steddyeddy wrote: » Hypothesis: There are a significant percentage of people in the country that don't want work. Refute: During the Celtic Tiger we had close to full employment.
Gannicus wrote: » Exactly that and the fact that where and what it can be spent on is controlled no luxuries like sky+ or booze or smokes. And if you read my previous posts I have a theory that said stigmatism will socially coerce people into working for a living instead.
LexieOnRale wrote: » But there were people who couldn't wait to turn 18 and head down to the dole office as soon as they were old enough, that was in the good times too. What were they getting back then? 210 euro or something?
LexieOnRale wrote: » It's funny how people on the dole long term seem to be better off than if they were working. I know a couple on the dole, I've known him since I was a young child and I know her since school, he's had one job for a few months since I've known him, she's had no job since leaving school. They've medical cards, they've sky, they've broadband, they're going to some part of Spain for a week next month. They get rent allowance. His brother and his brothers girlfriend aren't much better. She gets back to education allowance, medical cards, rent allowance, she has a part time job that she earns decent commission on, he's on the dole. They've the best of everything, sky tv broadband new iPhones a nice holiday every year. What I'd like to know is why those people are getting the same amount of money as someone who's worked their whole life, paid their prsi contributions and have a genuine interest in getting another job. Also, there's some cul camp that was running this summer. 70 euro per child but if you've a medical card, they're free. It's so stupid. Any time I have to go to the dr, I have to ring 3/4 days in advance to get an appointment. I'm not sure how you're supposed to foresee if you're sick, but when I do eventually get an appointment, and I'm sat in the waiting room, it's always the same people, the same faces. If I could find a doctors surgery that's taking on new patients and didn't accept people with medical cards, I'd move doctors.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Society advances through production and innovation of new technologies. It's the nature of humans to constantly build and develop. This happens slower when large swathes of the population are being disincentivised from working. The only way to turn that around is to end the entitlement culture. If a person does not contribute to society they should not benefit from it. Even Marx famous said "to each according to his contribution". I don't hate then. I just don't give a damn and don't want to see my money being used to support them. Money that I could be saving to support myself should I lose my job.
LexieOnRale wrote: » But there were people who couldn't wait to turn 18 and head down to the dole office as soon as they were old enough, that was in the good times too. What were they getting back then? 210 euro or something? About time they started drug testing for welfare. Don't pass the test? Don't get the cash. Anti social behaviour? Stop the money.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The definition of full employment excludes those who don't want to work...
dark crystal wrote: » Yeah, you wouldn't want to catch nasty dole disease off 'em. *Sniff* Here's a suggestion, why don't you take a leaf out of your mates book and sign on yourself. Experience their luxurious existence for a while and then report back as to how much better off you really are. Might even make you less prone to whinging.
steddyeddy wrote: » The word "want" is the word that lets you down. Official statistics don't take into consideration people's aspirations.
mphalo1 wrote: » the reason half the country have left to work abroad is because they are on the dole and can't sit around waiting for the economy to recover, the other half dont want to go this is their home and are entitled to stay its their land, let's not forget here the banks and corrupt governments brought this country down 99% of the people on the dole at present helped build it up during the Celtic tiger , just because you have managed to find or keep your job now doesn't mean your not ever going to lose it and when you do where will we see you standing inline at the dole hall or on the docks leaving (PS good luck with that when no one will buy your possessions and you have kids and a house in negative equity so you retrain with a class full of people doing the same thing and apply for the same job as hundred other people. people are not better off on the dole they have just got used to living tightly within their means with sod all disposable income and no way to save without serious sacrifices. the country will eventually recover and everyone will get job offers again hopefully soon and jealous assholes like you can no longer look down your nose at them anymore even tho the dole Q is full of highly trained people that could look down their nose at you!! its important to be nice to people on your way up as you might meet them on the way down , is my motto
LexieOnRale wrote: » Surprisingly catty! If you put that effort into finding a job maybe you wouldn't be so touchy
Iwasfrozen wrote: » They don't need to. "Full employment" excludes long term unemployed. As well you know.
LexieOnRale wrote: But there were people who couldn't wait to turn 18 and head down to the dole office as soon as they were old enough, that was in the good times too. What were they getting back then? 210 euro or something? About time they started drug testing for welfare. Don't pass the test? Don't get the cash. Anti social behaviour? Stop the money.
Diego Simeone wrote: » If you're on the dole, you're counted as wanting to work, so you would be included in any measure of full employment. If someone chooses not to work and not claim the dole, they're not relevant to this discussion.
Tarzana wrote: » That is chilling. Coerce? Shudder. Would you be happy for your PhD-holding, 3 years plus unemployed friend to have to suffer such stigmatisation and be prevented from buying what you see as luxuries?
Gannicus wrote: » I have had this discussion with him before and I have said that I think it is discgraceful that people can pay for sky+ or go the pub or smoke 20 smokes a day on €188 a week (may or may not include rent allowance depending on circumstance). He thinks its a laughable result but has said "I'm gonna do it until they stop me from affording it"
Tarzana wrote: » Yup, lets make being long term unemployed (LTU) more depressing. Friend: Yo, LTU, haven't seem you out in a long, long time, it's Alphonsus's birthday next week, we're going for dinner. You should come! LTU: Sorry, if I try to use my debut card of shame on booze or meals out, it bursts into flames. *goes home to stare at four walls* How far would this banning things stretch? What is deemed frivolous? Books, music, you know, things that aid the soul?
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Does LTU have a brush in his house? If so why not go around to all of his neighbours and ask them if he can clean their yard for a fiver? He could earn enough money to go to Alphonsus's birthday party.
Tarzana wrote: » Well hey, who knows, maybe the debut card of shame won't allow him to buy that?
Tarzana wrote: » Yup, lets make being long term unemployed (LTU) more depressing. Friend: Yo, LTU, haven't seem you out in a long, long time, it's Alphonsus's birthday next week, we're going for dinner. You should come! LTU: Sorry, if I try to use my debut card of shame on booze or meals out, it bursts into flames. *goes home to stare at four walls* How far would this banning things stretch? What is deemed frivolous? Books, music, you know, things that aid the soul? (Yes, I know there are libraries but they tend to be very limited)
