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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Kermit.de.frog

I think it is in May.

I won't because it does not affect me. If they get it passed fair play but I doubt i'm in a minority when I say I have little interest in it.

I think this apathy might be the biggest risk to the referendum and also the appeal of giving the government a harmless (in my view) kicking.

Anyone feel the same way about it? I just could not be bothered. I think it will be like the children's referendum. Very low turnout.

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david75

The complete apathy among young gays certainly in Dublin, is alarming. Not even apathy, but the majority of the ones i know if they are aware of it, dont give a flying fig about it, putting it mildly..'politics, bollux, dont wanna know' That to me is quite scary..ignorance is bliss..

weird that all the youth groups arent organising registration events to sign people up

Annasopra

Flem31 wrote: »

I agree with that...

It doesnt matter whether you agree or not this is fact.

Annasopra

david75 wrote: »

The complete apathy among young gays certainly in Dublin, is alarming. Not even apathy, but the majority of the ones i know if they are aware of it, dont give a flying fig about it, putting it mildly..'politics, bollux, dont wanna know' That to me is quite scary..ignorance is bliss..

weird that all the youth groups arent organising registration events to sign people up

USI and Belong To did massive voter registration drives.

david75

I meant at all the various club nights etc..there's no presence there at all..they should be engaging the organisers of those club nights..register to vote, get in for free...somethin like that

floggg

Flem31 wrote: »

What was the point of you posting......it's not as if we didn't already know what your opinion would be

Because I'm generally confused why you are trying to make a mountain out of flippant comment by a straight poster, which was clearly not meant to be taken literally or seriously.

Annasopra

david75 wrote: »

I meant at all the various club nights etc..there's no presence there at all..they should be engaging the organisers of those club nights..register to vote, get in for free...somethin like that

Club nights would not be a good place to engage potential voters at all.

alan partridge aha

It will be a lot closer than people think. Most people won't say publically they are against SSM. Privacy of a polling booth might be different perhaps.

david75

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Club nights would not be a good place to engage potential voters at all.

So where do you suggest the 10 or so thousand regular punters on dublins gay scene be engaged? most of whom are under 30

GalwayGuitar

alan partridge aha wrote: »

It will be a lot closer than people think. Most people won't say publically they are against SSM. Privacy of a polling booth might be different perhaps.

I expect it to be clear victory for the yes side, unless of course half of their lot don't turn out to vote! The grey vote might sway it for the no side but probably not.

ardle1

So apparently if we vote no, we are God lovers and holier than thou etc etc...
But yet marriage is basically a blessing from the church, and yet Yee all can't wait to get married!?
Would ye ever catch on to yourselves........

Pherekydes

ardle1 wrote: »

But yet marriage is basically a blessing from the church, and yet Yee all can't wait to get married!?

I wonder how many times this point has been addressed in this thread. Too many times.

No church blessed my marriage.

CJ Haughey

yes i will vote.

1123heavy

Vote NO. It is unnatural, immoral and downright vile. These people must be given no safe place in this noble country of ours, we must safeguard our future children from all forms of evil !!

StudentDad

ardle1 wrote: »

So apparently if we vote no, we are God lovers and holier than thou etc etc...
But yet marriage is basically a blessing from the church, and yet Yee all can't wait to get married!?
Would ye ever catch on to yourselves........

Okay I'll bite .... not entirely sure if you're being serious

You do know that in the context of this debate any religious definitions of marriage are highly irrelevant?

This referendum is to decide whether a group of Irish and/or EU citizens have the right to avail of marriage as defined by the Irish State. Not what any given religious grouping 'feels' marriage should be.

SD

david75

1123heavy wrote: »

Vote NO. It is unnatural, immoral and downright vile. These people must be given no safe place in this noble country of ours, we must safeguard our future children from all forms of evil !!

where were you when thousands of priests and nuns were about our children down the years?

shruikan2553

ardle1 wrote: »

So apparently if we vote no, we are God lovers and holier than thou etc etc...
But yet marriage is basically a blessing from the church, and yet Yee all can't wait to get married!?
Would ye ever catch on to yourselves........

Which church? There's quite a lot of them. Better google civil marriage while your at it.

Flem31

floggg wrote: »

Because I'm generally confused why you are trying to make a mountain out of flippant comment by a straight poster, which was clearly not meant to be taken literally or seriously.

As per you......a flippant comment not meant to be taken literally or seriously.......none of which was flagged when the original comment posted.

That is a sad attempt to put distance away from a lazy and inappropriate comment.

Awaiting the usual reply comment now from Yes posters......oh you don't say anything to the no side.
Response.....to base your actions by someone else's lax standards doesn't give you any credit either

1123heavy

david75 wrote: »

where were you when thousands of priests and nuns were about our children down the years?

That is irrelevant David, what makes you think I'm catholic ? Regardless of my religion, this country is on a one way trip to hell as no religion allows such levels of immorality. The place has gone mad and all this sin being sugar coated as "freedom" will be the cause of our destruction. It does not surprise me as we were warned it would happen a very long time ago, just one big shame that it's happening while I'm witness to it.

eviltwin

1123heavy wrote: »

Vote NO. It is unnatural, immoral and downright vile. These people must be given no safe place in this noble country of ours, we must safeguard our future children from all forms of evil !!

Are you for real? :rolleyes:

I can just about understand the "I'll vote No because gay sex is icky" argument but are there really people out there who still believe gay people are bad and need to be kept away from children

Where have you been living the past 20 years?

eviltwin

1123heavy wrote: »

That is irrelevant David, what makes you think I'm catholic ? Regardless of my reigion, this country is on a one way trip to hell as no religion allows such levels of immorality. The place has gone mad and all this sin being sugar coated as "freedom" will be the cause of our destruction. It does not surprise me as we were warned it would happen a very long time ago, just one big shame that it's happening while I'm witness to it.

You sure talk like one

shruikan2553

eviltwin wrote: »

Are you for real? :rolleyes:

I can just about understand the "I'll vote No because gay sex is icky" argument but are there really people out there who still believe gay people are bad and need to be kept away from children

Where have you been living the past 20 years?

Remember to be nice, anything you say might make people think the no side are poor unfortunate people who are being oppressed.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Unfortunately I will be in Colombia and won't get a chance to vote on this. I would most definitely be voting yes if I was in Ireland.

flunkyfearsome

1123heavy wrote: »

Vote NO. It is unnatural, immoral and downright vile. These people must be given no safe place in this noble country of ours, we must safeguard our future children from all forms of evil !!

Do you know what I think is vile ? the new Annie movie, I don't know why you think the love between 2 adults is vile personally I've veins made of ice, it's genuinely moves me when I see 2 people not afraid to show affection for one another, I've seen enough heterosexual couples absolutely hating one another, and some can't even bare to be in the same room as one another, I think peeps are obsessed with the Sex part !

bodice ripper

1123heavy wrote: »

Vote NO. It is unnatural, immoral and downright vile. These people must be given no safe place in this noble country of ours, we must safeguard our future children from all forms of evil !!

Please keep posting. I don't want the kinky "wrong" buzz to fade when I settle down with an Irish woman...

1123heavy

flunkyfearsome wrote: »

it's genuinely moves me when I see 2 people not afraid to show affection for one another,

I also admire it when I see two normal people in a loving marriage, it's a wonderful sight and a sign of God's gift of love to mankind that he can allow and has instilled within people the ability to express such feelings.

HOWEVER, there are limits in life, and homosexuality transgresses those limits like no other. It is unnatural, in just about everything in this life opposites are designed to attract, from humans to magnets. The fact that two people of the same sex are claiming to have "affection" for each other only says that they have been brainwashed as youth or have not been brought up properly and taught proper values. I am relatively young and while growing up we were regularly reminded how it was "OK" to be gay, we were shown films, had discussions and all the rest about being gay. So much so that it almost felt that we were being forced to come out as gay and it couldn't be possible that an entire class didn't have one gay person. I can perfectly understand some poor naive person in that environment forming doubts in their mind and beginning to get paranoid, asking themselves "is it possible that I'm gay ?", then when even the slightest mentioning of it is made to a counselor they are almost forced to say they're "gay" as doing otherwise will only lead everyone to believe they are gay but just don't want to tell. All this pressure can seriously mess with the mind of a poor young person and they can almost convince themselves they're gay when they're not.

The only solution to this nonsense is to stop the issue at it's source and to try and stop it being "accepted" in society, as quite frankly it's a load of nonsense. Those who have managed to convince themselves they're gay shall be made seek appropriate help to cure their illness that was forced upon them during their youth. Voting yes in this referendum will be another grave step in the wrong direction, the future of Ireland is in our hands, I do NOT want to mess it up !!!!

eviltwin

1123heavy wrote: »

I also admire it when I see two normal people in a loving marriage, it's a wonderful sight and a sign of God's gift of love to mankind that he can allow and has instilled within people the ability to express such feelings.

HOWEVER, there are limits in life, and homosexuality transgresses those limits like no other. It is unnatural, in just about everything in this life opposites are designed to attract, from humans to magnets. The fact that two people of the same sex are claiming to have "affection" for each other only says that they have been brainwashed as youth or have not been brought up properly and taught proper values. I am relatively young and while growing up we were regularly reminded how it was "OK" to be gay, we were shown films, had discussions and all the rest about being gay. So much so that it almost felt that we were being forced to come out as gay and it couldn't be possible that an entire class didn't have one gay person. I can perfectly understand some poor naive person in that environment forming doubts in their mind and beginning to get paranoid, asking themselves "is it possible that I'm gay ?", then when even the slightest mentioning of it is made to a counselor they are almost forced to say they're "gay" as doing otherwise will only lead everyone to believe they are gay but just don't want to tell. All this pressure can seriously mess with the mind of a poor young person and they can almost convince themselves they're gay when they're not.

The only solution to this nonsense is to stop the issue at it's source and to try and stop it being "accepted" in society, as quite frankly it's a load of nonsense. Those who have managed to convince themselves they're gay shall be made seek appropriate help to cure their illness that was forced upon them during their youth. Voting yes in this referendum will be another grave step in the wrong direction, the future of Ireland is in our hands, I do NOT want to mess it up !!!!

This horse**** is the best reason for a Yes vote ever. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with anyone who thinks even a fraction of this crap to be true.

Flem31

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It was a lazy comment, yeah. Mostly because any attempt to have an actual debate with the poster it was in response to gets absolutely nowhere. So I would say it was appropriate enough.

I don't get it. A couple of pages ago you wrote a well thought out and sensible post explaining your position, and now you're back to digging up every little fault of the yes campaign. Its almost as if you want to find fault with it.

Are you the reincarnation of Ian Paisley?

It was a lazy comment which has taken many hours for it to be acknowledged.
I don't care if you take pot shots at the no side.....just leave the rest of us out of it.

Not everyone not in the Yes camp in December 2014, is automatically a No voter, so pick your insults more carefully as you may need some of the ignorant base cretins(not your words, but another yes poster) to pass your referendum.

bodice ripper

1123heavy wrote: »

I also admire it when I see two normal people in a loving marriage, it's a wonderful sight and a sign of God's gift of love to mankind that he can allow and has instilled within people the ability to express such feelings.

HOWEVER, there are limits in life, and homosexuality transgresses those limits like no other. It is unnatural, in just about everything in this life opposites are designed to attract, from humans to magnets. The fact that two people of the same sex are claiming to have "affection" for each other only says that they have been brainwashed as youth or have not been brought up properly and taught proper values. I am relatively young and while growing up we were regularly reminded how it was "OK" to be gay, we were shown films, had discussions and all the rest about being gay. So much so that it almost felt that we were being forced to come out as gay and it couldn't be possible that an entire class didn't have one gay person. I can perfectly understand some poor naive person in that environment forming doubts in their mind and beginning to get paranoid, asking themselves "is it possible that I'm gay ?", then when even the slightest mentioning of it is made to a counselor they are almost forced to say they're "gay" as doing otherwise will only lead everyone to believe they are gay but just don't want to tell. All this pressure can seriously mess with the mind of a poor young person and they can almost convince themselves they're gay when they're not.

The only solution to this nonsense is to stop the issue at it's source and to try and stop it being "accepted" in society, as quite frankly it's a load of nonsense. Those who have managed to convince themselves they're gay shall be made seek appropriate help to cure their illness that was forced upon them during their youth. Voting yes in this referendum will be another grave step in the wrong direction, the future of Ireland is in our hands, I do NOT want to mess it up !!!!

Funny, i am certain I was lured by pussy, rather than propaganda. Surely you can't want to ban pussy? I would be against such a ban.

1123heavy

eviltwin wrote: »

This horse**** is the best reason for a Yes vote ever. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with anyone who thinks even a fraction of this crap to be true.

Don't know how old you are, but you've shown your ignorance in thinking it's nonsense. You are clearly naive or simply asleep if you are not aware of the reality within Irish schools today. It is happening whether you like it or not !

Soups123

1123heavy wrote: »

I also admire it when I see two normal people in a loving marriage, it's a wonderful sight and a sign of God's gift of love to mankind that he can allow and has instilled within people the ability to express such feelings.

HOWEVER, there are limits in life, and homosexuality transgresses those limits like no other. It is unnatural, in just about everything in this life opposites are designed to attract, from humans to magnets. The fact that two people of the same sex are claiming to have "affection" for each other only says that they have been brainwashed as youth or have not been brought up properly and taught proper values. I am relatively young and while growing up we were regularly reminded how it was "OK" to be gay, we were shown films, had discussions and all the rest about being gay. So much so that it almost felt that we were being forced to come out as gay and it couldn't be possible that an entire class didn't have one gay person. I can perfectly understand some poor naive person in that environment forming doubts in their mind and beginning to get paranoid, asking themselves "is it possible that I'm gay ?", then when even the slightest mentioning of it is made to a counselor they are almost forced to say they're "gay" as doing otherwise will only lead everyone to believe they are gay but just don't want to tell. All this pressure can seriously mess with the mind of a poor young person and they can almost convince themselves they're gay when they're not.

The only solution to this nonsense is to stop the issue at it's source and to try and stop it being "accepted" in society, as quite frankly it's a load of nonsense. Those who have managed to convince themselves they're gay shall be made seek appropriate help to cure their illness that was forced upon them during their youth. Voting yes in this referendum will be another grave step in the wrong direction, the future of Ireland is in our hands, I do NOT want to mess it up !!!!

So are you voting yes or no?