Rosa Hot Lumberman wrote: » And taxes have been reduced in the budget to compensate, leaving many people actually better off.
Barely There wrote: » Hopefully the water charge will increase significantly over the next few years, given the current charge isn't nearly enough to cover water provision bonus,car allowances,unused office space,general squandering of money costs.
Cuttlefish wrote: » I tell you what why don't you instead of paying just what they are looking for… pay a load more. In essence given them some of your money for free.
Cuttlefish wrote: » How much are you willing to pay so?
Cuttlefish wrote: » So you want to "jack" up the prices even more…what is your aim to get Ireland to the top of the leader board with regards to water charges??
zerks wrote: » FYP.
Daith wrote: » You forgot taxpayer funded gym there.
Rosa Hot Lumberman wrote: » Please, what a load of nonsense. let the country be ruined over a few hundred euro of a water charge, some people really need to take a look at themselves. And long may it continue creating jobs and improving the conditions and pay of those who spent years in university qualifying in many different science, engineering and IT fields. Sure lets artificially prevent people getting jobs and pay rises just out of begrudgery :rolleyes:.
Barely There wrote: » Why would I want to do that? Sure you want the charges increased dramatically, you said so. The cost associated with collecting, purifying, distributing water, along with collection, treatment and disposal of wastewater, not to mention repairing, improving and upgrading our current infrastructure to cater for future population growth. And only in 2014 we decide to start ALL what you are purporting to? How much are you willing to pay? Pay for it already, and BTW I aint paying for highly paid employees of IW to have private gyms, bouses for under performing etc etc etc!! My 'aim' would be to get the costs associated will all of the above covered by a water charge, as opposed to our current system which pays it our of central exchequer funding, on the whim of the Minister of Finance and has ensured we've ended up with a system which has been under-invested in for years and is becoming unfit for purpose. And the central funding??? We will see it refunded to tax payer in some way, I doubt it What way would you like to do it????
Barely There wrote: » Oh look - he did a funny. *slow hand clap*
Ghost Buster wrote: » Another thing thats hardly rocket science is, if we are so broke how can we afford a utility which before even becoming properly established has a 'bonuses for all' policy, can have the likes of John Tierney and Hubert Kearns, who have a string of disasterous rolls behind them (Kearns left Sligo 80m in debt) running the utility on 6 figure sums, can give board rolls to the likes of Coleman Shanley who has no qualifications but whos family regularly donate to FG. Then we have our politicains who whilst governing a broke country can be amongst the worlds most highly paid. Combine this with all the waste, corruption and general paddy whackery. So, how is this going on if we are broke. Its not rocket science:rolleyes:
Ghost Buster wrote: » No. he pointed out the elephant in the room. The one you are prepared to ignore at all costs.
Barely There wrote: » The elephant in the room that so many protestors are willing to ignore is the cost of water provision. Gyms and bonus are peanuts in comparison.
moxin wrote: » Motor tax and VAT pay for it, you do not know the history of Irish taxation.
Irish Steve wrote: » AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!Where's the head banging against the wall smiley when you need it. This thread is nearly at the message count limit for one thread, and we're STILL getting the same stuff that was dealt with back in the first 100 messages. So let's expand things a little, and see where we go.WARNING, it's not going to be short reply.TLDR summary. FF signed us up for it before the last elections, and it's going to happen, and if done properly it needs to happen, but IW as presently structured is the wrong way, the wrong people and the wrong culture to do it properly.
Irish Steve wrote: » TLDR summary. FF signed us up for it before the last elections, and it's going to happen, and if done properly it needs to happen, but IW as presently structured is the wrong way, the wrong people and the wrong culture to do it properly.
listermint wrote: » I am not sure BoJack read what he was thanking. Its not his modus operandi
Cuttlefish wrote: » Enlighten us so, please do
BoJack Horseman wrote: » What do you mean buddy?
Ghost Buster wrote: » But gyms, bonus', waste and disproportionate wages would a logical and fair place to start,. You do agree with fairness don't you. And, as another poster here said "it's not rocket science" to realise that you would have much more goodwill from the population if that came first.
listermint wrote: » He doesnt see the Croynism, jobs for the boys, entitlement and untouchable nature of Irish Politics as the elephant in the room.
Caliden wrote: » Legislation introduced in 1997, the last time water charges almost went ahead. Instead of water charges we got a 2% VAT increase and 5% motor tax increase to cover the cost.
Cuttlefish wrote: » So in essence will we see a 2% VAT reduction and a 5% Motor Tax reduction?
listermint wrote: » Just everything youve wrote in the past is all for IW. You havent really complained about its make up.
Banjo String wrote: » As my dad would say...... Ye will in your balls.
Geuze wrote: » Why we won’t be paying twice for water During 2013 the Govt collected €60,837m, or 61bn approx. During 2013 the Govt spent €70,804, or €71bn approx. The general Govt deficit was €9,967 or nearly 10bn.http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/gfsa/governmentfinancestatisticsoctober2014/#.VFtxzPmsWSp Currently the Central Govt pay grants to the local councils to run the 1000+ water and wastewater treatment plants. The idea is that Govt grants to IW will fall, and be replaced by people paying water charges. The costs to run the 1000+ plants shouldn’t change, but people will be paying for them directly, rather than then via Govt grants to councils. So the Govt will spend less, and the fiscal deficit will fall, as it has to.So nobody will be “paying twice”. Yes, people will be paying a new tax/charge to help reduce the fiscal deficit. So, to be clear, the LPT and water charges are new taxes/charges to help reduce public borrowing, and are part of the broadening of the tax base. Of course, nobody likes new or higher taxes. An alternative to the LPT and water charges is higher consumption taxes or higher income taxes. To people who say: “we already pay” – yes we already pay taxes, but they are not enough to cover public spending.
