at their offices.

Boring username

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Haha!! I thought this might have been a thread about who gave an 11year old a copy of Charlie Hebdo and what their intentions were for doing it, but, silly me, it's another big bad Muslim thread. Hilarious.

Did you read the link? They were having a discussion about the French revolution and freedom of speech.

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I think Charlie Hebdo are scum, to be perfectly frank. They didn't produce the magazine the week after their colleagues were murdered as some sort of tribute to their colleagues, they did it to cash in. Normally they'd sell 60,000 copies, that week they ordered 3 million to be printed and ended up selling 5 million, nice little cash cow there. Then came the global aftermath of slaughter and rioting by Muslim fanatics in other parts of the world as a result.

Charlie Hebdo is a hateful, low brow rag that caters for bigots and racists, nothing more, so it'll be great when the love fest for them ends. With freedom of speech comes responsibility and people shouldn't support the sh*te that magazine spouts.

Nice bit of victim blaming there. Sure the cartoonists forced the gunmen to murder them, didn't they? :rolleyes:

Have you told the 1.5 millions marchers in Paris, as well as major world leaders, that they are bigots and racists for supporting Charlie Hedbo?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30767929

RobYourBuilder

Precious flower wrote: »

I don't like the magazine. I just feel like their drawings are crude and deliberately inflammatory, something a 16 year old boy would draw because he thought it was just hilarious. Saying that, I don't believe the school should have had to apologise either. But I really don't think that magazine should be held up as any symbol of free speech.The drawing was crude and severed no purpose but to be a shock and awe tactic to draw in like minded 16 year old men who find this stuff funny.

The magazine is not being held up as a bastion of speech. The fact that the publications employees were murdered in cold blood for exercising their right to freedom of speech and expression is.

evolving_doors

non story,
Student brings controversial magazine to school.
Teacher deals with situation as best they can.
One parent is outraged.

Has Bruce Springsteen vs. Croake Park residents started yet?

RobYourBuilder

Sittingpretty wrote: »

This. Agree completely.

I'm from Limerick and I know this school very well.

Am surprised they veered from their ethos.

You obviously don't. It's not a Catholic school. It's a secular school.

Pumpkinseeds

Boring username wrote: »

Did you read the link? They were having a discussion about the French revolution and freedom of speech.

Nice bit of victim blaming there. Sure the cartoonists forced the gunmen to murder them, didn't they? :rolleyes:

Have you told the 1.5 millions marchers in Paris, as well as major world leaders, that they are bigots and racists for supporting Charlie Hedbo?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30767929

And with this bullsh*t I won't even bother to read the rest of your post. Presumably you do actually know what went on during the French Revolution right? I mean you do know that it was a mass blood-letting and that some people made personal fortunes out of it right?

Boring username

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

And with this bullsh*t I won't even bother to read the rest of your post. Presumably you do actually know what went on during the French Revolution right? I mean you do know that it was a mass blood-letting and that some people made personal fortunes out of it right?

Lol. You're tying yourself in knots, pet. Bigots and racists, that's what you said. Too late to backtrack now. No matter what way you try to spin it.

Sittingpretty

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You obviously don't. It's not a Catholic school. It's a secular school.

I obviously don't what?

Agree?

Live in Limerick?

Know the school well?

seachto7

While I don't see the point of being provocative just because it's a freedom of speech thing, the school should not have apologised.

Saudi is wealthier than Ireland, and if they don't like it here, they could move there, where there'll be no Charlie Hebdo or stepping out of line...

Smiles35

The funny thing is, at the time in Ireland, and across the world. Discussing the French revolution was the bold thing.

COYVB

Charlie Hebdo is hardly a publication for 11 year olds...