NachoBusiness wrote: » Brand gives his transcendental tuppence.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Run1jpZvS4
Dan_Solo wrote: » Bollix. Find me a link where the Nazis specifically refer to wanting to eliminate Jews because of Judaism.
PopePalpatine wrote: » If you need blasphemy laws to defend your faith, you must be very scared of alternatives to it.
danrua01 wrote: » Fella, even people in this thread were calling Stephen Fry a Jew even though he's not religious. They weren't referring to his religion.
Emersyn Deep Destroyer wrote: » If we need laws against murder to defend the fact murder is wrong you must be very scared of the alternatives.
kunst nugget wrote: » That is quite the leap to make and they bear no similarity to each other at all. K4t used the disease analogy to describe how the influence of the Catholic Church could spread. He never implied that Catholics themselves were unsanitary and were the source of actual diseases like the Nazis did in relation to the Jews. You are really searching for a way to be personally offended there.
RobertKK wrote: » Should have used 'like a disease', not 'like any disease' which has a totally different meaning.
RobertKK wrote: » The Jewish race whose descendents came from Israel. You are trying to disassociate the religion from the race.
Donkey Oaty wrote: » As far as I'm concerned, Stephen Fry is not Jewish. He's a secular shamanic voodoo witch-doctor who uses his power of broadcasting to apply the needles of reason to the private parts of a metaphorical believer-doll.
Dan_Solo wrote: » He made us and he knows what we will do... and we still have free will? Nonsensical. Cleansing the earth of sinners would be like writing a computer program and then deleting it when it does exactly what you programmed it to do.
pueblo wrote: » You are making my point for me. It appears as nonsense to us because we don't have the ability to understand it. Dark matter appears to exist....yet we know very little about it, some of it may even seem 'nonsensical'..... is it? or is it just a case of gaps in our understanding??
Dan_Solo wrote: » Anyway off to the internet again and find me anywhere the Nazis said they hated Jews because of their religion. They were quite vocal about hating Jews. Should be easy to find.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Then we're back to the caveman religion, I can't understand it therefore god. When it is explained we all just move on to the next thing we don't understand and call that god? Why doesn't the bible explain dark matter to us if is beyond our possible understanding?
Dan_Solo wrote: » I'm Irish and I have no religion. Separating race and religion is obviously a ridiculously trivial thing to do. You mean antecedents I'd imagine? Anyway off to the internet again and find me anywhere the Nazis said they hated Jews because of their religion. They were quite vocal about hating Jews. Should be easy to find. What was the whole point of racial purity if it was religion that the Nazis hated could you tell us?
pueblo wrote: » Correct, we can't 'understand' it using logic and reason. We might be able to 'understand' it using the faculty of the spirit.
RobertKK wrote: » The religion was part of the racial hatred, otherwise no need to mention the word Jew.
Emersyn Deep Destroyer wrote: » A person and their beliefs are one in the same.
Emersyn Deep Destroyer wrote: » You posting is highly offensive to Catholics you know that, I don't even know why you are allowed post the bile you are spewing.
K4t wrote: » I do not hate my aunt and my love for her is not effected by my hate and utter loathing of the Catholic Church.
feargale wrote: » You have made a very valid, rational case that very many will agree with. The difference is that, unlike so many others you have done it without resorting to the usual bullying and baiting and snide ridiculing of people who genuinely believe otherwise, an activity that I'm sure you will have seen yourself on Boards particularly. But I suppose that is a natural reaction against the strictures of boarding school life by those who have just been released from it. One expects better from others who are old enough to know and behave better. Have you ever noticed how many of them speak reverently of their religious mothers whose beliefs they don't share, while mocking other mothers for professing the same beliefs? Of course not all A&A people are assoles. In fact one of them opened a thread about A&A intolerance in which he opined that Christians are more fun. As a non-believer I would go further and say that if my own experience is anything to go by Christians are as a whole, barring some exceptions, nicer people. Europe tore itself apart for centuries over such differences of opinion. Eastern Europe was only marginally better at dealing with them in the 20th century. And today's handling of the same in the Middle East is a disaster. A&A people have genuine concerns about their relationship with the Irish state, not least in the field of education. They are being articulated by spokespeople who have more cop than is being shown by some here, and they are being addressed however slowly. People of different religious and political views have to live together, despite the triumphalist predictions that religion will vanish. Too much A&A stuff is a replication of the worst aspects of Catholic triumphalism witnessed here in the past. If people want to devote their lives to A&A evangelising and proselytising that's their business. But would you trust tomorrow's world to some of the wannabe supremos around here? Many of them will grow out of their bigotry. Sadly, some won't and others are beyond seeing the light.
hinault wrote: » Many accept that God was the cause for the creation of what we call the Universe. And actually if you read the first few lines of the Book of Genesis, it records that God created light before he created Earth, the stars, the Sun and all the rest of the universe. Why does Genesis record that God created light first? Obviously whoever wrote Genesis was more than aware that in order to create anything you need energy/light. If a Scripture written centuries ago was able to identify the fundamental property, light, to create substances, that knowledge appears to predate by centuries our limited understanding of what is the cause of creation.
floggg wrote: » That's far from obvious, considering they lacked any idea of the nature of the sum or light energy. They didn't even realise what the universe was, or our place in it. I imagine it could have just as much to do with the idea that light represented goodness and darkness evil.
sbsquarepants wrote: » I think this version sounds a lot more plausible. Doesn't it mention that the sun was created on day 3 or something like that? What exactly made it day 3 if there was no sun? The in depth knowledge about the workings of the universe that you're trying to shoe horn in there don't hold much water I'm afraid!
floggg wrote: » I think you are really misunderstanding this discussion. We are having a hypothetical discussion about the nature of god IF he actually existed. IF he did exist though, then I would blame him because he has created a world which allows and encourages it.
Defender OF Faith wrote: » This argument only works if God is all good and all powerful, but your forgetting that he's also all wise and he's also all knowing, you have the pixel he have the picture, you have the puzzle piece he has the puzzle. You do not have his knowledge or Wisdom to understand why X or Y exist. Secondly from a theistic perspective we are created to have a relationship with God, there's not a single thorn that will prick you except that you will be expiated for your sins and elevated in terms of your rank in paradise, hardship and suffering in this life is not only temporary but will not go unrewarded in the next life, as this life is nothing but a mere test and trail. God gave mankind free will, the freedom to choose between right and wrong. What that mean is that inevitably it's the choice to do the Evil which is the Evil and not the fact that God created it. It's the choice of Man that's evil, but that does not mean God is happy with that decision nor pleased with it, but because God has given him the choice he had created and given that choice an external manifestation. That does not mean that there isn't a plan or wisdom to the fact that it occurred; we see that when a catastrophes occur what do people do? you see them flocking to centres where they can donate their wealth and time so that they can help the poor and weak. We don't have the knowledge or information about everything, calamities bring out the true nature of people it also bring the best of people. There is Good and Evil {including all of what they entail} in existence, but Good is the norm and Evil is the exception. Good Health is the standard and norm and illness is but a temporary situation. The stability of Earth is the norm but an earthquake is but an exception for a few minutes, after a while everything will return to normal, similarly wars are but short periods in history followed by long periods of peace. Hence Good is the rule and evil is the exception. To add that evil is not evil from both sides, for every evil there's a good side that accompanies it. A Volcano eruption brings much Evil but at the same there's a Good that will follow which we cannot ignore here's but a few: The same can be said about earthquake and the goodness which follows after the destruction caused, which you can read about to avoid extending this post. Illness will create resistance and make us value health, and from poison antidote is made, and while on on one side War brought horrible destruction a good side follows as will, for example all the efforts to unite the world were brought about after periods of wars. The united nations security council, NATO and the league of Nations, so from the struggle of war these attempts were made so humanity as a family might come together to prevent such tragedies. To include that many inventions that advanced humanity were made during the time of war such as the mass production of penicillin by the US during the Invasion of Normandy, depth Charges,hydrophones, air traffic control,air craft carriers pilot less drones. The list is very long just search about technological advancement made during war. Billions were invested to make weapons but forcefully and unwillingly advancement were made in both fields of destruction and Good. Evil is not evil from all its faces, it's evil from one side and Good from one, I think its even safe to say that they complement each other Good can exist on its own in a pure form but never Evil. Hardship and struggle will also strengthen people, their wills will increase, their wisdom and understanding; as they say what ever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. As the Arabian poet Al Mutanabbi have said:"Without hardship everyone would prevail, The generous are poor, and courage kills its own.” The poet meant that without hardship & evil everyone will be a leader and the two leading qualities found in leaders that will bring about struggle and hardship is generousness which lead to loss of wealth and courage which might lead to death in wars. To say that the world if full of evil,misery,suffering and struggle is a very naive and incomplete poor outlook on the realities of life and the world around us; what's even more naive is for an atheist to blame it all on a God which he does not even believe in.
Mesrine65 wrote: » Religion a curse upon humanity..."Christianity, like most religions, was set up to disempower people & control them. It was set up as a political vehicle. Sell people on their unworthiness & guilt and you can control them." John Kaminski, Devils From Heaven
kunst nugget wrote: » No, it doesn't.
Dan_Solo wrote: » http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/responses.htm It's bad reading, but easily understandable. Hitler himself said he had no interest in Judaism, it was the Jewish race he despised.
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