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[Deleted User] wrote: »

You talking about the insignia?

I'm guessing he is! Nice 2.2 unmarked in dmr

Yes I was talking about the insignia. Tinted windows at the back. The only reason I spotted it was because 2 Garda jumped out of it and you can see, if you look hard enough leds in the grille..

bigbean

Maybe the fiats will be for sences of crime or something of the sort ? I wonder how the 20 insignias will be divided out throughout the country ?

Also great to see more i40s purchased than i30s !

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Should be funny to see how these are getting on because it's a 1.3 with horrific driving that's excluding a cage in the back the gards have purchased 12 of them and 12 ducatos

jesus that's not a very nice looking van IMO. 1.3 petrol i assume?

i do like the ducato's. there a real big, impressive looking van.. not sure about the suitability of the though...

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=garda+new+fiat&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejournal.ie%2F370-new-garda-vehicles-1884180-Jan2015%2F&ei=32W4VIGcD6bC7gbBtoDQDw&bvm=bv.83829542,d.ZGU&psig=AFQjCNEYwbtaQStAkId6WeiOjNIX1OuM2w&ust=1421457187603375

370 new cars.. i see them nicely parked in the background there.

bigbean wrote: »

Maybe the fiats will be for sences of crime or something of the sort ? I wonder how the 20 insignias will be divided out throughout the country ?

Also great to see more i40s purchased than i30s !

Csi are getting a lot them vans cork city got one.

Old diesel

Are the Insignias definitely the 195 ps????

Old diesel wrote: »

Are the Insignias definitely the 195 ps????

Yes the sport version

Larbre34

0-100 in 8.8 secs and a top whack of 230. Better, but it still wont keep up with a stolen M-beemer or S/RS Audi.

Markcheese

carzony wrote: »

jesus that's not a very nice looking van IMO. 1.3 petrol i assume?

i do like the ducato's. there a real big, impressive looking van.. not sure about the suitability of the though...

Doubt it - 1.3 multijet diesel - supposed to be nice enough to drive - surprised they didn't get the 1.9 though-

Old diesel

Larbre34 wrote: »

0-100 in 8.8 secs and a top whack of 230. Better, but it still wont keep up with a stolen M-beemer or S/RS Audi.

Fair point BUT

Some positives

They actually specifically purchased cars specifically for traffic - and actually specifically speccing up the 195 ps model is a definite step in the right direction.

Its still going to be a much more capable car then a 1.6 i30.

So overall it all looks very positive unless theres some issue with the Insignias capability im not aware

Yes there might have been some interesting options if they had gone Skoda - Superb 1.8 tsi and 2.0 tdi 170 are apparently quoted as having a quicker 0 to 60 then the Insignia.

And theres the Vrs Octavias as well.

but its still good news that 195 ps Insignias were bought imo

Great pictures EireGun, I am just wondering why AGS feel they need to test a BMW X5, when RSU in Anglesea Street already have one?

Avada

kub wrote: »

Great pictures EireGun, I am just wondering why AGS feel they need to test a BMW X5, when RSU in Anglesea Street already have one?

Different models and the test one may be police spec, the one used by RSU was confiscated by CAB

Why is that I just can't ever see AGS buying BMW ' S.

Markcheese

Random_Name wrote: »

Different models and the test one may be police spec, the one used by RSU was confiscated by CAB

Isn't the cork one bullet proof or armoured or something, I'd bet that'd change how it drives , isn't it getting on a bit too ?

[Deleted User]

kub wrote: »

Why is that I just can't ever see AGS buying BMW ' S.

Because they already have?

EireGun

kub wrote: »

Great pictures EireGun, I am just wondering why AGS feel they need to test a BMW X5, when RSU in Anglesea Street already have one?

The RSU fleet of 30 Volvo XC70 vehicles, which were purchased in 2008 and 2009, needs to be replaced. I'm not sure what the RSU is down to now, but of those original 30 vehicles bought, a number have been crashed and written off. Most have been replaced in some shape or form. The armor-plated BMW X5 in Cork is a 2005 model, and it must have enormous milage on it now. It was used by Limerick criminals before being confiscated by CAB (along with other armoured BMWs), and then handed over to the Special Detective Unit. It was used by the Emergency Response Unit for a few years, before being marked-up and shipped back down to Cork where it replaced a written off Volvo, and has remained there in service with Cork City RSU for 2 or 3 years now.

The Gardaí have recently purchased 4 USED 2012 Volvo V70 T5 for the RSU units to replace some obsolete XC70's. The used Vovlo V70s are former Thames Valley Police Armed Response Unit vehicles (aru/ARV), which were replaced after 100,000 miles. Thames Valley ARV have now a new fleet of BMW 5 Series, Touring and X5's. It's safe to say in the UK or other EU police forces, the RSU vehicles - a lot of which are over 300,000km now - would have been replaced a few years ago with similar or better modified police vehicles, which would by now probably have been replaced again. Thames Valley ARVs bought in 2012 were replaced by the end of 2014 - that's just 2 years - while Garda RSU vehicles bought in 2008 still haven't been replaced in 2015, 7 years later.

The entire Garda RSU fleet needs to be upgraded. All their vehicles are at least 6 or 7 years old. BMW 5 Series/Touring or similar Volvos would probably be best suited as replacements. The BMW X5 would also be a good option. The RSU drivers are, however, used to driving Volvos. The increasing importance of the RSU role nationwide, who are now armed 24/7, with at least 24 members in each of the 5 regions outside of Dublin (120+ in all) should surely be recognised by Garda management and the Government and keep them well equipped and up-to-date. As far as I know, €30 million was spent on equipment/vehicles for the RSU when it was founded. Even half that figure now would go a long way to replacing the RSU fleet, with purchasing a bulk order of special police BMWs or Volvos. High-powered police spec cars are needed for this role, no ordinary vehicles can carry out this task.

The Traffic Corps are getting a new fleet of vehicles this January. €10 Million is being spent on new Garda vehicles, many of them going to Traffic.

265 liveried cars (marked-up) are being bought, comprising; 160 Hyundai i40 Estates, 85 Hyundai i30 Estates and 20 Opel Insignia Sports Tourer-Traffic.
As well as this; 80 unmarked cars including; 50 Hyundai i40 Saloons and 30 Ford Focus Saloons. Another 25 unmarked vans (Ford Transit, I think) have also been bought. Not all for the Traffic Corps, though.

Its unlikely we will see the Traffic Corps getting marked BMWs, such as the X5 being trialed currently, although there remain a couple of unmarked BMW 3 Series Traffic Corps vehicles. They could do with a few more unmarked BMWs in and around Dublin (and outside) for high-powered motorway pursuits.

The Special Detective Unit and ERU will probably receive new BMW vehicles this year, possibly X5s, but at that - a handful. They will be used for rapid armed response and transport for VIPs/protectees. There are currently a number of BMW models within the Special Branch for various roles, including 3 series, 5 series, 5 series touring and X5s. There are a few 7 series (armoured) for international visiting dignitaries.

The ERU still use unmarked Toyota Land Cruisers dating back to 2006 - that's 9 years. They will have to be replaced soon. Other specialist units received '06 and '07 Land Cruisers at the same time, although these will remain in use with some units, who don't have as much emphasis on high-powered, fast, reliable, well maintained vehicles as the ERU does. The X5 may fit this role. There was up to 9 Land Cruisers in use with the ERU; black, silver and maroon. There isn't as many with them now. Newish X5s, Audi Q7, Isuzu D-Max, Land Rover Discovery 4 and Land Rover Range Rover vehicles are all in use with them as unmarked SUVs. There is a couple of newish 5 Series Tourings being used by the ERU.

Old diesel

Well at least BMW is still in the frame for some aspect of the Garda fleet.

The thing im struggling with though - is i30s - are they for traffic too - I realise they've bought the Insignias obviously.

But are the i30s that are coming going for some of traffic corps requirements as well......

But thinking about it a bit more - you've got i30s and i40s for traffic (im assuming by the above "new traffic corps fleet" comments the unmarked i40s are for traffic - i30s are on traffic already).

Is there any practical reason why you couldn't use a Golf 2.0 tdi 150 ps for traffic if your using i30s (same size of car) or does the 150 ps in a Golf take you into some higher level of driver training category.

I know that if VAG don't tender they can't be bought - but other then that???? size is an issue - BUT some of the unmarked in this order are FOCUS saloons (same class of car)

EireGun

Old diesel wrote: »

Well at least BMW is still in the frame for some aspect of the Garda fleet.

The thing im struggling with though - is i30s - are they for traffic too - I realise they've bought the Insignias obviously.

But are the i30s that are coming going for some of traffic corps requirements as well......

But thinking about it a bit more - you've got i30s and i40s for traffic (im assuming by the above "new traffic corps fleet" comments the unmarked i40s are for traffic - i30s are on traffic already).

Is there any practical reason why you couldn't use a Golf 2.0 tdi 150 ps for traffic if your using i30s (same size of car) or does the 150 ps in a Golf take you into some higher level of driver training category.

I know that if VAG don't tender they can't be bought - but other then that???? size is an issue - BUT some of the unmarked in this order are FOCUS saloons (same class of car)

To be honest, I'm not clear in the break-down of which vehicles is going to Traffic. I'd imagine the majority of the 165 marked Hyundai i40 Estates - the more powerful - are going to Traffic, and all the 20 marked Opel Insignia Sports Tourer-Traffic as well. The 85 Hyundai i30 Estates are probably being marked for ordinary duties. As for the unmarked cars, the 50 Hyundai i40 Saloons and 30 Ford Focus Saloons are likely going to Traffic, maybe some for regional/district detectives.

One thing for sure is that the Traffic Corps has never been as ill-equipped as the state its in now, this will help somewhat. New bikes are badly needed, new SUVs are needed. The remaining Toyota Land Cruisers are 9 years old.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they already have?

Sorry I meant as a normal marked patrol/ traffic car.

I wonder is this new allocation to traffic corp a political decision as a reflection of the increase in road fatalities?

ratracer

The last few posts have given a very interesting (if damning) report of the state of AGS fleet both current and coming. I think it a terrible decision to let the bike fleet dwindle so much also.

Fire service fleet replacement seems minimal at the moment, and although they don't have huge mileage, the fleet is getting quite old, at least in my county/province. Some second turn out appliances are up to 25 years old at this stage.Without a proper replacement scheme we are in a slide back to the dark ages!

NAS seem to have a relatively new fleet ATM, but those vehicles must do massive mileage also. At least manager have nice cars tho!!

I'm not sure what my point is exactly, but I suppose it irritates me that senior management in all three primary emergency services seem incapable or unwilling to stick their heads above the parapet and bat for the grunts, instead it's all about number crunching across the board, and self preservation/ promotion too!!

Mister Jingles

Is there any if the older marked mondeos left at all ?

Ratracer, you have given me an idea, why don't the emergency services vehicle procurement come together and approach someone like Mercedes or VAG, with batch tenders for Garda, Ambulance and Fire vehicles?

That would surely be a nice bulk order that would look like an attractive prize to a vehicle manufacturer.

EireGun

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Is there any if the older marked mondeos left at all ?

I still see them knocking about? Especially '07 unmarked Mondeos.

Capri

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-get-first-370-cars-of-10m-fleet-30912272.html

The first 370 cars promised as part of the new Garda fleet will go to the force's Traffic Corps

They were officially unveiled yesterday by the Taoiseach at Garda headquarters in Phoenix Park and are funded from a €10m package announced on Budget Day.

The funding has been used to buy 265 liveried cars, comprising 85 Hyundai i30 estates, 160 Hyundai i40 estates and 20 Opel Insignia Sports Tourer-Traffic.

The force has also bought 80 unmarked cars including 30 Ford Focus saloons and 50 Hyundai i40 saloons. Another 25 unmarked vans have also been bought
.......

ratracer

kub wrote: »

Ratracer, you have given me an idea, why don't the emergency services vehicle procurement come together and approach someone like Mercedes or VAG, with batch tenders for Garda, Ambulance and Fire vehicles?

That would surely be a nice bulk order that would look like an attractive prize to a vehicle manufacturer.

It would make sense, but one Garda Comissioner and her minions, 20 odd chief fire officers and their 'support teams' plus however the management structure of NAS works - that sounds like a lot of huffing and puffing just to see who outranks who, I wouldnt hold out much hope for a joined up approach to vehicle procurement!

Mister Jingles

EireGun wrote: »

I still see them knocking about? Especially '07 unmarked Mondeos.

Yeah I still see plenty of unmarked but it's been months since I've seen a marked one.

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Yeah I still see plenty of unmarked but it's been months since I've seen a marked one.

Not many marked mondeos left. Lots of unmarked ones still about.

They must have bought thousands of those Mondeos so a good few of them will probably still be on the road for the next few years anyway.

Not sure when they first purchased the mondoes but I believe they were the best cars they ever bought?

flazio

How many of those Isuzu motorway scene management jeeps do TC have and how old are they now?