Channel 4's The Paedophile Next Door will feature 39-year-old Eddie admitting openly on camera that he has been sexually attracted to girls as young as four since he was in his 20s, but insisting has never committed a crime. The programme looks at so-called "virtuous paedophiles" and suggests radical changes are needed to child protection that include treatment and therapy for those who come forward despite never having committed any sex offences.
TwoShedsJackson wrote: » Someone who is attracted to a child who hasn't reached puberty i.e. usually 11 or less. After that you're an ephebophile.
Roquentin wrote: » thats the thing. It is there to protect adolescents who would be taken advantage of by adults. That alone says something very fundamental about the law abiding sect of society. by that criteria, every single bloke would be a ephebophile. Every single bloke is attracted to an 18 year old girl. Now society deems it morally wrong for an older man to chase one, but the attraction is there, but ignored. as of now attraction to a teen is normal(17/18/19). Now its considered wrong and men repress it, but teen porn is the biggest porn in the internet. maybe in 300 years time 24 could be the new 18.
looking_around wrote: » Actually the criteria isn't about saying it's wrong, simply about labelling it more clearly. I would say ephebophiles are closer to the norm.
Roquentin wrote: » its higher than 11 id say. i would say up to 14/15 and maybe a grey area at 15 years ago it would have been 11, but we are maturing later now, thats why i say it. people are taking a longer time to grow up.
On average, girls begin puberty at ages 10–11; boys at ages 11–12.[1][2] Girls usually complete puberty by ages 15–17,[2][3][4] while boys usually complete puberty by ages 16–17.[2][3][5] The major landmark of puberty for females is menarche, the onset of menstruation, which occurs on average between ages 12–13;[6][7][8][9] for males, it is the first ejaculation, which occurs on average at age 13.[10] In the 21st century, the average age at which children, especially girls, reach puberty is lower compared to the 19th century, when it was 15 for girls and 16 for boys.[11] This can be due to any number of factors, including improved nutrition resulting in rapid body growth, increased weight and fat deposition,[12] or exposure to endocrine disruptors such as xenoestrogens, which can at times be due to food consumption or other environmental factors.[13][14] Puberty which starts earlier than usual is known as precocious puberty. Puberty which starts later than usual is known as delayed puberty.
Buona Fortuna wrote: » Don't think so. Where did you get that from?Wiki
Roquentin wrote: » so you quote wiki and believe what it says.......emmm
looking_around wrote: » Usually, puberty starts between ages 8 and 13 in girls and ages 9 and 15 in boys. This wide range in ages may help explain why some of your friends still look like young kids whereas others look more like adults.Kidshealth better source for you? thegaurdian explains that's it's fallen by 5 yearshttp://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/oct/21/puberty-adolescence-childhood-onset
Roquentin wrote: » thats exactly the point. It depends not on the age when they hit puberty but rather what they look like. From an evolutionary psychology point of view, yes you are correct and so is the other poster. Technically puberty tells us when we are ready. But attraction is instinctive and we are attracted to what someone looks like not that they are in puberty. Age is just a concept of what it takes the planet to revolve around the sun in the sky. So one year takes 365 days and we then attach this age onto people to further identify them. The mind cannot fathom age. It deals with looks. And it deals on instinct. A person has a general idea of what is attractive. A child who is 12 years old is still transforming into an adult and thus wouldnt be attractive to the mind, despite that they may have hit puberty. The human mind knows what it finds attractive and it should not find that attractive. This is why i said there is a grey area at maybe 14/15 because it depends on what the individual looks like. Of course you get people who age quicker, but i say 14/15 because that would be the general age. what happens is that you have men who are attracted to that type of individual when they shouldnt. You have men who are in the middle of an addiction and will do anything for a high. What also happens is the mind gets tricked. A poster mentioned transexual porn and that works in the same method. Its tricks the mind. The youth of today are now dressing like adults and that can trick the mind. Its open to interpretation and depends on what the person looks like, not age. pedophilia overlaps a lot with hebephilia. some psychologists would prefer to distinguish them unlike the media. My issue is that a person may be in puberty but still look young and that is what the mind goes on, what a person looks like
Buona Fortuna wrote: » FFS - for all its faults quoting wiki is better than simply making it up as you go along. Did I miss any references that you were citing?:eek:
UCDVet wrote: » Maybe I'm biased - but I just feel sorry for the guy. You can't help how you *feel*. Nobody chooses what they find attractive. We can choose how we act on those feelings. I'd venture to guess that most men (or possibly people? I dunno how the ladies feel) have sexual urges that would be criminal if acted upon. It's just that, almost all of us, can control ourselves.
looking_around wrote: » As a woman, I love sadism in the bedroom. So yes, I can vouch for criminal thoughts. (Women really aren't a separate species, you know.)
ScumLord wrote: » I don't think (consensual) sadism is illegal. As long as nobody dies it's all good.
whupdedo wrote: » I'm a straight male but don't have any tendency to go and rape women just because I find them attractive, likewise a paedophile usually doesn't feel the need to go out and abuse or rape children
sadie06 wrote: » Yes but as a straight male you will have ample opportunity to satisfy your attraction, so are statistically unlikely to rape. There is no opportunity for somebody with an attraction to children to satisfy their urge, unless they resort to abuse. You can't just file it as another orientation in my opinion.
whupdedo wrote: » If pedophiles feel the need to go and get treatment that is up to them, but branding them as abusers and threatening to lock them up is going down a very dangerous path imo
looking_around wrote: » Of course, I know the difference between fantasy and reality, and my thoughts will stay as thoughts only.
looking_around wrote: » As a woman, I love sadism in the bedroom. So yes, I can vouch for criminal thoughts. (Women really aren't a separate species, you know.) But that's just it, they're thoughts. I think the best thing to compare them, for people. is have you ever been really, really, really angry at someone? ever uttered the words "ugh, I could kill them"...you don't really mean it, but, at the moment, you thought it. It's just a thought, and thoughts should never be treated as a crime.
ceadaoin. wrote: » 1 in 6 children in the UK suffer some form of sexual abuse. Does that suggest that most paedophiles are able to control their urges? Im sure there are people who have these feelings and who don't want to act on them but I think in a lot of cases it is more than a sexual orientation issue and more about power and control. I don't know what the answer is but I think sympathy should lie with abused children, most of whom feel the effects of abuse well into adulthood.
Into The Blue wrote: » A path I wouldn't mind living at the end of.. Comparing liking grown women to liking kids? Ffs, We live in a world where everyone thinks they have a right to life.. I wish that was not the case, and give me a choice over the greater public good, and some peados free will, I know which I'd choose.
ceadaoin. wrote: » 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 8 boys in the UK suffer some form of sexual abuse. Does that suggest that most paedophiles are able to control their urges? Im sure there are people who have these feelings and who don't want to act on them but I think in a lot of cases it is more than a sexual orientation issue and more about power and control. I don't know what the answer is but I think sympathy should lie with abused children, most of whom feel the effects of abuse well into adulthood.
