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Protestors yay or no

crannglas

Just curious. Do you support protestors or do you expect no one to be questioned ,confronted stood up to,or to show their discomfort struggle etc.. Personally I believe in right to protest shout roar (if they feel need) Soon the dail will be marched upon by 200 thousand strong. Do you always just lay down and accept all they throw at you? Pretty soon the sugar tax will come in. And what would it take to get you off your. Butt to protest? And yes I will protest. So why the hatred of protestors who are standing up for your rights to.

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mikemac1

The recent abortion march in Dublin had a loon roaring for men to know their place.

So OP, should people attend protests where they are not even wanted?

As for that loon she's forgotten that men vote too

crannglas

padma wrote: »

Yes..I do support them..I come from a line of people who protested for change in this country..sometimes it worked..sometimes it didnt..it keeps the politicians on their toes and teaches the next generation not to become numbed to the plight of others.

Those who dont are entitled to their beliefs but shouldn't scorn, belittle or try to bully those who do online on forums like this.

Marching for better pay, workers rights, human rights, anti war, drop the debt is a necessity in an unfair society. Until these issues are resolved and corruption cleaned up I hope that people with a social conscience will continue to come together to form a more just society.

Great post! Why is there so little appetite in Ireland to stand up for themselves and reign in the already lose governments we have the last 15 years to 20 years.

alias no.9

OP, I'm curious as to why you ask if people support protestors? Is the act of protesting the most important thing in your eyes?

crannglas

mikemac1 wrote: »

The recent abortion march in Dublin had a loon roaring for men to know their place.

So OP, should people attend protests where they are not even wanted?

As for that loon she's forgotten that men vote too

Ah always one isn't there. Yes you have right to stand up for what you believe in.

SaveOurLyric

crannglas wrote: »

Great post! Why is there so little appetite in Ireland to stand up for themselves and reign in the already lose governments we have the last 15 years to 20 years.

Because most people in Ireland are sharp enough to both know that it would be pointless, and that they elected the government and so have the government they deserve.

crannglas

alias no.9 wrote: »

OP, I'm curious as to why you ask if people support protestors? Is the act of protesting the most important thing in your eyes?

I ask because I see very little support and alot of animosity towards protestors for what ever it may be. Protesting is an important part of keeping the rights of the people protected, as obviously not protected by the government.

crannglas

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because most people in Ireland are sharp enough to both know that it would be pointless, and that they elected the government and so have the government they deserve.

When a government party gets elected by a small majority.it only shows the people of said small minority got who they elected. Rest of us got shafted. No seems to me although unhappy with decisions that are being made and the still constant criminal cronyism shown time and time again till present. These people are just sitting back and taking it. Nothing to sharp about that.

Mark Tapley

I went to the poll tax demonstrations in London years ago. It was a good cause but my favourite part was the chaos and anarchy.

crannglas

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because most people in Ireland are sharp enough to both know that it would be pointless, and that they elected the government and so have the government they deserve.

Hold the Cheez Whiz

I think people in Ireland are willing to go out and protest (although less so than in some neighboring countries). Certainly pensioners, anti-abortion groups, students, and public sector unions are! That said, they aren't willing to if the protests are in any way, shape, or form sponsored or organized by the Socialist Party, Eirigi, or fellow-travellers. That's the difference, OP (as far as I can tell anyway).

SaveOurLyric

Hold the Cheez Whiz wrote: »

I think people in Ireland are willing to go out and protest (although less so than in some neighboring countries). Certainly pensioners, anti-abortion groups, students, and public sector unions are!

i.e. those who dont have something more useful to do or can afford to indulge themselves with a group hug. And make themselves feel as if 'at least we are doing something!'

crannglas

Hold the Cheez Whiz wrote: »

I think people in Ireland are willing to go out and protest (although less so than in some neighboring countries). Certainly pensioners, anti-abortion groups, students, and public sector unions are! That said, they aren't willing to if the protests are in any way, shape, or form sponsored or organized by the Socialist Party, Eirigi, or fellow-travellers. That's the difference, OP (as far as I can tell anyway).

Exactly Hold the cheez whiz. They as a hole won't go stand up for them selves unless someone sends the bus it seems. Didn't ff etc.. do that and still do that. Send the buses to pick up their voters lol.

alias no.9

crannglas wrote: »

I ask because I see very little support and alot of animosity towards protestors for what ever it may be.

A lack of popular support should certainly trigger some reflection amongst the protesters, alas it rarely does. Where popular support is not forthcoming, then that calls into question the cause or the motives/actions of the protestors. Maybe next time the cause seems to be genuine, have a look around you and ask yourself why each of the protestors are there? What's their agenda?

crannglas wrote: »

Protesting is an important part of keeping the rights of the people protected, as obviously not protected by the government.

Perhaps. I support the right to protest but I see no reason to support protestors however. I may support a cause and even join a protest in support of a cause but supporting protestors puts protestors rather than the cause centre stage.
Once a protest infringes on any persons ability to go about their daily business, perhaps you should consider their animosity as their own little counter protest, I support their right to this counter protest, do you?

Shakespeare's Sister

crannglas wrote: »

people don't have issues with paying their bills. We do however have issues paying three four times over under different headings.

I don't mean something as contentious as water charges but just your bog-standard phone/electricity bill, even though it's based on their own usage.

padma wrote: »

Yes..I do support them..I come from a line of people who protested for change in this country..sometimes it worked..sometimes it didnt..it keeps the politicians on their toes and teaches the next generation not to become numbed to the plight of others.

Those who dont are entitled to their beliefs but shouldn't scorn, belittle or try to bully those who do online on forums like this.

And protesters shouldn't do the same, like the Greyhound picketers intimidating that woman, or the water meter technicians being harassed. Easy targets - only reason why.

mickydoomsux

I support protestors who have a valid point and have researched their argument properly.

99.9% of protests in this country are the same braying lack-wits who barely understand what they are whinging about.

Daveysil15

Ireland is the only country in the world where you see protesters outside AA meetings.

Essien

Phoebas wrote: »

What kind of crazy talk is this!!

There are approximately 200 'down with everything' groups on Facebook.

Each one has the same 1000 or so followers.

It's basic maths tbh.

padma

Boards is not an accurate representation in how people think. Online forums are filled with people who have an agenda, from left to right. Most people are at home watching tv or at meetings, evening classes, gym etc..a lot of people dont go online to debate the finer points of who is right and who is wrong.

When the time is so limited and if you have a day time job the opportunity to march on the streets is not there. The best thing you can do is not insult those who are out on the streets be it teachers nurses or whatever background they are.

Sitting at home tut tutting about those who are is hopeless. With the crowd we have currently in government its no wonder they cant appear freely in public. Look at how they hurt those with disabilities, the sick, the student, the closing down of local garda stations, the water corruption, the implementing a household tax..the closing down of emergency wards and so on and so forth.

Lining them up against a wall is pointless as an Irish person we are too civilized, but they do deserve a kick in the hole and they got it at the last local elections..funny how since the last elections theyve started to drop the poor mouth and are now looking at giving a little back in the budget soon. What handouts to persuade the vote back in to their camps? A few quid off ur tax bill so you will forget about the water tax?

Blood1

The Irish are not people who come out in strength and until they stand up more and more will be put into the mix, more taxes more charges.

SaveOurLyric

Blood1 wrote: »

The Irish are not people who come out in strength and until they stand up more and more will be put into the mix, more taxes more charges.

They are pretty docile. Preferring to sit in the pub or in front of the TV bitching. What they do not quite link is how their politicians and public service is a perfect reflection of those whining about them.

Shakespeare's Sister

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

They are pretty docile. Preferring to sit in the pub or in front of the TV bitching. What they do not quite link is how their politicians and public service is a perfect reflection of those whining about them.

But you were saying negative stuff about "them" not being docile and going out protesting - which is it?

SaveOurLyric

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

But you were saying negative stuff about "them" not being docile and going out protesting - which is it?

The point is they (other than an irrelevant inconsequentially minute cohort of nutters) dont protest. They know there is no point, know they are already on a good thing, but still like to whine about how bad they have it.

Phoebas

Essien wrote: »

There are approximately 200 'down with everything' groups on Facebook.

Each one has the same 1000 or so followers.

It's basic maths tbh.

Its the same 1000 followers that follow them all.

mikemac1

Only group who come up with clever stunts and guarantee media coverage for their protests are the farmers

There's no protest like a farmers protest :cool:

crannglas

mikemac1 wrote: »

Only group who come up with clever stunts and guarantee media coverage for their protests are the farmers

There's no protest like a farmers protest :cool:

Honest to god and the older generation who were protesting back against the last attempt to bring in water charges. Do you remember that? Scared the kickers off government. Why is it so different now
Old quote. When government fear the people there is democracy,when people fear the government there is tyranny
Which one do you believe is happening in Ireland.

Egginacup

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

The vast majority of protests in Ireland tend to attract the same shower of crusties, tattooed Republicans, economically illiterate socialists, and troublemakers. The majority of people don't want to associate with those sorts.

The rest of us just grumble.

Wasn't it the usual filthy underlings who marched and demanded equality for women, f@ggots, n!ggers, kn@ckers, ta!gs, peasant farmers, et al, et al?

But thanks for your ivory tower.

If your kid had to be sent off to a war or some crap you'd take to the march then. Someone else's? probably not.

Did it ever occur to you that these "crusties, hippies and otherwise deluded dreamers" might actually want what's best for you as much as you want what's worst for them?

I don't hear too much about the protesters in Hong Kong on fora like this. People sneered at the Occupy movement because they were "protesting" corporations and their cling on everything. People scoffed at them protesting against the very corporations who produced their palm-held devices. I don't hear the same derogatory dismissals about the HK protesters who are actually better dressed, and seem better equipped with their designer umbrellas.

So.....

When is a protester to be commended and when to be laughed at?

Is Joanna Lumley a piece of sh!t for campaigning, and indeed joining protests to have Gurkhas allowed British citizenship? Go say it to her face.
I suppose it all boils down to what's being protested and the class of people who are doing the complaining.

Complain, then march, then fight against unfair taxes, colonial intransigence and unequal status in Massachusetts in 1776 and you are not a filthy, peasant but a patriotic pathfinder.

Do the same, and for the same reasons in Ireland at the same time and you are a disgusting troll who should be beheaded.

Protest in one country and get hosed off the streets and you are a martyr (Iran, China, South Africa)
Do it in another country and you should be jailed for the rest of your life (Myanmar, America).

Funny business, this "right" to complain.

Gatling

Somebodys got another dose

Blood1

Regardless of what people do the water charges are here to stay, if you dont get a meter in you will get an estimated bill, people would need to come out in their hundreds ever day to stop this, and people are not going to do this.

131spanner

crannglas wrote: »

So why the hatred of protestors who are standing up for your rights to.

Because a large number of them are árseholes who'll shout for X this week and Y next week, not majorly interested in the topic but more so in making a scene.

crannglas

Blood1 wrote: »

Regardless of what people do the water charges are here to stay, if you dont get a meter in you will get an estimated bill, people would need to come out in their hundreds ever day to stop this, and people are not going to do this.

If you look at not to distant past,they already tried this joke of a nothing more Mafia style (criminal) control of water. It all started as pockets of people in their areas blocking meters going in. Then it moved to 180 thousand marching on the dail. That does not include the marches they had in other counties. People are already refusing to send back their packages with their details. People I know who never went to a protest in lives are going along with future generations from schools. Young and old seem always to be the ones who stand up for their rights. And get heard. The gengenerations majority in middle seem to be very lethargic and acceptant. But what I am hearing in work as I work with public different people every day. They are chomping at bit for this march next Saturday. Bound to get trouble makers in the mix. But hopefully country won't be moaning saying how we are a nuisance then moaning about how they don't agree and shouldn't be paying twice for their water.