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Travellers jailed for attacking Gardai

Firewalkwithme

It looks like the small minority of bad apples in the Traveller community is giving the rest a bad name again....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/travellers-jailed-for-attack-on-garda%C3%AD-at-halting-site-1.1982351

I like this bit -

Mark Lynam, defending, said Thomas McDonagh was taking his newborn child out of the car at the time and thought there was a threat to the baby. He said his client lost control of himself. He grabbed the garda’s official notebook as they tried to take details of the car down and told them “f**k off or you’re dead”.

He then grabbed a claw hammer and raised it over his head in a threatening manner, telling gardaí: “If you don’t leave I will open your head”.

Thomas McDonagh is 22 and has 92 previous convictions and has previously been banned from driving for 20 years. A 2 year sentance seems very lenient considering his record.

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Squeedily Spooch

Barely There wrote: »

Wonder how quick the Mods would be swinging the Ban Hammer if the word 'Traveller' was replaced with 'Asians', 'Jews' or 'Blacks' in any of the small selection of posts above.

Seems we're all comfortable being prejudiced against Travellers though.

Travellers aren't a race, they're a group of white europeans, same as the majority of Irish people, they just choose to live how they do. I'd have zero problems with travellers who settle, work and pay tax, but they're in a minority. Take a trip to any halting site in the country and see where your tax money is going then cry the racism (they're not a race) card.

Also the irony in playing the race/bigot card, for travellers, who are some of the most outright bigoted people you'd ever meet. Prejudiced against gays, any foreigners and settled people.

end of the road

smash wrote: »

Massive healthcare burden. Travellers have high rates of CF among other genetic defects.

And there it is... they should contribute, because it's how society works.

Maybe they shouldn't pitch up and they should buy their land and earn their keep like the majority of society.

healthcare is never a burdin.
they do earn their keep like the majority of society. i'd be worried about the wellfare scroungers in the settled community first.
they do buy their land where possible but if they are traveling travelers its impossible to buy land.

Squeedily Spooch

end of the road wrote: »

healthcare is never a burdin.
they do earn their keep like the majority of society. i'd be worried about the wellfare scroungers in the settled community first.
they do buy their land where possible but if they are traveling travelers its impossible to buy land.

If laying tarmac and selling carpets bought me a new car every year paid for with a wad of cash we'd all do it.

end of the road

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

maybe if travellers as a whole stopped being a blight on society

they aren't a blight on society. society makes to much of an issue out of every bad thing done by a foreigner or a member of a minority group rather then treating it as the same issue as when a member of the so called "normal society" does it.

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

started paying taxes, declaring where their money is made

ah come on. plenty in the settled community try riggel out of tax and declaring their money. we'd probably all try it if we got away with it. if revenue can't be bothered to chase up travelers not paying tax and declaring money thats revenues problem

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

stopped wrecking the sites given to them for nothing because of their "culture" that people wouldn't have a negative image of them.

of course they would. if your not one of "them" the bigots don't want you around

end of the road

VinLieger wrote: »

That is such a bull**** he without sin argument, EXACTLY the same could be said for the travellers yet people like you will refuse to believe they can be racist cus they are in the minority.......

i don't

RobYourBuilder

end of the road wrote: »

healthcare is never a burdin.
they do earn their keep like the majority of society. i'd be worried about the wellfare scroungers in the settled community first.
they do buy their land where possible but if they are traveling travelers its impossible to buy land.

Healthcare is one of the governments biggest expenditures. Anyway, 84% of travellers are unemployed. How exactly do they earn their keep?

end of the road

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Healthcare is one of the governments biggest expenditures. Anyway, 84% of travellers are unemployed. How exactly do they earn their keep?

lots and lots of work

Squeedily Spooch

end of the road wrote: »

ah come on. plenty in the settled community try riggel out of tax and declaring their money. we'd probably all try it if we got away with it. if revenue can't be bothered to chase up travelers not paying tax and declaring money thats revenues problem

Sorry but "sure other people do it!" is a piss poor argument. It's not the revenue can't be bothered, it's that it's just a massive waste of resources, have dealt with travellers plenty and the amount of manpower that goes into dealing with them and the massive levels of fraud in their "culture" is just ridiculous. Can't be easy trying to find a few people with the exact same name as dozens of their relatives. Plus there's the intimidation aspect, same reason guards tend to avoid going after travellers for minor stuff.

Tugboats

Not read the 17 pages but has anyone mentioned this legend yet?:cool:
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Squeedily Spooch

end of the road wrote: »

lots and lots of work

Such as?

Radly

To use the much loved phrase of the "PC Brigade", the mask is slipping. I've been reading a lot here, and it's really slipping, the regularity with which several members defend to the hilt and shut down any discussion to do with certain minorities is unbelievable. It's almost like reading a group of politicians who are blindly toeing the party line. What with religiously thanking each others posts, and never thanking well made points from users more to the middle either I might add, just repeating the 'that's racist' mantra. It's getting old tbh and it does nothing for allowing society to progress in a way that is best for everyone.

RobYourBuilder

end of the road wrote: »

lots and lots of work

What part of 84% are unemployed do you not understand?

end of the road

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

Such as?

why don't you ask them

end of the road

Radly wrote: »

To use the much loved phrase of the "PC Brigade", the mask is slipping. I've been reading a lot here, and it's really slipping, the regularity with which several members defend to the hilt and shut down any discussion to do with certain minorities is unbelievable. It's almost like reading a group of politicians who are blindly toeing the party line. What with religiously thanking each others posts, and never thanking well made points from users more to the middle either I might add, just repeating the 'that's racist' mantra. It's getting old tbh and it does nothing for allowing society to progress in a way that is best for everyone.

there is no much loved phrase of the "PC Brigade", as the pc brigade doesn't exist, only in the minds of those who have bigoted or racist opinions or both who can't except the days of saying what they like unchallenged by those of an opposite opinion are gone

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

why don't you ask them

They're asking you...

... 'Cos you told them this...

end of the road wrote: »

lots and lots of work

You're making a clown of yourself, I'm afraid.

Squeedily Spooch

end of the road wrote: »

why don't you ask them

You're the one championing travellers not me, or are you scared to walk into a halting site and ask where they get their money?

EazyD

end of the road wrote: »

lots and lots of work

Doing nixers under the radar isn't contributing to society.

Radly

end of the road wrote: »

there is no much loved phrase of the "PC Brigade", as the pc brigade doesn't exist, only in the minds of those who have bigoted or racist opinions or both who can't except the days of saying what they like unchallenged by those of an opposite opinion are gone

G'wan out of that. It doesn't exist. Of course it does. I'd count you in it for one, Nodin, The Parrot Joey off the top of my head. A politically correct crowd. The brigade bit suits as it paints a picture of something rolling in. Like the usual suspects do every time a thread like this comes up. I just wish you guys would step back for once and consider the possibility that the constant shutting down of discussions like this may damage society in the long run.

shruikan2553

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Heres some statistics then. 80% are unemployed, 21.8% have completed lower secondary level, 0.1% of the population make up 5% of the prison population, 37% of women seeking refuge from domestic violence were travellers. Cant find an exact number but they also have a high rate of disability.

Im sure you'll find anyone else to blame for it though.

Funny how everyone calling people racist and bigot ignore statistics.

end of the road

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

You're the one championing travellers not me, or are you scared to walk into a halting site and ask where they get their money?

no . but its none of my business

end of the road

EazyD wrote: »

Doing nixers under the radar isn't contributing to society.

its contributing to their families, thats more important then society

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

there is no much loved phrase of the "PC Brigade", as the pc brigade doesn't exist, only in the minds of those who have bigoted or racist opinions or both who can't except the days of saying what they like unchallenged by those of an opposite opinion are gone

So the dozens of posts on here from ordinary people detailing negative experiences with Travellers... Those posters are all lying bigots and you're right?

The dozens of newspaper articles in various publications each week detailing the obvious and rampant criminality in the Travelling community... Those are lying, bigoted publications and you're right?

The statistics that have been produced here time and again to show there are serious problems within the Travelling community and how they behave as regards work and taxation... Those are all produced by bigoted statisticians and you're right?

If the main reason people complain about the appalling behavior of a large section of the Travelling community is bigotry and racism (Travellers are not a seperate race) why don't we hear even a fraction as many complaints about the Chinese, Polish, Nigerian, English communities?

Isn't it possible that most of the undeniable problems existing within the Travelling community is caused by the community itself and that they themselves have done most to earn their abysmal reputation?

end of the road

Radly wrote: »

G'wan out of that. It doesn't exist. Of course it does. I'd count you in it for one, Nodin, The Parrot Joey off the top of my head. A politically correct crowd. The brigade bit suits as it paints a picture of something rolling in. Like the usual suspects do every time a thread like this comes up. I just wish you guys would step back for once and consider the possibility that the constant shutting down of discussions like this may damage society in the long run.

nothing is being shut down

end of the road

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Funny how everyone calling people racist and bigot ignore statistics.

well, they can be twisted to suit ones agenda whatever that may be

wexie

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

What part of 84% are unemployed do you not understand?

ah here now, there's nobody saying that they're sitting around doing nothing, they're just busy with things they don't want revenue to know about.

And sure, if they can collect a bit of free money as well....why wouldn't you, it's not like they're likely to face any consequences like a regular 'civilian' would now is it?

shruikan2553

end of the road wrote: »

well, they can be twisted to suit ones agenda whatever that may be

And how would one twist statistics like the ones I found? Groups like the CSO are up to something?

Where the women asking for it?

wexie

end of the road wrote: »

well, they can be twisted to suit ones agenda whatever that may be

really? tell me then quite how the numbers of 80% unemployed, 49% of admissions to womens refuges, 40% of marriages between first cousins, can be twisted to suit your agenda?

Go on, explain to the great unwashed how these numbers are misunderstood and they're an example of quite how fine and upstanding citizens they really are?

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

its contributing to their families, thats more important then society

If we all thought like that, where would the massive amounts of tax money needed to prop up the Travelling community come from?

Scratch that, where would money for schools, roads, policing, hospitals, trains, nurses, etc... Come from?

You're obviously at least semi-literate... Do you not understand how nonsensical that statement is?

Radly

end of the road wrote: »

nothing is being shut down

Discussions are always shut down here. Go check out a thread similar to this which has been closed and then see who thanks the mod closing it.

EazyD

end of the road wrote: »

its contributing to their families, thats more important then society

That's your response........really?
Sure why don't we all adopt the same approach and see how that works out.