Smith614 wrote: » TTM.... U got it badly wrong again. Tiredness is used as an excuse in defeat. Matches are an advantage when on a roll and winning but it is an excuse when beaten. Kilmallock thought them a lesson in hurling and will to win.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » I hope ballyhale win Leinster and they get to the final. Now if Kilmallock beat them fair play, immense Credit to them. I will laud them with praise. I can't see it,I fear it could be a one sided final. Remember all things will be equal in ballyhale have same prepartion in the lead up to it. They won't be tired. Cratloe would been competive as they have pace to counter the direct approach ballyhale. Kilmallock don't have pace and yes they are good under the high ball but simple point is like kilkenny ballyhale are just as strong if not better than Kilmallock at it. The saving grace for Kilmallock is if a fast portumna beat ballyhale they could have a chance. Its doubtful though. Yes shocks happen but shefflin farewell will keep the focus. Kilmallock wont have a hope in he'll of beating them if they meet. They have poor forwards bar ghrame mulchay, Jake excellent today doesn't always do it though in big games. Eoin Ryan poor from play again. Paudie o brien had a fine game but Kilmallock imo are stuck between a rock and hard place keep o brien up their, but they will need him at half back to mark one of cha, fennellly and Reid. Gavin O mahony has to come back also to half back. Loughlin brothers at three at and six struggled to mark cussen and have conceded six goals in two games, tj Reid has destroyed most intercounty full and half backs like shefflin so they will crucify Kilmallock defence goal wise. Now you put Gavin on fennellly, and o brien on tj Reid,they probably won't hold them but even so who holds cha fitzpatrick, who holds king henry. Take Paudie and Gavin out of half forward then who limits fennellly at centre back from lording the skies. Eoin Ryan or Jake mulchay wont do that. Point is Kilmallock if they meat ballyhale have too many problems to solve with few options to solve them. There a good club team in certain aeras but they have a lot of weak aeras and sarsfields if they were any good should of won. Joey holden can mark mulchay If needs be and once he holds him to four points it will suffice. Kilkenny club team will bring an intensity and drive and passion to match fury and fire of limerick, but so so much more in a cohesion, intelligent hurling game plan with a plan b and limerick direct style approach by Kilmallock like this year senior intercounty game will be meat and drink to ballyhale. This Kilmallock team I may have been wrong have not been exposed just yet but if they play ballyhale, a team driven to give imo king henry he's farewell in I believe he will retire will absolutely blow this Kilmallock team away. They want it for king henry. Kilmallock were lucky Cratloe had dualism but they struggled to beat them. In essence my point is both teams Kilmallock beat had their own weak aeras but yet had to go extra time. They won't beat a ruthless ballyhale if they meat. They must start paddy loughin. He won't be playing harty cup as charville are out but it's ideal game for him as four week later he's out v cork minors. Paddy is a terrific player, young but he's definitely able to start for these games. With Gavin and Paudie if they go to defence,loughin could do a half forward midfield role. Kilmallock wont beat them going fifteen v 15. They will loose too many individuals battles. Must play a sweeper but they won't Smith you fail to understand the concepts of dualism in playing and training. Cratloe have been training in hurling and football and playing for bones nine months in both codes, your novel fictional thoughts that it didn't catch up with them is just incorrect., You can train up hills Cratloe,go recovery ice baths in ul,take all vitamins,and eat all right food but there comes a time when you need a mental break and physical from the intensity of games or indeed any sport. Cratloe club players had no such break in three weeks, all were close high intense physical games, of course it told. Sonia sullivan a classic case in point, ran numerous personal best, world records etc, but peaked too soon up to atlanta and suffered the price of not being fresh. How many times have lions rubgy tours relied on strength of a bench to help them in three back to back weeks. These are professional, they eat,drink, sleep sport and recovery. You have a club team here. Take out the intercounty lad's who would some how be prepared slightly better for burnout,you have ordinary club lad's playing train both weeks weeks after weeks, have work or college next day, your telling me they won't burn out you clearly haven't got any ideas demands concepts of the game now,and add ten per cent to demands as physical demands are more in winter Wexford full of intercounty lad's proved that this year v limerick when dunne said they were out on their feet up to the game. To break it down, if Joe blogs runs a marathon, he's most important week is actually he's taper week, hardest part for a runner is to ease off but it's got to be done. You run your marathon you get a pb yes some enter another marathon straight after it maybee four weeks later but yes they will finish it as your body has acclimatised the fitness and endurance side of it and so too the mind to not give up and you'll finish it.But the speed in the legs is gone. It takes recovery etc to build that up. Now the Kenyon, ethopianans the elite runners can do it. The average runner can't hes not professional to do it. But you wont come anywhere near a pb, you will hit the dreaded wall sooner than you like and your fighting for survival not to break records. Today Cratloe were that runner.A county struggles in dualism like cork, a small club had no chance. It was just a matter of time in truth be told. Between football and hurling they had ran too many marathons,once it went to extra time there were fighting at best to draw for survival they had no chance of winning. Your oblivious to today's games if you though Cratloe were thought a hurling lesson, they drew at full time. How were they thought a lesson. Once it went to extra time they hadn't a hope of winning. The only lesson they learned today is don't belive hype about dualism can work, in its just a matter of time before the demands catch up with you. Cratloe between hurling and football had munster games the 26th, October, ninth of November, the 16th and today. Kilmallock had just two. Now delve deeper into to the clare championship they won the hurling the sixth October. Football the week after. That's just from the county finals up, add in all the other games. You see starting out in a season you get away with it,longer season goes on, boom boom, it catches up with them. Crucially up to today's game it was Cratloe third game in a row. Kilmallock had time to focus on this game,Cratloe didn't in had football last Saturday. I watched Cratloe train. There all about touch and pace and movement. I saw the footballers train one evening, with core group lad's training hurling skills then trying to combine both one night. A brave effort but you can't short cut to success. Today espiceally in extra time they were static.If you think it had nothing to do with tiredness your wrong but each to their own. Killmallock couldn't beat two teams, in two hours of hurling imo tells me there not great and certainly bearable. If Cratloe had a week off they would imo won. I don't blame players they couldn't give any more. What's must be done is dualism has to be looked at in club games now as it's too competive even in schools to do both. Cusack I didn't agree with then but he has a point players at a young age may have to choose,as it just can't be done nowadays in a successful sense.
citykat wrote: » I think what will equally have done for Cratloe will be simply that they didn't do as much hurling as Kilmallock this year. If you're playing both codes, you couldn't possibly do as much hurling as the single code club. I imagine in the lead up to a football match, Cratloe will have been doing all football. The single code club will have hurled away that week. That's going to tell on you, at some stage, the further you go.
CORKDOUBLE wrote: » Just thinking out loud.....Andy Walsh is Killeagh as is Mark Landers.........Brian Murray is Bishopstown as is Johnny Crowley......Glen O Connor is St.Finbarrs as is JBM ......just saying like !! Miny you if O Connor is as tough as his sister he would be o.k. he was involved with the Minors when they last got to the All-Ireland final in 2007....
Mountainlad wrote: » Lehane gets surprising amount of stick given what he contributed to Cork this year. Best forward bar none, I would imagine Harnedy would be next in line but he was missing v Clare and Tipp. Thought Lehane should have got man of the match v Limerick ahead of him as well. Hes small, but other than that think he has absolutely everything and at only 22 reckon he'll definitely continue to prove himself as a huge player for Cork.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » I'm a huge fan of him always have been but he's played out of position Ucc done the same last week to him, talking to a guy at it he was poor at full forwar forward There going to ruin this player If hes played at ten he's fine but at fourteen he fades in and out of the game He's better roaming and drifting in than staying on the square If he doesn't perform coughlan is well able to do a job Coughlan should get game time in the league even at midfield with walsh just to have cover for kearney O shea like wise
Mountainlad wrote: » Was he not playing at 10 all year for Cork?
Figsy32 wrote: » I think it's just there's so much obvious potential there that people are expecting too much from him a little too quickly. He drifts in and out of games a little and maybe isn't the most ruthless in terms of going for goals. Slightly frustrating but that's what happens with young players. They're things that will come in time I'm sure though. No doubt he'll be a massive players for Cork for the next 10 years.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Any venue for Saturday's all ireland u16 final in hurling good counsel v midelton?? Anyone know please
denishurley wrote: » WIT, 2pm
dcrosskid wrote: » Is that vocational schools hurling ttm? Are ye still confident of getting 5/6 teams into the harty qf? I think my old school Thurles will be hard bet, they have a strong team & also based on no facts whatsoever if there are that many Cork teams surely the quality can't be great. I don't mean that in a bad way but it stands to reason that the quality of Cork schools hurling must be diluted massively by the sheer amount of schools. Midleton would possibly be the strongest?
dcrosskid wrote: » Are ye still confident of getting 5/6 teams into the harty qf? I think my old school Thurles will be hard bet, they have a strong team & also based on no facts whatsoever if there are that many Cork teams surely the quality can't be great. I don't mean that in a bad way but it stands to reason that the quality of Cork schools hurling must be diluted massively by the sheer amount of schools. Midleton would possibly be the strongest?
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Ucc beat davy fit lit tonight in wet cold night in senior hurling league. 2-18 to2-14 around. Cork wise cormac Murphy outstanding at midfield.Real aggression in he's hurling,lovely crisp charismatic hurling. Rickard cahalane was good as was killan Burke. Shane o donnell got a goal.Played well. Alan cadogan was very good. Conor lehane is indeed eligble fitzgibbon cup again I was unsure as he had graduated with an arts degree in summer but must be doing more in college as he played tonight . Tonight ucc played a him centre forward he was immense, winning ball, running at the defence,yes had a few wides but must got around six scores from play. He was brilliant Anthony spillane came on a sub and got goal and point. He's everything you crave for in a full forward tough, mobile, aggressive,hungry. Real want, and has hurling. He won lot aerial ball. He has indeed got a call up to the Waterford crystals cup,brilliant news for cork. He's u21 for the next two years so he's young but huge potential. I have recently being doing a lot of querying on Damien irwin, he's a tremendous attention to detail I'm told and will be very good many astute gaa men former coaches and players I trust told me. With liam Hayes cork u21 I'm gone from hopeful I'm confident now we are making progress at the grade. Hallejiah amen at last. Killeagh have lost two coaches to corkhurling in landers also and are looking for a coach them selves with Denis walsh ex cork manager apparently going to Killeagh Imo id have doubts if they will be successful and they have talent but he's record is poor with cork and Catherines. A lot of moving and shaking in club managerial scene. Another east cork club set for a major coup. Big city club looking outside the county. It remains to be seen what happens. Should be some interesting announcements soon enough.
