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Vehicle Gallery - Discussion Thread

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Hogzy

Capri wrote: »

Back around 05 Toyota did a no-frills version , narrow wheels / arches / manual windows ...... but then 'the tiger' came and basic didn't cut it when we had all that money to spend

If you're in the UK or especially Australia you can get the basic LC's but over here it's only Bling and extra bling models.

http://www.toyota.ie/models/landcruiser/
Ireland - LC €82k (Commercial €40k), V8 €145k
UK - LC €61k ,V8 €80
Australia - LC €39k (Commercial n/a ), V8 €54K :eek:

Why is the V8 diesel LC €145k here ?(nearly 3 times the Aussie price ) - because Toyota know they can get the Irish to pay that much ( Marketing 101 :rolleyes: )

For €10K more you would have a V8 Range Rover which is probably just as capable off road and a hell of a lot better on road. Not to mention a lot better equipped and much better looking.

Capri

Hogzy wrote: »

For €10K more you would have a V8 Range Rover which is probably just as capable off road and a hell of a lot better on road. Not to mention a lot better equipped and much better looking.

OR - you could have 10 Dacia Dusters!! The original RR Classic served the UK forces well but later ones got too complicated

DesertCreat_15

One thing that annoys me anytime i see pics of the Garda Chopper - is that faded green stripe

ratracer

That was some entourage for whoever they were escorting, but what was the function of the Army motorbikes riding in formation there? Only AGS were directing/controlling traffic, what is the point of the 20 or so army motorbikes there?

Theanswers

Hogzy wrote: »

For €10K more you would have a V8 Range Rover which is probably just as capable off road and a hell of a lot better on road. Not to mention a lot better equipped and much better looking.

V8 RR would be better both on and off road.

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DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

One thing that annoys me anytime i see pics of the Garda Chopper - is that faded green stripe

At least you are seeing it unlike mules looking for it to come out to jobs.

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ratracer wrote: »

That was some entourage for whoever they were escorting, but what was the function of the Army motorbikes riding in formation there? Only AGS were directing/controlling traffic, what is the point of the 20 or so army motorbikes there?

According to the post it was Armando Guebuza, President of Mozambique.

More info on military escorts here:http://www.military.ie/info-centre/defence-forces-history/history-of-the-escort-of-honour/

[Deleted User]

ratracer wrote: »

That was some entourage for whoever they were escorting, but what was the function of the Army motorbikes riding in formation there? Only AGS were directing/controlling traffic, what is the point of the 20 or so army motorbikes there?

Possibly a full state visit or Michael D could have been travelling with them.

timmywex

Re the pics from Carlow...

At least we know where all the new cars are hiding now - a 132 and a 141 :eek:

carzony

timmywex wrote: »

Re the pics from Carlow...

At least we know where all the new cars are hiding now - a 132 and a 141 :eek:

I love those mondeos:D:D

POGAN

timmywex wrote: »

Re the pics from Carlow...

At least we know where all the new cars are hiding now - a 132 and a 141 :eek:

Them i30s are everywhere now....mondeos are nice 2.2

D Trent

Quick question do the blues stay on when key is taken from ignition?

Terrontress

Capri wrote: »

OR - you could have 10 Dacia Dusters!! The original RR Classic served the UK forces well but later ones got too complicated

A lot of motorway police used them until the late 90s, but I think Land Rover might have provided them for free. They were used to tow disabled vehicles. PSNI might still have one or two knocking about.

POGAN

D Trent wrote: »

Quick question do the blues stay on when key is taken from ignition?

Run lock is on.....

D Trent

POGAN wrote: »

Run lock is on.....

And that means..........

Key can stay in ignition but no one can steal patrol car ??

3fullback

Key can be taken out of the ignition, but engine continues to run allowing lights to flash without running down the battery. However if anyone was to sit in a press the accelerator or any pedal the engine will immediately cut out !

D Trent

3fullback wrote: »

Key can be taken out of the ignition, but engine continues to run allowing lights to flash without running down the battery. However if anyone was to sit in a press the accelerator or any pedal the engine will immediately cut out !

Thanks that's v interesting.

I just came across this when doing a google search
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056093078/2/#post69146777

Capri

Terrontress wrote: »

A lot of motorway police used them until the late 90s, but I think Land Rover might have provided them for free. They were used to tow disabled vehicles. PSNI might still have one or two knocking about.

PSNI aren't short of resources

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802079885/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802634884/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802632392/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802070591/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/4621201826/in/set-72157623959243789

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/8751972340/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/7328814340/

On the local scene - saw an unmarked black 141D i30 estate with car pulled over on the N11, new traffic undercover ?

Boaty

On the local scene - saw an unmarked black 141D i30 estate with car pulled over on the N11, new traffic undercover ?[/quote]

I assume that was at Bray, if it was then its not traffic but Bray's resource car so its driven by anyone who needs it.

D Trent

Boaty wrote: »

On the local scene - saw an unmarked black 141D i30 estate with car pulled over on the N11, new traffic undercover ?

I assume that was at Bray, if it was then its not traffic but Bray's resource car so its driven by anyone who needs it.

Well Laudee-feckin-daw Bray.
Back in Jan my local station were sharing a 1.2 '07 Fiesta with another station 12km away

Capri

recent chase in the UK

Good reason not to buy BMW/Audi's for traffic ?, thrashing them down thru roadworks after a Discovery 4x4

Imagine the repair costs compared with a good ol' 'Hayundai' after a thrashing

Old diesel

Capri wrote: »

Good reason not to buy BMW/Audi's for traffic ?, thrashing them down thru roadworks after a Discovery 4x4

Imagine the repair costs compared with a good ol' 'Hayundai' after a thrashing

In my book - a pranged car after a chase is going to be expensive to fix regardless of what manufacturers badge is on the bonnet.

Especially if you want to do the repair job properly.

You could of course look at the following aspects

1) Is the "good ol Hayundai" suitable for been in a pursuit situation in the first place - or is the answer - don't have pursuits/chases????.

2) How do you minimise the risks of having an accident in the first place - good training for example - plus good operational guidelines - and of course officers/members having the confidence to make the right call.

For example - having the confidence to be able to call off the chase if they feel its too dangerous to continue.

Theres also the wider question - if a well trained driver is pushing a BMW or Audi hard - is the BMW or Audi less likely to have a crash when been driven hard due to better roadholding - then a Hyundai been driven hard.

I get that having a poor driver in the Audi and a fantastic driver in the Hyundai changes things around a bit.

But assuming both Audi driver and Hyundai drivers having the same abilities - would it be reasonable to assume an A4/A6 Quattro is going to have better roadholding - and better brakes etc then the Hyundai - and that this might make it a safer car to drive hard - if the driver knows what they are doing etc.

I do agree though - that drivers would need to be trained on something like the Audi Quattro to understand how it handles - as in a police/Garda setting such a car is likely to be bought with the intention of utilising the benefits of Quattro.

Id still suspect the Audi is a safer car though in terms of roadholding etc

Old diesel

Sorry if the above is a tangent or too much like rambling.

I guess what im wondering is - would the Audi - driven properly by someone properly trained - be in some respects actually less likely to be crashed or pranged then the Hyundai that's been asked to do a job its not capable of doing

Terrontress

Capri wrote: »

PSNI aren't short of resources

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802079885/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802634884/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802632392/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/5802070591/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/4621201826/in/set-72157623959243789

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/8751972340/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/what_the_flickr/7328814340/

On the local scene - saw an unmarked black 141D i30 estate with car pulled over on the N11, new traffic undercover ?

It must be a bit of a bummer to get out of your work Range Rover to drive your personal Focus home.

Capri

I guess what im wondering is - would the Audi - driven properly by someone properly trained - be in some respects actually less likely to be crashed or pranged then the Hyundai that's been asked to do a job its not capable of doing

Training / ability to drive is the first qualification, blue lights and a siren don't transform you magically into Sébastien Loeb (Champion rally driver) as some seem to think:rolleyes: .
Having a workman like machine under you is certainly a plus as well, the Skodas use the same basic underpinnings as the Audis so the public perception of the Audi as an 'expensive' car v's a 'cheap' Skoda is something to be considered - more Skoda taxis on the roads than Audis/Hyundais as taxis/poiice cars lead busy lives !
So good training, and a decent 'tool' to do your job with :cool:

It must be a bit of a bummer to get out of your work Range Rover to drive your personal Focus home

Knowing the Northie 'car culture', I'd say the PSNI officer's 'Focus' is a Focus 2.5ST !!!:cool:

Old diesel

Capri wrote: »

Training / ability to drive is the first qualification, blue lights and a siren don't transform you magically into Sébastien Loeb (Champion rally driver) as some seem to think:rolleyes: .
Having a workman like machine under you is certainly a plus as well, the Skodas use the same basic underpinnings as the Audis so the public perception of the Audi as an 'expensive' car v's a 'cheap' Skoda is something to be considered - more Skoda taxis on the roads than Audis/Hyundais as taxis/poiice cars lead busy lives !
So good training, and a decent 'tool' to do your job with :cool:

Knowing the Northie 'car culture', I'd say the PSNI officer's 'Focus' is a Focus 2.5ST !!!:cool:

Hence why I said properly trained

The basic point is that an Audi that handles better and has better brakes (compared to the Hyundai) - is possibly less likely to have a prang in the first place.

This isn't simply because its an Audi with Quattro - and obviously you don't need an Audi or a BMW to have good roadholding.

But you probably need something better then a Hyundai :eek:

A Skoda Vrs should do the job fine

The driver training is VERY important as you say.

The wider question is - is the solution to train people properly - rather then say - we can only have Hyundais because the trainings not up to scratch - as in not enough people trained up.

sgthighway

I cannot understand how one Car Manufacturer don't make a dedicated RHD Law Enforcement Vehicle for the UK & Republic of Ireland. A proper police spec. Ford supplied the Interceptor to a lot of states in the US for years. If they did they could supply body panels and other parts in bulk. Surely the Gardaí and various UK Police Agencies meet once in a while in one room.

Capri

sgthighway wrote: »

I cannot understand how one Car Manufacturer don't make a dedicated RHD Law Enforcement Vehicle for the UK & Republic of Ireland. A proper police spec. Ford supplied the Interceptor to a lot of states in the US for years. If they did they could supply body panels and other parts in bulk. Surely the Gardaí and various UK Police Agencies meet once in a while in one room.

BOTH GM/Opel(Vauxhall) and Ford make police-spec models for RHD , it just seems to be that only a few make it over here due to ?????? at high level here.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/fleet/special-vehicles/emergency-vehicles.html

http://www.fordpolicecars.co.uk/2010/12/ford-mondeo-mark-4-police-car.html

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Capri wrote: »

BOTH GM/Opel(Vauxhall) and Ford make police-spec models for RHD , it just seems to be that only a few make it over here due to ?????? at high level here.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/fleet/special-vehicles/emergency-vehicles.html

http://www.fordpolicecars.co.uk/2010/12/ford-mondeo-mark-4-police-car.html

Also Volkswagen, Volvo and Skoda.

DAVE1972

re police spec vehichles, back in 1990 when opel in ireland were sponsoring fai and had a good chunk of vehicles in the garda fleet a friend of mine who worked as a mechanic in opel garage in cork told me that opel had made an offer to the dept of justice to supply all cars and part of the deal was that they would have the cars marked and unmarked come in ready to roll on to patrol , if you recall garda cars colour changed from all shades of blue to all white for squad cars in 1992 , this deal never materialised though