Piliger wrote: » If we could only get guys and girls to stop, and take a step back, and change their behaviour to something remotely recognisable as rational. What is it they say is the definition of insanity ? Repeating the same actions over and over and over again, and expecting a different result ! Instead of complaining incessantly about night clubs and being unable to meet men/women, what they need to do is CHANGE their behaviour and start joining social groups, start visiting friends more often, and admitting to themselves and other people that Nightclubs and pubs are BORING ! Remember people, you may only have five friends .. but each of them has 5+ and so on. By being more FRIENDLY we can tap into a wide network of people where we can engage in more rational behaviour like going out for reasons other than to to go nightclubs. Group trips to places like Howth or Dunleary, house parties that are not raves, organise a Wicklow mountain walk, ad nauseum. Stop listening to the dickhead who calls every decent idea 'boring' and 'not cool'. Get people together and do enjoyable social stuff. It is while doing all of this actually enjoyable social stuff that we bump into potential girlfriends and boyfriends.
Daveysil15 wrote: » That's easier said than done when your mates are only into the 'boring' stuff. It can be difficult for a non drinker when the majority of social activities revolve around alcohol. I do agree with the gist of your post though. I joined a photography club recently which has been great for meeting new people. The hill walking events on meetup.com are another good one. Trying to get my mates to tag along to these things is another thing though. It's the reason why I usually travel alone. I'm not into the sun and booze holidays like a lot of people I know. I prefer the cities. A few people in work said to me that I only go to boring places. Prague and Rome are considered boring by some people. I suppose we all like different things.
Roquentin wrote: » if he can do it, so can anyonehttp://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057291195
Daveysil15 wrote: » That guy has balls. It is America though. I wonder would he have the same success in Dublin.
Roquentin wrote: » people say it is an art. i think its a science. if you know psychology and how the mind can be manipulated you have a good chance. the very best sales reps do the same thing as do politicians. they can influence the thought of the individual
Daveysil15 wrote: » Does that mean Enda Kenny should be giving advice on how to seduce women? :eek:
Stonecutter735 wrote: » Of course it's possible, but I would say it's fairly rare.
Mike747 wrote: » Women need to realize that their 'wonderful guy friends' quite often want more than just friendship. Chance are when you met he found you sexually attractive but nothing happened so he ended up in the friendzone. I would say quite a lot of men would sleep with their female friends if the opportunity arose. I know girls who have amassed significant boy collections. And I know girls who have some poor sucker whose madly in love with them, but she'll insist their 'just friends'. There are women who seem to take a sadistic pleasure in that type of situation. They'll flaunt their latest conquest in front of the poor guy. Men need to realise too that if it isn't going well with a girl they need to bail or they'll end up in the friendzone.
audi12 wrote: » 100 per cent agree men need to stop acting as if women are so nice etc etc there not and being the nice guy will get you nowhere only the friendzone as you say and no guy wants to be there
Mike747 wrote: » Damn right, never put pussy on a pedestal. And these suckers in the friendzone do just that. I'd say you have two weeks to sleep with a girl after you meet her. After that you become part of her boy collection.
Daveysil15 wrote: » That's easier said than done when your mates are only into the 'boring' stuff. It can be difficult for a non drinker when the majority of social activities revolve around alcohol. I do agree with the gist of your post though. I joined a photography club recently which has been great for meeting new people. The hill walking events on meetup.com are another good one. Trying to get my mates to tag along to these things is another thing though.It's the reason why I usually travel alone. I'm not into the sun and booze holidays like a lot of people I know. I prefer the cities. A few people in work said to me that I only go to boring places. Prague and Rome are considered boring by some people. I suppose we all like different things.
B0jangles wrote: » "Boy Collection"? What. The. Fúck. is wrong with you people? Is the concept of inter-gender friendship really so alien to you?
Pug160 wrote: » It takes a certain amount of guts to go travelling alone, so anybody who does it should be proud. That's why I was disappointed with the earlier post by Wibbs (who I know didn't mean it that way, admittedly), as it looked like it was kind of being dismissive of anybody who wasn't having regular sex while totally forgetting how much effort some of us are putting in to our lives overall, and how much some of us have changed as a result. When the other stuff comes it will be that much more satisfying because of the effort and self improvement that has preceded it. To go from a scaredy-cat (in my case and many others here I'm sure) to a guy who in some situations is rather ballsy, is way more profound than simply getting the ride while having no other goals.
Kelly06 wrote: » Would you not attach any value in a platonic friendship with a woman?. Not on the attack, just interested to know? I'm female and I would count a few men amongst my closest friends, most of them would be in relationships also and I have befriended their wives and girlfriends over the years also. I find friendships with men to be very different than friendships with women.
Mike747 wrote: » I don't have any close female friends. All my close friends are male. And to be honest I prefer it that way. Maybe it gets different when you're older, but when when a young guy in his twenties meets a girl (one that he finds attractive) he isn't thinking 'what a great opportunity to make a new friend' he's thinking 'how can I get into her pants'. I'm not trying to upset anyone by saying that, I just believe it to be how most, if not all, young men think.
Daveysil15 wrote: » A lot of couples start off as friends so there's no harm in having a few female friends.
Daveysil15 wrote: » It was daunting the first time I did it but I'm used to it now. I heading off again on my own in a couple of days. I suppose the same can be said for approaching women. If you do it often enough you'll get used to it. It's important to step outside the comfort zone every now and again. What's that old saying, "If you change nothing, nothing will change."
paddy1990 wrote: » Approaching a girl shouldnt be daunting unless youre doing a pure cold approach, in which case, its kind of weird in my opinion. If youve got eye contact, exchanged a cheeky smile or two, then approaching should be fun. "hey, i saw you checking me out and thought you looked nice as well" with a smile and youre off.
paddy1990 wrote: » It depends on the girl as well to be fair. Ive got some girl mates that are quite heavy and wouldnt go there. I wouldnt turn down oral sex from them though, so i guess thats something. Im also pretty sure they find me attractive even though i dont necessarily find them attractive.
Mike747 wrote: » Yes it should be fun. Most guys are simply too terrified of rejection to really try it though. Why are men even afraid of rejection? Some random girl shoots you down, it's not the end of the world. But many men believe it is.
Piliger wrote: » Most men fear rejection. Most women are the same. Very few people of any gender find it easy to deal with.
audi12 wrote: » one rule for men and another for women when women friendzone a guy its fine because she wants to be friends even though she knows exactly what she is doing playing games
Mike747 wrote: » But why should they? It's really just being afraid of your ego being bruised. Of course if you've obsessed over a girl for a year and have finally worked up the courage to ask her out then rejection would be devastating but really, you shouldn't have allowed yourself to get into that position.In a bar it should be fun to approach random girls.
