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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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Super-Rush

rob316 wrote: »

Lambert is a really good intelligent player I can't stress that enough.

You clearly haven't watched him play before as he isn't slow, that was his first penalty he ever missed I'd say in pre-season.

He has made 2 telling contributions in his first 2 games off the bench.

You're right, i've never watched him play once, not even when we played Southampton. I go temporarily blind whenever he plays for us.

Underpaid Mike

Super-Rush wrote: »

I saw plenty of Lambert last season thanks.

Played really well in a small team.

As for the goal against City, how many chances did he need to score that goal?

Header from point blank range hit straight at the keeper then knock in the rebound. Yeah thats the sign of a top player alright.

So you are writing off a player that has scored 106 goals in 197 games since 2009 because of 10 mins he played against a city team who were beating us 3-0 and we were effectively down to 10 men due to an injury and no subs left?
Beggars belief to say the very least.

Harry Palmr

Borini will be at Inter come January. So you can quit your arguementing.

pmy.murphy

Lambert who showed that hes a very good player at Southampton I dont think will have the effect we desire. He was very much the key man for Southampton up front and the team was more or less built to support him. He will not be the key man for us plus I dont think he possesses the mental toughness to survive at a big club but its early days yet so I wont rush to judgement. Borini has played at Chelsea as a youth, for Roma where he was one of their best players in Serie A at the time and got a move to Liverpool at perhaps an awkward time with a new manager implementing new principles plus he was injured most of the time. He showed what he can do last season for Sunderland if given a run of games. I think he deserves a chance and admire him for his determination to stay and get stuck in. Thats an excellent attribute to have. Not saying he will or should be a starter but he at least deserves a chance and I reckon he will turn out to be a better option than Lambert. Just my opinion. At the moment Borini doesnt deserve to be ahead of Lambert and has got to prove that first

Super-Rush

kfallon wrote: »

Judging by the players Southampton sold this summer he wasn't a big fish in a small pond!

Their league position says different.

kfallon

Super-Rush wrote: »

Header from point blank range hit straight at the keeper then knock in the rebound. Yeah thats the sign of a top player alright.

Borini missed a sitter for L'pool v City in his second league game for us.
He missed an open goal in the UEFA cup game away at Hearts too.

Every striker misses chances, not sure what your point is tbh!

rob316

Super-Rush wrote: »

So what does Lambert offer then?

Missed penalties?

Missing complete sitters?

Being slower than Kolo Toure?

Lambert is a really good intelligent player I can't stress that enough.

He has made 2 telling contributions in his first 2 games off the bench.

A real valuable asset he will be IMO

kfallon

Super-Rush wrote: »

Hmm you could say the same about Lambert being the big fish in Southamptons small pond.

Judging by the players Southampton sold this summer he wasn't a big fish in a small pond!

Super-Rush

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Did Lambert not more or less score our goal against man city two week ago?
5th highest scorer in the permiership last year
Great at dead balls
Very strong in the air, excellent movement and very accomplished link up play

Let me guess "you didnt see much of him last year but he is crap cause he isnt a 91 pace in fifa14"

I saw plenty of Lambert last season thanks.

Played really well in a small team.

As for the goal against City, how many chances did he need to score that goal?

Header from point blank range hit straight at the keeper then knock in the rebound. Yeah thats the sign of a top player alright.

rob316

No I don't think Borini deserves to be ahead of Lambert right now, Lambert is a proven goal scorer and a very good player, one I'm looking forward to seeing start a game for us.

Borini can have his part to play though and I would have preferred him to Aspas or Moses last year.

But the point is if you play with 2 strikers you need 2 back up I think 3 is too little cover. Put it this way you wouldn't be happy having 3 centre backs you want atleast 4.

Super-Rush

kfallon wrote: »

Really?

Phil Bardsley also scored for Sunderland against City last season, is this how we now decide how good a player is?

Borini did well for Sunderland, but that's his problem I think. He'll always be good for a mid table team but when the pressure is on at a big club he won't come up with the goods.

We're stuck with him now til January at least so no point arguing the toss. I would have preferred the £14m in the bank if I'm honest!

Sure it'd be boring if we all had the same opinions!

Hmm you could say the same about Lambert being the big fish in Southamptons small pond.

Sideshow Mark

billymitchell wrote: »

Does he? I'd disagree, I think Lambert is a good third option , much better chance of him scoring a goal than Borini. If Borini can prove in the chances he does get with us this year that he is a good finisher, then I'll change my opinion on him. But I havent seen anything up until now to prove to me that Borini is a striker that will get goals for Liverpool

If he can get goals for Sunderland he can get goals for Liverpool. I prefer him to Lambert. I think he fits into the current set up better than Lambert, and he wants his chance at Liverpool, can't fault him for that.

Underpaid Mike

Super-Rush wrote: »

So what does Lambert offer then?

Missed penalties?

Missing complete sitters?

Being slower than Kolo Toure?

Did Lambert not more or less score our goal against man city two week ago?
5th highest scorer in the permiership last year
Great at dead balls
Very strong in the air, excellent movement and very accomplished link up play

Let me guess "you didnt see much of him last year but he is crap cause he isnt a 91 pace in fifa14"

Dont be at yourself

kfallon wrote: »

Really?

Phil Bardsley also scored for Sunderland against City last season, is this how we now decide how good a player is?

Borini did well for Sunderland, but that's his problem I think. He'll always be good for a mid table team but when the pressure is on at a big club he won't come up with the goods.

We're stuck with him now til January at least so no point arguing the toss. I would have preferred the £14m in the bank if I'm honest!

Sure it'd be boring if we all had the same opinions!

I'm not saying he's our new Suarez, but he demonstrated last season that he could handle immense pressure -- scoring FA Cup Final against the ultimate league champions, and in a relegation scrap away at Chelsea. Compare that to our back-up striker last year: came on in a potential title-decider, and played a corner straight to the opposition.

He won't score twenty goals for us, but he could score the one important goal in a clutch moment that could decide our season. Or he might not. In any case, he's of more use to us now than an extra £14m in the bank is.

Super-Rush

So what does Lambert offer then?

Missed penalties?

Missing complete sitters?

Being slower than Kolo Toure?

kfallon

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

and the opener in the FA Cup Final against Man City.

Really?

Phil Bardsley also scored for Sunderland against City last season, is this how we now decide how good a player is?

Borini did well for Sunderland, but that's his problem I think. He'll always be good for a mid table team but when the pressure is on at a big club he won't come up with the goods.

We're stuck with him now til January at least so no point arguing the toss. I would have preferred the £14m in the bank if I'm honest!

Sure it'd be boring if we all had the same opinions!

billymitchell

Super-Rush wrote: »

So if he, a striker, plays a game and scores a goal or two proves nothing?

What will he have to do?

He deserves a place on the bench and to come on before Ricky Lambert.

Does he? I'd disagree, I think Lambert is a good third option , much better chance of him scoring a goal than Borini. If Borini can prove in the chances he does get with us this year that he is a good finisher, then I'll change my opinion on him. But I havent seen anything up until now to prove to me that Borini is a striker that will get goals for Liverpool

Thud

kfallon wrote: »

So how come we didn't keep him last year? I mean all we had was Suarez and Sturridge then (with Suarez banned for first 5 games).

Oh and Aspas :rolleyes:

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http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/14/liverpool-fortunate-to-add-victor-moses-to-ranks-says-brendan-rodgers-3996217/

martyos121

Super-Rush wrote: »

So if he, a striker, plays a game and scores a goal or two proves nothing?

What will he have to do?

He deserves a place on the bench and to come on before Ricky Lambert.

No, I don't agree with this part. Lambert offers something different off the bench if things aren't going our way. Lambert is the type of player you would love to bring on against the likes of Chelsea when they're parking the bus. Borini offers nothing different off the bench, he's just a much lesser version of Sturridge. That's not to say he wouldn't get a few games for us, but Lambert will be above him in the pecking order.

kfallon

Super-Rush wrote: »

So if he, a striker, plays a game and scores a goal or two proves nothing?

So you'd be happy enough to see him score a brace against Boro and then keep his place for the next PL game ahead of Balotelli or Sturridge, is that what you are telling me?

I would prefer Lambert off the bench every time to Borini, Lambert has contributed to goals in both the games he has come off the bench in so far!

Dont be at yourself

kfallon wrote: »

So how come we didn't keep him last year? I mean all we had was Suarez and Sturridge then (with Suarez banned for first 5 games).

Oh and Aspas :rolleyes:

Yep, and when Aspas was coming on late in games and playing that corner, Borini was dragging Sunderland to survival, including scoring a winner against Chelsea, and the opener in the FA Cup Final against Man City.

No problems with him being in the squad this year. He's not going to set the world alight, but the margins are so tight at the top, that he could easily be the difference between 4th and 5th, or between 1st and 2nd!

noodler

kfallon wrote: »

So how come we didn't keep him last year? I mean all we had was Suarez and Sturridge then (with Suarez banned for first 5 games).

Oh and Aspas :rolleyes:

I don't get what you are trying to say here?

Yes, I wish we had had Borini in the squad when Sturridge was injured over Xmas.

Yes, last season we survived with just Sturridge and Suarez (ignoring Aspas) without European games to play. This time we have 6 CL games at least and can expect, not unrealistically, a better run in the domestic cup competition.

Have you thought this through?

rob316

Re: Borini

I just don't think he has been given enough of chance. Is he as good as Balotelli or Sturridge? absolutely not nor will he ever be. I think people are been too hard on him though, in his first season he was trust into a team under a new manager and new playing style he was always going to struggle, he was plagued with injuries for most the season too. He made just 13 league appearances.

I'd be confident with the way we play now he could get goals. He signed a contract and wants to fulfil that contract, he was offered more money to go to qpr to play regular football but refused. He wants a shot here at the highest level and I admire the lad for that.

Put him on the bench, don't freeze him out otherwise his value will plummet.

Super-Rush

kfallon wrote: »

I love all this "Borini should get a shot" malarkey! When exactly do you think he should get a shot?

Play him in a LC tie up at Boro, if he scores a goal or two it still won't prove anything. Do you propose we drop Sturridge, Balotelli or maybe Sterling for a PL or CL game to give him his chance? If Rodgers did that this place would be in meltdown. He has Lambert, Balotelli and Sturridge in front of him in the pecking order and rightly so. He will never be good enough for Liverpool.

We had a £14m offer on the table from Sunderland (apparently), we will never get that kind of money for him again, that's what bothers some fans. He's obviously been told he has no future here. A year or so ago he would have been a squad player, with the players we have brought in he's gonna need the plague to descend upon Melwood to get a run out in an important meaningful match!

So if he, a striker, plays a game and scores a goal or two proves nothing?

What will he have to do?

He deserves a place on the bench and to come on before Ricky Lambert.

kfallon

noodler wrote: »

It only takes one injury to Sturridge or Lambert or Ballotelli to have a meltdown to bring Borini into the frame if we are gonna keep playing two up front.

So how come we didn't keep him last year? I mean all we had was Suarez and Sturridge then (with Suarez banned for first 5 games).

Oh and Aspas :rolleyes:

noodler

kfallon wrote: »

I love all this "Borini should get a shot" malarkey! When exactly do you think he should get a shot?

Play him in a LC tie up at Boro, if he scores a goal or two it still won't prove anything. Do you propose we drop Sturridge, Balotelli or maybe Sterling for a PL or CL game to give him his chance? If Rodgers did that this place would be in meltdown. He has Lambert, Balotelli and Sturridge in front of him in the pecking order and rightly so. He will never be good enough for Liverpool.

We had a £14m offer on the table from Sunderland (apparently), we will never get that kind of money for him again, that's what bothers some fans. He's obviously been told he has no future here. A year or so ago he would have been a squad player, with the players we have brought in he's gonna need the plague to descend upon Melwood to get a run out in an important meaningful match!

It only takes one injury to Sturridge or Lambert or Ballotelli to have a meltdown to bring Borini into the frame if we are gonna keep playing two up front.

I admire him for his decision even if I ultimately feel it was the wrong one.

I'd rather have him then the 14m with a day on the transfer window left I guess (my thinking on Monday).

Great quote

He may well also think he can break into Liverpool’s set up. There are precedents for that. A long season beckons and Liverpool suddenly look a lot better playing two forwards and the third on the list, Lambert, looks short of the pace required to play in this Liverpool side.

kfallon

I love all this "Borini should get a shot" malarkey! When exactly do you think he should get a shot?

Play him in a LC tie up at Boro, if he scores a goal or two it still won't prove anything. Do you propose we drop Sturridge, Balotelli or maybe Sterling for a PL or CL game to give him his chance? If Rodgers did that this place would be in meltdown. He has Lambert, Balotelli and Sturridge in front of him in the pecking order and rightly so. He will never be good enough for Liverpool.

We had a £14m offer on the table from Sunderland (apparently), we will never get that kind of money for him again, that's what bothers some fans. He's obviously been told he has no future here. A year or so ago he would have been a squad player, with the players we have brought in he's gonna need the plague to descend upon Melwood to get a run out in an important meaningful match!

BenEadir

Paully D wrote: »

Apologies if posted, but I thought this was a good assessment of the Borini situation:

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/09/curious-case-fabio-borini/

Super well balanced article. I can't believe how some people moan that Borini was somehow being greedy or letting LFC down by not agreeing to be traded against his will like a piece of meat. If LFC want rid of him that badly pay him up his contract and let him leave but I don't see that happening.

I really hope he gets a few games and has a decent shot at cementing a spot in the squad on merit. If he gets his shot and it doesn't pan out he'll be much more likely to accept its not going to work out for him at LFC and he needs to move on but until then why should we be pissed off at a guy who is trying to stake a claim to play for LFC.

Ben

citytillidie

Gbear wrote: »

Two ****in weeks.

Bleugh.

Better get addicted to smack to keep me occupied.

Wait is killing and even worse is I am excited as I am going to it.

Paully D

Apologies if posted, but I thought this was a good assessment of the Borini situation:

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/09/curious-case-fabio-borini/