efb wrote: » Saying I find Olivier Giroud attractive? I would not consider guys expressing an interest in ladies to be laddish, unless there is a use of derogatory words and references to forcing themselves on them.
Turtyturd wrote: » Fairly sure it's stronger than expressing an interest...I can think of posters who have blocked you due to pictures you have posted. Even your sig would be fairly indicative of lad culture.
efb wrote: » No its describing a behaviour trait, where is a wide enough correlation to justify it.
The NUS defines lad culture as a group or “pack” mentality expressed in activities such as sport and heavy alcohol consumption, and in “banter” which is “often sexist, misogynist, and homophobic”.
tritium wrote: » Eh, No! Lad culture has basically been taken as a hugely broad hodge-podge of behaviours. Some not very nice or good, others just annoying which casts as wide a net as possible across young men. Essentially its a one size fits all tag for young men that then justifies the sort of 'consent classes' stuff that some UK colleges are now rolling out. Lets take some examples of what I mean from the links helpfully provided in the report you linked to. From a linked Guardian report by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett: given the author you quoted choose to link to this piece I think we can infer she at least doesn't violently disagree with the definition so: Heavy alcohol consumption - yeah I think we can safely say that brush captures a fairly large block of young males. Problematically it actually captures a large block of young people. You know, both X and Y chromosome types. What to so about that, I guess they just ignored it..... sport: Well yes again many young men play spoprt, Some may even play competitively. Oddly enough I haven't in the past seen too much criticism for the idea of people taking up sporting activities - heck, I've even seen it encouraged. Guess what? They even encourage women to do so! I know! mad Ted! Pack mentality: Yep, most young people (both sexes) hang out with groups of friends and peers. Sometimes it can I'll admit be intimidating (regardless of gender on occasion believe it or not). However I'm pretty sure this isn't a new thing..... “banter” which is “often sexist, misogynist, and homophobic”.: Well banter is basically talking. I think we have to let them do that to be fair. The three 'ists' are certainly unwelcome though. Having lived long enough to have sat in the company of groups of men and women I'd be pretty slow to say that 2 of those 3 are the preserve of young men though (misogyny sure, but I can swap plenty of misandry stories). TLDR: Young people usually have some growing up to do. Pretending that young boys are some special case of this is nonsense. Now that's not to say if there are issues with sexual crime on campuses for example that something shouldn't be done. Demonising 50% of the population however seems like a pretty poor solution. Unless of course your departments continued existence might depend on finding a few reds men under the bed. And this part of the reason is why so many men are starting to get defensive, Because when you start looking critically at this sweeping brush being applied its actually being applied dishonestly, And the groups applying it know its dishonest - they have since the days of Mary Kroos. The sad thing is that dishonesty creates a negativity and hostility that makes it harder to address any real issue.
efb wrote: » How are you aware of this? Do you meet and discuss who you have blocked and why? What part of sig, being the patron saint of oral?
Turtyturd wrote: » And the going deep double entendre.
TheZohan wrote: » Might I suggest a glass of water. See you in your next reincarnation.
TheBeardedLady wrote: » Because I don't like you.
efb wrote: » Do you think what the rugby club posted was lad behaviour? Was it acceptable?
tritium wrote: » acceptable -no An example of the desperate misogyny inherent in a flawed lad culture -no! An example of the elitist snobbery of a small group of asshats who look down their noses at anyone who isn't one of them -Bingo!! Its kind of tragic how in the rush to focus on how sexist and misogynistic this group are everyone ignored the snobbery ("scum-they'll work for us"), misandry ("pose in a neon wife beater") and xenophobia (pissing on a croatian national monument) . An that's only in the bit that was released - I'll assume that the rest may have insulted many other groups but it didn't suit the tight focus of the message to highlight it. In summary, given the number of groups they've specialised in insulting, I doubt you could pull anything but a fairly narrow demographic into their world. Certainly not the broad brush that NUS applied to describe lad culture in their definition. If I can dig up a suitably similar document written by a small group of women should I take that as an example of the inherent moral destitution of all or most women who share any remotely similar characteristic, for example age bracket?
efb wrote: » I don't believe the majority of men are part of this "lad culture"- but I don't like how its being championed atm
Sound of Silence wrote: » Welcome to 2014, where being perpetually offended is the new cultural capital! Have you checked your privilege?
tritium wrote: » The definition of what the NUS finds as unacceptable Laddish behaviour applies equally broadly to young women
RDM_83 again wrote: » Is it actually being championed though? any more than the early 2000's shows like Jackass "championed" getting kicked in the nuts? I see a that there is a lot of car crash TV in terms of the Shores etc but on the flip side I've had to sit through a couple of episodes of Made in Chelsea and all the guys in that seem to do is talk about their emotions. I'd wonder if this has a negative effect in terms of normalising this behaviour but then again I am a horrible authoritarian ( not the good sort of authoritarian that only wants to ban people from having views that offend me :pac: )
efb wrote: » A lot of ads seem to champion it Ladbrokes etc
anncoates wrote: » That's strange because the entire culture was essentially constructed and lionized by magazines like Loaded that were largely aimed at - and largely staffed by - men.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » I'm not objecting to the culture itself, but to the derogatory use of the term. When women get together in groups, they also sometimes get drunk, objectify men, act the eejit. Yet there isn't an endless media onslaught telling them they're the source of all of society's ills.
efb wrote: » How much criminal behaviour is caused by drinking women?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Ok then, notice how men in popular almost always seem to me sleazy, stupid or both? Any modern US sitcom evinces this and I'll cite the entire male cast of characters of Big Bang Theory as an example. The likes of Jessica Valenti and Una Mullally regularly spout the kind of bile that sends men off to the likes of Paul Elam.
efb wrote: » It's not always harmless
shruikan2553 wrote: » So what exactly is lad culture and what is the problem with it?
Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: » :rolleyes:The men in the Big Bang Theory are all genuises or close to being geniuses in the show
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