DamagedTrax wrote: » selective eyesight to go along with the well known FG condition of selective hearing.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » Aren't the meters revealing many of the leaks?
twowheelsgood wrote: » I personally don’t doubt that the majority of the protestors are genuine. Most will either genuinely struggle to pay an additional charge or genuinely believe that “enough is enough”.
Larbre34 wrote: » I'm against IW, but I agree with Enda on this. Stupid government tools coming out the last few days calling for a referendum.The constitution has been abused enough with amendments regarding things that have nothing to do with the structure and direction of a republic, and utilities should not be in there either. It could backfire badly as so much constitutional tampering has before and the Supreme Court will say "every person has the right to own a bucket"
mzungu wrote: » I doubt Mr. Kenny has the best interests of the constitution in mind. For me if just confirmed all along that IW is going to be privatised. He can give all the assurances that he wants, because chances are that if and when privatisation does go ahead, he will happily be in retirement and won't have to face down the crapstorm.
mzungu wrote: » FG have managed to get Irish people protesting on the streets over a charge most of them would have happily paid had all this been done in the right manner.
mzungu wrote: » all we can try do is defeat europe and our political masters and stop our kids paying this extra burden forevermore.
emo72 wrote: » all we can try do is defeat europe and our political masters and stop our kids paying this extra burden forevermore.
twowheelsgood wrote: » I seriously doubt that. No matter how well it was done there was always going to be significant opposition to water charges, just as there was to property tax. Whether the opposition is strong enough to temporarily put a stop to metered water charges remains to be seen. You mean our national debt?
emo72 wrote: » incidentally, i notice the only thing you took offence too was the term molotov cocktail. not the outrageous detail before it that made everyones jaw drop. and there i was standing there holding it waiting for you to offer me matches:rolleyes:
mzungu wrote: » This is one of the major problems as I see it for FG. A lot of people who are out protesting are not anti water charges altogether, most would happily pay if water conservation was its primary goal. Instead we get drip fed information on very costly price structures , bonuses for IW staff even when they under achieve and an endless steam of lies and spin all aimed at getting the ordinary joe/josephine to get back in their box. Its almost quite an achievement when you think of it, FG have managed to get Irish people protesting on the streets over a charge most of them would have happily paid had all this been done in the right manner. I doubt Mr. Kenny has the best interests of the constitution in mind. For me if just confirmed all along that IW is going to be privatised. He can give all the assurances that he wants, because chances are that if and when privatisation does go ahead, he will happily be in retirement and won't have to face down the crapstorm.
Infini2 wrote: » To be honest I'm happy to see these protests many have been quietly giving out for years about rising prices and such (only last week they announced price increases for transport companies that even the unions turned around and said what the hell about it) and the way Irish Water was rushed through and the way its been setup as another quango for profit instead of a simple water department seems to have been the final straw. Always said that these gombeens were poking a sleeping dragon and sooner or later it was gonna wake up and burn the bollocks outta them. Theyre not gonna admit it but theyre in a panic now. Regardless of the reasons this has become the biggest protest in Irish History without a doubt. Theyre trying to backpedal now and sweeten up the public but if everyones smart theyll see past their little charade and continue to keep the pressure up until they finally back down entirely. People simply have no more to give its that simple and until that point gets across loud and clear the only thing i can see is this continuing until either they back down or are thrown out altogether.
Wurly wrote: » Taken from the Boycott Irish Water page on Facebook: "Hubert Kearns was Sligo County Manager for 17 years and when he retired in 2013 he received a lump sum of 270,000 and a pension of 68,000 per year. His time as Sligo manager was controversial and he left behind a County debt of 80 million. "It's not the end of the world, nobody died," he said about the council's financial woes. At one stage he refused to attend council meetings in a dispute with an independent Councillor and spent more than €50,000 council money hiring HR consultant Declan Naughton to monitor meetings. Asked to comment on reports that his own pay as Sligo Manager, at €136,000, was €30,000 more than that of the Spanish prime minister, Mr Kearns said his salary was fixed by Government. “I am surprised that the Spanish prime minister earns so little.” So after retiring from Sligo he has his pockets full, thanks to the taxpayer - that's YOU and ME, So, has Mr Kearns taken up fishing? No, Hubert has apparently found gainful employment with Irish Water. Irish Water, home to retired Council managers, headed up by retired Dublin Manager John Tierney (salary 200,000 Eur). But apparently Irish Water managers (like Hubert?) would have to get by on a measly 100,000. Hopefully though they might be able to survive once the expenses and free cars are factored in. So you can see good people why it's going to take 20 years to fix all those rusty old water pipes!""
efb wrote: » Morning Ireland: Gerry is paying his water charges now... I can't keep up with his flip flopping
Banjo String wrote: » Didn't he always say he would pay?
efb wrote: » He said a few days ago he wouldn't, now at the end of the interview he seems to be not paying again... (In his holiday home)
Banjo String wrote: » Not that I'm aware of. He said (weeks ago) that he was unsure if he'd have to pay. His Louth home isn't his, and there was some uncertainty if his cottage had a well. Thankfully though, many don't be persuaded by politicians stances on this issue regardless.
geeksauce wrote: » This is the same fella that leads a party that a lot round here want to see running the country in a couple of years. He doesn't even know if a property he owns has a well or not? Wow.
Banjo String wrote: » I never said the uncertainty came from him. It was uncertainty on the media's part at the time. Jeez.
martomcg wrote: » So I saw on the news yester-morn that large areas in/around Clondalkin flooded due a burst water main -http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/clondalkin-houses-evacuated-after-water-main-bursts-1.1987498 So when/if Irish Water finally goes ahead and there is a company responsible for water (for which we will be paying a fee for service) then does that mean they are legally liable for any damage to property in cases as the above?
martomcg wrote: » So when/if Irish Water finally goes ahead and there is a company responsible for water (for which we will be paying a fee for service) then does that mean they are legally liable for any damage to property in cases as the above?
smash wrote: » Are the council liable to property damage resulting from flooding at the moment?
Lucy and Harry wrote: » More than one in four children have been left on or below the poverty line since the economy crashed, according to an international study on the impact of the recession. Child poverty rates jumped from 18% to 28.6% between 2008 and 2012 — an increase of 130,000 that brought the number of children living in hardship here to 350,000. That puts Ireland in 37th place out of 41 developed countries ranked by Unicef according to how well they’ve managed to insulate children from the impact of the global economic crisis. According to Unicef, median Irish family income has regressed 10 years. let us now put their water down to a trickle so they cant wash themselves in showers and use dishwashers and use washing machines to clean uniforms for school.Our children and grandchildren will surely thank our generation for being good little peasants and paying back these banks.Good old Ireland is gone.
martomcg wrote: » Thats not really the same thing. You dont directly pay the council for water at the moment.
martomcg wrote: » After IW is established as a utility company, you'll pay them directly and not the government. I presume if theres a gas explosion then Bord Gais are responsible for any damage.
martomcg wrote: » Or if your bin company damage your bins they're liable to replace them.
geeksauce wrote: » Ah right misread it, still I am sure he knows himself then and wouldn't mind clarifying it.
yipeeeee wrote: » They have it so hard compared to past generations alright.No one in this country lives in poverty .
Authors of Social Justice report question Irish government’s commitment to equality. Photo by: Getty A new survey shows that 750,000 people in Ireland live in poverty – an increase of 120,000 since the collapse of the Celtic Tiger. The report, commissioned by the Social Justice Ireland group, says that a quarter of those living in poverty are children. It also states that 16 percent of adults living in poverty have jobs but are broke. Announcing the results of its survey entitled "Poverty and Income Distribution," Social Justice Ireland was critical of the Irish government’s ‘commitment’ to equality. The group highlighted that the top 10 percent of households in Ireland receive 24 percent of total disposable income while the bottom 10 percent received just three percent. Fr Seán Healy, director of Social Justice Ireland, told the Irish Times: “These figures show a profound failure on the part of Government to protect the vulnerable during the crisis. “The value of core social welfare payments has been eroded by inflation increases since 2010. Social Justice Ireland is proposing a €5 increase in core weekly social welfare payments in budget 2015 to go some way towards addressing this deficit in budget 2015.”
yipeeeee wrote: » They have it so hard compared to past generations alright. No one in this country lives in poverty.
